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That's what I'm saying...people get all over me LOL because sometimes I take the side of the doctors who want to "pull the plug" but if the doctors are no longer being paid, then....what should happen?

If health care is not a basic human right, then we have no right to demand that doctors and hospitals perform it for free.


Doctors providing this care make plenty of money off patients with "Cadillac" insurance plans. They can afford the prOBono for one baby...two babies...

But Jerry's compassion point trumps all. Compassion is one of those traits the Lord Jesus had which we all seek to emulate. The Great Physician healed many and fed many not asking something in return but in preparation to give His life for all. Some doctors have great compassion others need to exercise it just one time. Governments need to exercise compassion too and realize there is no greater compassion than Jesus Christ.
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Doctors providing this care make plenty of money off patients with "Cadillac" insurance plans. They can afford the prOBono for one baby...two babies...

But Jerry's compassion point trumps all. Compassion is one of those traits the Lord Jesus had which we all seek to emulate. The Great Physician healed many and fed many not asking something in return but in preparation to give His life for all. Some doctors have great compassion others need to exercise it just one time. Governments need to exercise compassion too and realize there is no greater compassion than Jesus Christ.


Dave, I fear that many of us Christians are becoming hard hearted, & lust for material gain has taken over. Traits like common sense and compassion seemed to have passed away.
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Compassion isn't the issue I'm discussing here but that's okay. :-)

And by the way around my area hospitals are closing down OB wings because they had no money to keep them up, because of all the welfare people that the hospital was forced to deliver the babies without pay. So then they closed hospital wings, which made the other hospitals in the area turn overcrowded, which in turn hurts the care of the next moms having kids.

Somebody has to pay for health care. Its NEVER free. Compassion doesn't make money grow on trees.

Anyway nOBody noticed my thought above...when does the soul leave the body? Who decides when someone is dead? You can keep a body "alive" for quite some time...and they do...for organ donors...after they are dead.

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Anyway nOBody noticed my thought above...when does the soul leave the body? Who decides when someone is dead? You can keep a body "alive" for quite some time...and they do...for organ donors...after they are dead.


I would say that once a person is what we would consider brain dead (i.e. there is no activity at all) then that person may very well be what we would consider Biblically dead. I don't know of any Bible verse to back up that claim, but that's merely how I feel about that. It's possible that I may be wrong and if someone can show otherwise from the Word of God then I'll gladly change my stance on the matter.
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I would say that once a person is what we would consider brain dead (i.e. there is no activity at all) then that person may very well be what we would consider Biblically dead. I don't know of any Bible verse to back up that claim, but that's merely how I feel about that. It's possible that I may be wrong and if someone can show otherwise from the Word of God then I'll gladly change my stance on the matter.


As I stated, I know of at least 2 where the doctors said they were brain dead according to their machines, yet they were not. I wonder, how many other they said where brain dead, and they pulled the plug, but they were not? That is if they would have given more time, these would have been up and walking once again.
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Your compassion at the expense of forcing me to pay for it until I have no money to pay my own medical bills for my own family is NOT A SOLUTION!


Exactly....

And here's a scenerio....is it at all possible to wean off the ventilator and pray that God will let the baby begin to breathe on its own?

13 years ago my mom was in a car accident and lived on life support for about 2 weeks. She was alive but highly drugged up and then had several surgeries...and finally died. Anyway after two weeks her medical bills (paid for by insurance, not taxpayers) were $750,000.

Fast forward to today...can you imagine the bill of two months on life support??? Is that really a fundamental human right? No really...is it?
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With all sincerity and compassion I say this, everyone has a story of heartache and disappointment in this earthly life........

Mine is having watched my mother and father trying to keep my terminally ill sister (since birth) alive. My dad worked three jOBs to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. They sacrificed everything to keep her alive. The community held fundraisers to help out. In the end, I watched my sister take her last breath at the age of 16, while she was laying in my father's lap going blind and writhing in pain from her illness as she looked into his face crying she did not want to die. I never once heard my father complain about the sacrifice and I never once heard my father say it was some other person's (or even the government) responsibility to take care of his family's bills, NEVER ONCE. It wasn't fun and it wasn't pretty, but outside the Lord Jesus Christ my father is my example of love in action.

Folks, there are just times when intervening in extraordinary and desperate ways to keep a person alive (outside of God's natural order) is not warranted and is futile. While I do believe it is reasonable for a parent to do everything within their power to keep their child alive, I do not believe that responsibility should be thrust upon others, depriving those others of the means to take care of their own families.

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With all sincerity and compassion I say this, everyone has a story of heartache and disappointment in this earthly life........

Mine is having watched my mother and father trying to keep my terminally ill sister (since birth) alive. My dad worked three jOBs to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. They sacrificed everything to keep her alive. The community held fundraisers to help out. In the end, I watched my sister take her last breath at the age of 16, while she was laying in my father's lap going blind and writhing in pain from her illness as she looked into his face crying she did not want to die. I never once heard my father complain about the sacrifice and I never once heard my father say it was some other person's (or even the government) responsibility to take care of his family's bills, NEVER ONCE. It wasn't fun and it wasn't pretty, but outside the Lord Jesus Christ my father is my example of love in action.

Folks, there are just times when intervening in extraordinary and desperate ways to keep a person alive (outside of God's natural order) is not warranted and is futile. While I do believe it is reasonable for a parent to do everything within their power to keep their child alive, I do not believe that responsibility should be thrust upon others, depriving those others of the means to take care of their own families.


Your right, that responsibility should not be thrust on anyone, But we as children of God ought to freely take it upon our self to help them because of the compassion within our hearts. But we fear we will have to give up to much, money and material possession, of which we cannot carry with us to heaven.
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Jerry, While your piety is exemplary and mine is meager; I must still say I'm not afraid of giving up anything except for the means in which God has given to me to take care of my own family. Please do not include me in the "we" when responding to my quote and saying that "we fear we will have to give up to much, money and material possession....." I've never been afraid to sacrifice to help others, especially those less fortunate. My wife and I have taken into our home countless "down and out" people, former prisoners and others (entertaining angels unawares I believe). We have given materially and of our time to others in various needy ways to the point I may have been negligent in planning for our future (Social Security here we come).

I will never be convinced that it is God's will or way to so completely deplete that which he has given to us in giving to others to the point I then do not take care of my own family.

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Your right, that responsibility should not be thrust on anyone, But we as children of God ought to freely take it upon our self to help them because of the compassion within our hearts. But we fear we will have to give up to much, money and material possession, of which we cannot carry with us to heaven.


This actually doesn't have much to do with the topic...I haven't withheld money from anyone and we are actually quite sacrificial givers as a family...so I don't think my political belief (each man takes care of themselves as far as possible) has anything to do with how generous I am as a person, with my money.
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You're all correct to some degree or another. The topic is of course the shortfall of Government run health care while the tragedy is two parents left to find whatever means they can to save their child from being terminated.

Today's community for support and additional funds is here on the internet. We are that community and how the Holy Spirit would move each one of us to respond is between us and the Holy Spirit.

Those of us who may have experienced similar tragedy will respond one way or another.

1 John 3:17

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The thing that made me the most upset about the article is that they did let her labor too long and should have taken the baby a long time before...I think the hospital did mess up the childbirth....

In the "olden" days though the baby would have died several times by now...which is why I'm like...where do the rights begin and end?

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Whoa, whoa, whoa....new article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584341,00.html?test=latestnews

They are calling BOTH situations "euthenasia"....how is THAT?! How is injecting a person with heroin the same as removing mechanical life support? That's a slam on anyone who's ever had to make the decision to "pull the plug".....

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When you give them an overdoes with intentions of killing them. That is murder, right? That seems to be the case with that article.

"One year later, while out on bail, Inglis successfully administered the heroin overdose and killed her "

But with that said, if someone is terminally ill, or badly injured, and in need of pain medication, if the does needed to control pain happens to kill them, that is not murder, just a side effect of keeping them out of pain.

I've heard of families who had a loved one dying of cancer, and being told we cannot give them any more pain medication, larger dose, for it might make them die.

I firmly believe when one is dying from a terminal disease and or bad injury, we need to try our best to keep the pain under control, if death is a side effect of keeping them comfortable them that risk has to be taken.

I've always thought these 2 things.

1. I would hate to know I'm standing by the death bed of a loved one while they are laying in bed suffering from pain when the doctors has pain medications that can make the more comfortable.

2. It would be terrible to be laying on your death bed with family gathered around you and your suffering from sever pain but yet they will not give your enough to make you comfortable from fear it will kill you.

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I think it would be terrible for your body to be trying to die (if you are saved) and the machines won't let you just go in peace....


I have to err on the side of life, for only God knows the other side of the story, to err on the side of death could very well be murder. Plus the fact, even with modern equipment, doctors don't know everything I've seen doctors make the wrong call.

And I sure would not want the government making such decisions.
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