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1 Thes. 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. Romans 12:15-18 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Gal. 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Ephesians 4:31-32 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Romans 14:19, 1 Cor, 10:24, all of 1 Cor. 13, 1 Cor 16:14, Gal. 6:10, Eph. 4:1-6, Col 3:12-15, 1 Thes. 5:11 I'm sure there are many many more such verses. Just wondering... if someone "new" came here today, or yesterday, or last week, or maybe last month... and peeked in on the conversations going on in the forums. What would that person think? Would that person think... "Oh, this looks like a wonderful place for fellowship"? What would the Lord think? He already knows... (Luke 12:2, et al.) 2 Tim 3 lists some attitudes and actions of people in the "last days". We really can expect to see these attitudes/actions in these perilous times, and what little time left to come (prior to God's wrath) from worldly/unsaved people. Lately... and not just here on this forum, but across almost ALL Bible study forums these days I wonder are these people brothers and sisters in Christ? REALLY? Or are these people each respectively claiming to know ALL the word of God has to teach them, and any discussion about ANY given verse (set of verses in context) with a smidgen of a thought which is contrary to their own they cry HERESY!!!! What does the word say about this? 5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. So far, I have not yet heard anyone here say (so far thank the Lord) that Jesus has not come in the flesh!!! Now THAT would be a really good reason to not receive that person, to not allow them into your house, to not wish the God speed (travelling mercies), etc. BUT seems like whatever the topic is here... there is a LOT of name-calling and personal derogatory remarks made towards people who are supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. Just wondering, if a person brings forth a scripture, and each person then discusses their belief/understanding of said scripture, and if all do not agree... why then is there a need for name-calling and derogatory remarks? Does anyone think that name calling and derogatory remarks will change the other person's opinion about their stance on that verse (or set of verses)? Do comments have to be made like this: "So little understanding of scripture", Or another claiming in a condescending tone that only their understanding of the scripture is indeed the correct one? and remarks like "Don't you go stepping on our party yet please. I am curious what the answers are. Then you can get ganged up on" I'm not perfect either... I've got pulled into this tug-of-war more than once with personal attacks on my physical status (but was apologized to by ONE very kind brother in Christ). And I also have snapped right back when name-calling starts. then there are people placed on "ignore", and there is one person here I have yet to see say a kind comment to anyone! We shouldn't be doing these kinds of things... that's what the worldly/unsaved people do! We don't want to model ourselves after them do we???? Why can't this forum be a place to DISCUSS and if we do disagree, do so in a civil, Christian fashion? Would it not be more Christ-like to bring forth (with scripture) reasons why you do not agree (as some I've seen do on here) WITHOUT getting to the name-calling, and/or derogatory remarks? I have come to appreciate the mods stepping in and restoring order to what seems to be a bunch of kindergartners... and I admit that I myself once made a statement to a mod which was WAY out of line! (And I now want to publicly apologize to "Ukelele MiKe" for the comment I made in regard to post-trib/pre-wrath view. I will be honest... when I came here I TRULY thought that ALL Independent Fundamental Baptists were taught the SAME way I had been, had read and studied and come (at least close to) the same conclusions I had. WOW was I wrong! Many others here have admitted they were rudely awakened to the fact that not ALL IFB churches teach the exact same things. I would even hazard to guess that MOST IFB churches have at least ONE teaching contrary to YOUR OWN (each of us individually). And yes, that was a hard thing to deal with right off the batt, but now that I've realized it, I still stay and attempt to fellowship with others, even though everyone else's understanding of scripture is not the exact same as my own. I'm sure this forum COULD be a place where every single person agrees with every single verse in scripture (likely IF there was only ONE member). Why can't verses be discussed in a civil manner by all parties involved? Disagree... fine, but can't we disagree without claiming "I am in fact "right" and you are in fact "wrong"? And the name-calling, trying to associate someone with a person or group with whom they are not affiliated (and in some cases never even HEARD of... I was called a name once and had to look up what/who the reference even was). I don't think ANY hearts and minds will be convinced of anything that way... Let me let you in on a little secret... there are people who come here, and plenty of IFB even, and NEVER post. WHY? Because they fear beig torn to shreds by whom? By supposed Christian brothers and sisters!!! They don't leave here edified, they leave here quickly as possible to try to find another place to fellowship with other brothers/sisters who are a bit more mature in their actions and attitudes, a bit more brotherly/sisterly. Just something to think about. I'm sure it won't matter what I say anyways... as there are some who already deem themselves far superior in knowledge to me and have deemed me _______ (fill in the blank, I could find plenty of names which have already been called here). One last piece of advice... even if you are 100% sure that EVERYTHING you believe and say is true about every verse in the Bible, you sure aren't going to be able to teach anyone your "perfect" belief by calling them names, ridiculing them, and making derogatory remarks to them. Think about it... who is the last person on earth you would want to take advice from? Someone who patiently explains their point of view to you, or someone who calls you names because you don't agree with their point of view?
Hi everyone.. guess you remember me to all those who posted in the thread that I started wayback. Im back! still the same as before... Well, the guy that I've mentioned (still the same guy 2014). Well, here's an update. Our pastor and his wife invited us for a chat. Since they're concerned about me since Im a member of our church, and the guy that I like (he's studying in a bible college taking up masteral, by faith because his savings went to different people who asked for his help that they will borrow his money and return it when they're able to pay him, he sold his small business because it is not God honoring according to him, and he's changing his ways). At present he's unemployed he doesn't want to get a job because he can't manage a full-time job because according to him, he's studying and does part-time/volunteer preaching in our church (sometimes he's invited in neighboring churches). My question is should I wait for him even if I know marriage is not his priority, but he told me if I'll meet his standard of loving God first, then maybe he'll consider me. Plus I need to fix an issue about my family that is important to him. He's not looking for a relationship because he told me his vocation is his priority. If God will give him a partner it must met his standard (a God first woman, and someone who's matured spiritually). I admit I lack those criteria, or have fallen short because I'm just a newly professed Christian I was baptized 4 yrs. ago. At present he knows that I like him, and I am helping him financially, for his studies and for his things in school like gadgets. He also emphasized to me that if ever God will send him a partner the woman must be willing to be a bread-winner because he'll do full time ministry. I can't explain everything here. Anyway, should I kill my feelings for him, (coz' I have sacrificed a lot), also he's staying in my family's house because its near our church and the place of his classmate where he used to stay before is quite far. We are really like brothers and sisters. And I know most of his personal life. vice-versa He has helped me a lot, taught me Christian studies. Should I wait? Continue praying? or simply forget him? (He was in a failed relationship 5 times and the last was a hard blow) So his criteria is really hard.