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Yes, it is possible, it is what is commonly known as "backsliding". What happened was Peter discovered that the Lord was not as important to him as he had thought. He told the Lord before he deni

Judas sure did seem tormented with himself after he faced the truth. I guess that's what will happen to sinners when they face God.

Thomas is listed as being among the apostles present in Acts 1:13. Maybe not, but Matthew 27 definitely took place before Christ ascended back into heaven, and Christ ascended before Pentecost.

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The Bible, especially the book of John, teaches that though he was one of the 12 Apostles, he was never saved.

John 6:64-71 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 13:10-11 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

John 13:21-30 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

He rejected Christ, ended up becoming demon-possessed (literally by Satan himself) - which can never happen to someone who is saved.

Elsewhere, he is referred to as a devil, which means slanderer, accuser. He is also referred to as "the son of perdition" (which is a reference to Hell, and is the same title used for the Antichrist). He was a thief, and was covetous.

All these other things add to the picture - but John 6 quite plainly tells us he never believed in Jesus as the Messiah/Saviour.

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Does anyone have a scripture to support this to the affirmative or negative?


I don't believe he was saved...

Acts 1:16-20
16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
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The Bible, especially the book of John, teaches that though he was one of the 12 Apostles, he was never saved.

John 6:64-71 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 13:10-11 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

John 13:21-30 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

He rejected Christ, ended up becoming demon-possessed (literally by Satan himself) - which can never happen to someone who is saved.

Elsewhere, he is referred to as a devil, which means slanderer, accuser. He is also referred to as "the son of perdition" (which is a reference to Hell, and is the same title used for the Antichrist). He was a thief, and was covetous.

All these other things add to the picture - but John 6 quite plainly tells us he never believed in Jesus as the Messiah/Saviour.


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Judas is called the son of perdition in John 17:12, could someone help me understand these verses in Hebrews 10:38-39 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." And is this what happened to Judas? What does it mean to "draw back"?

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He was called a "devil" - that means "slanderer, accuser." He was not a literal devil; he was a man.


But Jesus didn't say he was a man and He didn't say he was a "slanderer' or "accuser"; He said he was a devil.
A 'devil' is a being.
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But Jesus didn't say he was a man and He didn't say he was a "slanderer' or "accuser"; He said he was a devil.
A 'devil' is a being.


John 13:26 "Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27 And after the sop
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Judas is called the son of perdition in John 17:12, could someone help me understand these verses in Hebrews 10:38-39 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." And is this what happened to Judas? What does it mean to "draw back"?


I was really hoping someone on here, maybe a pastor, might be able to help me with the above question. I thought I maybe should also reaffirm that I am in no way attempting to start an arguement about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I believe that once a person is saved it is permanent, and I can back it up with Scripture. However, I do not understand the above verses. Thanks in advance.
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I was really hoping someone on here, maybe a pastor, might be able to help me with the above question. I thought I maybe should also reaffirm that I am in no way attempting to start an arguement about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I believe that once a person is saved it is permanent, and I can back it up with Scripture. However, I do not understand the above verses. Thanks in advance.


I can most definitely give a sound answer to your post. However, since I'm not a "Pastor"...I won't reply with an answer. ;-)

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I can most definitely give a sound answer to your post. However, since I'm not a "Pastor"...I won't reply with an answer. ;-)

Love,
Madeline


:peek: Um, I did not mean that the way you took it......and your input is most certainly welcome, Madeline.
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I had the same question and the LORD just showed me!! Look at Jerry's POST #2 See what John 6: 61-71 !!! Then read all his post. Do you see it???!!! I had to share!! His by Grace




:peek: Um, I did not mean that the way you took it......and your input is most certainly welcome, Madeline.
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The Word "Draw Back" comes from the Greek Word hupostello (pronounced hoop-os-tel'-lo) meaning literally cower, withdraw, or shun. Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Basically those who withdraw are those who reject the truth of God's Salvation message(The Lost). Perdition here being the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell. Essentially by not choosing heaven, you choose to go to Hell by default.

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I was really hoping someone on here, maybe a pastor, might be able to help me with the above question. I thought I maybe should also reaffirm that I am in no way attempting to start an arguement about whether or not someone can lose their salvation. I believe that once a person is saved it is permanent, and I can back it up with Scripture. However, I do not understand the above verses. Thanks in advance.


That passage is in the same category as Hebrews 6:4-9. Both passages are describing a man that God is calling and that man comes right up to the brink of salvation, understands it, and then choses for some reason to turn and walk away rather than accept it. God then may choose to allow that mans heart to be hardened to the point that he cannot believe and be saved, in which case that man has drawn back "unto perdition". We know that these passages are not speaking of those who have already been saved because of other verses that teach eternal security and because a clear distinction is made in the passages themselves. In Hebrews 10:39 the writer essentially tells them they don't have to worry about verse 38 because they have already believed. Likewise in Hebrews 6:9 the writer says he believes they have been saved and so he does not think the content of Hebrews 6:4-8 applies to them.
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That passage is in the same category as Hebrews 6:4-9. Both passages are describing a man that God is calling and that man comes right up to the brink of salvation, understands it, and then choses for some reason to turn and walk away rather than accept it. God then may choose to allow that mans heart to be hardened to the point that he cannot believe and be saved, in which case that man has drawn back "unto perdition". We know that these passages are not speaking of those who have already been saved because of other verses that teach eternal security and because a clear distinction is made in the passages themselves. In Hebrews 10:39 the writer essentially tells them they don't have to worry about verse 38 because they have already believed. Likewise in Hebrews 6:9 the writer says he believes they have been saved and so he does not think the content of Hebrews 6:4-8 applies to them.


Thank you for replying. Hebrews 10:38-39 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Obviously a Christian cannot lose his/her salvation, but can a Christian "draw back" but NOT unto perdition? Or is that impossible? That is why I asked what it meant to "draw back". I was actually thinking about Peter and his denial of Christ, but I have never really heard anyone explain well what happened with him and his relationship with the Lord at that time. There is a Bible verse that does say if we deny Christ before men that he will deny us before the Father (Matt 10:33), obviously, though Peter was saved. I find this greatly perplexing.
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That's interesting - someone with the unfounded idea that a demon can be demon-possessed! That's a new one!!

Yes, a believer can "draw back" (ie. backslide), but not unto perdition/damnation.

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Thank you for replying. Hebrews 10:38-39 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Obviously a Christian cannot lose his/her salvation, but can a Christian "draw back" but NOT unto perdition? Or is that impossible? That is why I asked what it meant to "draw back". I was actually thinking about Peter and his denial of Christ, but I have never really heard anyone explain well what happened with him and his relationship with the Lord at that time. There is a Bible verse that does say if we deny Christ before men that he will deny us before the Father (Matt 10:33), obviously, though Peter was saved. I find this greatly perplexing.


There are five warnings regarding apostasy in the book of Hebrews and Heb 10:38-39 is just one of them. To understand this passage we have to understand the historical background. This involved Jewish men and women seemingly turning to Christ and coming into the church, but after facing difficulty and persecution or lack of faith, they left the church and returned again to Judaism. So the writer contrasts God's genuine believers ("live by faith") with those that "draw back" (or return to what they previously knew and lived) in whom His soul shall have no pleasure.The same warning is found in Heb. 6:4-9 and Heb. 10:24-29.

"Perdition" speaks of the destruction or condemnation of those "draw back" never to return to the faith. But note that the author of Hebrews, though he gives such a warning, still gives comfort to genuine believers (as he did in Heb 6:9 after the warning was given) when he says "we" (meaning genuine believers) are not of them who draw back UNTO perdition.

Judas' example is slightly different than what we find regarding those in the book of Hebrews who would revert to Judaism. His was a semi-illustration of someone who may have looked like a disciple and followed Jesus (not in faith) for other motives and certainly went to his destruction and perdition.

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