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Jordan Kurecki posted a topic in IFB Biblical IssuesMany lexicons and dictionaries will say that the word wine in english and oinos in greek. means alcohol. However..Did you know..? in 1869 Thomas Welch a Methodist lay preacher invented a juice pasteurization process to keep juice from fermenting. He sold it as "Dr. Welchs unfermented Wine", also ancient writers Pliny, Plutarch, Horace (Ancient Greek and Roman writers) used the word wine and said that the best wine was "harmless and innocent" and "unadulterated". I think Aristotle even used the word wine to refer to grape juice, also in the Bible in Isaiah 16:10 and a few others places the word wine is used in reference to grape juice.Also just now making this thread I found this fromhttp://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2008/04-10b.html :"It is important to note that the Hebrew word tirosh, "grape juice, unfermented wine," appearing 38 times in the Old Testament (Harris, "tirosh," Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, 2:969), is almost exclusively translated by oinos (36 times). In other words, oinos can and does refer to either unfermented or fermented wine in the Septuagint."I think it's obvious that the word wine can either mean alcoholic or non alcoholic fruit of the vine. This would explain why in some passages in the word of God it seems that wine is spoken of in a good light, that it "cheers the heart of man", and why other passages say not even to look at wine when it is red, and that wine is a mocker.
"The Son of man is come eating and drinking," had absolutely no reference to alcoholic drinks whatsoever. Rather, it was a statement which contrasted the open life style of the Lord Jesus to the secluded life of John the Baptist. Jesus was simply making a statement that, while John the Baptist practiced seclusion when it came to the choice of dining with others, Jesus was not quick to dismiss an invitation to eat at other people's tables. One might argue that Jesus sat at the table with sinners. While Scripture reveals this to be true, it still does not say He drank alcohol. One has to insert into the Scripture what is not there in order to put alcohol in the Lord’s hand. What does the Word of God say? Would Jesus have drank alcohol? If He did, what kind of example would He have been for the lost? Every man that ever became a drunkard started with one drink. If that man were honest with himself and with God, he would admit that that first drink had an effect on him…. It caused him to want more. The more he drank, the more he believed he could handle the alcohol. And The more he thought he was in control, he was not. Instead, the alcohol was controlling him. Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Alcohol has the power to deceive a man. The way it works on the human body is very deceptive. The first organ it attacks is the brain. That is why it is able to deceive. That is why man believes he is in control when, in reality, he is not. Would Jesus have drank alcohol? Absolutely not! Jesus was, is, and always will be, the King of kings. Proverbs 31:4-5 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus Christ is declared to be the Prince of Peace. It is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink. John 12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt. Jesus Christ entered Jerusalem just days before His crucifixion, sitting on an ass’s colt, just as Scripture declared the King of Sion would. It is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink. Those who insist that Jesus drank alcohol are as guilty of the same error as those falsely accusing Him in Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34. It is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink.
Did Jesus Make An Alcoholic Wine? A statement was made in another thread, that, “Jesus made alcohol.” But is that statement true? Could Jesus have made and distributed alcohol? If He did, then He has no right to judge drunkards on Judgment Day. Every drunkard became a drunkard because he had one drink which led to another, which led to another, which subsequently led to several more Why? Because from the first drink, the alcohol began controlling him and he was too weak to resist it. The very first organ of the body that is affected by alcohol is the brain. This is because the alcohol is absorbed, through the stomach lining, into the bloodstream. Once in the bloodstream, the alcohol makes a trip to the brian. There, it destroys brain cells that can never be recovered. Even at a low BAC, (Blood Alcohol Content) the Cerebral Cortex and the Corpus Callosum are affected. The Cerebral Cortex is the region of the brain where one’s thought process and consciousness (awareness) are centered. Even at 0.01 BAC, one’s thoughts and awareness are lessened. (of course, the one who drinks will not readily admit it, for the main reason that his awareness level has lessened. In other words, he doesn’t even realize that the alcohol is affecting him! He thinks he is in control of all his senses when he is not. That’s the deceptive nature of alcohol. It affects the drinker without him realizing that it is affecting him. Then, it is too late. The Corpus Callosum is the region of the brain that governs ones movement and balance. Again, even at 0.01 BAC, the Corpus Callosum is affected. Reaction time is affected. People are not as quick to judge a situation when their Corpus Callosum is affected by alcohol. The greater the amount of alcohol, the closer one gets to “falling down drunk.” Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: John 2:1-5 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. First off, if there had been alcohol at the wedding feast, it is doubtful that Jesus would have attended. The guests had drank so much of the wine supplied by the governor of the feast that they emptied the storeroom of the wine. Scripture says, “And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.” When who wanted wine? Why, Jesus and His Disciples of course. They were invited to the feast, and when they wanted wine, Mary informed Jesus that the wine supply had been exhausted. In another thread, I pointed out the fact that Jesus could not have drank alcohol. Who He was and what He represented prevented His partaking of alcoholic beverage. Yet, in John’s Gospel, we are told that Jesus wanted wine. How do we reconcile this want of wine with Jesus’ nature? By allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture. The wine Jesus wanted was not an alcoholic wine, but rather a non-alcoholic wine. Now, at this point, one might argue that there is no such thing as “non-alcoholic wine.” The Bible refutes such a claim, when it says: Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. The juice of the grape is referred to as “new wine” in the above verse. That is the wine Jesus and His Disciples were wanting. Not an alcoholic wine. And, because the wine supply was exhausted, Jesus created a new batch. A batch of non-alcoholic wine. When a sample of the wine Jesus created was presented to the governor of the feast, he commented that the best wine was brought out after men had well drunk. If the wine at the wedding feast had been alcoholic, Jesus would have been contributing to men’s drunkenness. They had “well drunk.” So much, that there was no more. My Lord would not have made wine for a people who had “well drunk.” He came to seek and save that which is lost, not to help them further down the road to destruction.
Proverbs 31:6-7 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Many today who profess to be Christians will often run to this verse as proof that alcoholic beverages are permissible to those who are downcast or depressed. They will say, “See, the Bible says to give alcohol to one who is of a heavy heart.” But, the truth is, that is not speaking of the saved. Rather, it is speaking of the condemned. Notice the first part of the passage, Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish Is the child of God “ready to perish”? Should the child of God be “ready to perish”? it is my belief that we who are saved should not be “ready to perish”. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. God loved us so much that He wanted us to have eternal life. He sent His Son so that we would not “perish.” So who are the “ready to perish” spoken of in Proverbs 31:6? It is the condemned man. Give the condemned man strong drink, so he can forget his poverty. Did not they offer strong drink on a sponge to our Lord and Saviour while He was dying on that cruel cross? They were practicing exactly what was being spoken to the wise king Lemuel… “Give strong drink to them that are ready to perish”. The strong drink will help to deaden the pain. Our Lord refused the strong drink. Why? Because though His body was dying on the cross, He was not “ready to perish.” He is the Resurrection and the Life. He is the God of the Living, not of the Dead. Today, we have many other medications that take the place of “strong drink” and “wine” readily administered to the dying. They don’t need alcohol. But what of the second part of the verse? and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts This is still in the context of the condemned man. It has nothing to do with Sally-I-Don’t-Get-Any-Respect. It is not speaking of Joe-I-Can’t-Pay-My-Rent. And the next verse proves this. Proverbs 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Let him drink, and forget his poverty This is not speaking of someone who is poor. Give alcohol to the poor? That really doesn’t even make sense. In Proverbs 23:21, we read: Proverbs 23:21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags. Proverbs 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Drunkenness leads to poverty. Why would someone give something that can bites like a serpent and stings like an adder to an impoverished person? Let the unsaved drink their alcohol. It is not for the saved. The saved are not condemned. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus; who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.