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  1. Hi Brother Tony, Pastor Markle's tract looks really good. You might want to consider the simple Gospel tract that I designed also. It can be printed out, cut, and folded. I have attached it in addition to a file which gives printing, cutting, and folding instructions. I only have the tract file in MS Word format at this time. I tried converting it to PDF but it didn't print correctly. If you don't use MS Word, let me know and I'll try converting it again. If you do print it out, I suggest that you print a single copy to start with (just to make sure it prints correctly before you print more).Gospel Tract (2).docx I hope it's a help. Brother Bruce How to print the Gospel tract.pdf
  2. Hi BaptistLady02, I have bought cases of The Defined KJV and given them away. I think they are very helpful for new Christians and for those whose second language is English. There are some negatives: There are errors in them (though not in the actual Bible text that I have found, but in the footnotes). I also have found that there are quite a few cases where difficult to understand words are not defined while easily understood words are. The last time I ordered them the shipping cost was extremely high. Still, a very valuable type of Bible. My main KJV Bible that I use was ordered from Local Church Bible Publishers: Local Church Bible Publishers | A ministry of Parker Memorial Baptist Church They sell their Bibles at their cost because this is a ministry of a local church, rather than a business.- I always give a love offering. I like the wide margin. The center column cross references are almost indispensable to me. I personally avoid Bibles with Scofield reference notes because some of his comments are sympathetic to the Wescott and Hort text (which is the basis for the modern versions which I am convinced are full of errors). In my opinion these notes can cause new believers to doubt the faithfulness of the Bible that they hold in their hand - a very serious problem in my mind. They don't appear to make the one that I bought anymore but the following one is similar: 123E1B RL Mid Size Text Wide Margin Center Column Reference “Red Letter” They have lots of other options including very inexpensive vinyl covered Bibles which I have bought in the past to give to homeless people and others. Hope that helps. Brother Bruce
  3. Donald - thank you for your very important post. Greetings to all in the precious name of Jesus Christ. Over 20 years ago, and during a year’s period of time, I fasted, prayed, and studied about the Bible translation issue. This was the most intense and rewarding “Christian journey” that I have ever engaged in. I desperately needed to be certain that I had a Bible that was perfect and that I could hold in my hands. The attachment is the story that I wrote describing this journey and the settled conclusion that I arrived at. I hope that it is a blessing. Brother Bruce The Trial of God's Word.pdf
  4. Pastor Markle, I think that's a great order for the conversation. Please proceed whenever you wish. Brother Bruce
  5. Pastor Markle, Please proceed however you wish with our conversation. I'll follow your lead. Brother Bruce
  6. Pastor Markle, I absolutely believe, as you do, that the KJV is completely accurate and in no way overrules or erases the Hebrew, Greek, (or Aramaic) texts from which it was translated. I use Strong's Concordance for various purposes but when it comes to determining the meaning of Greek or Hebrew words I tend to rely more heavily on the ways that the KJV renders those words. I also find that old English dictionaries can be helpful at times. I am in complete agreement regarding proceeding with grammatical, contextual, and Biblical precision. I think that we both would like this conversation to be one of "iron sharpening iron" without contention. Thanks much for being willing to continue the conversation. I have prayed that God will bless you. Brother Bruce
  7. Pastor Markle, Thank you for your thoughtful response. If you believe that the KJV is God's Holy, inerrant Word in the English language then we have the same foundation upon which to continue the discussion (if you wish to do so). Disagreement on the KJV would make things a bit more difficult but I'm willing to continue the discussion either way. We could also simply disagree on the matter and not continue the discussion - I'll respect your decision either way. Hi Ukule Hi Ukulelemike, Thanks again for your response. We disagree on the meaning of I Corinthians 7:27 & 28. No offense taken and none intended. I appreciate the manner in which you have disagreed. Since we both firmly believe what we believe on this subject it may not be worthwhile to continue the conversation between us, but if you would like to do so I'm perfectly willing to continue. I will submit to your decision. I have prayed that God would bless you mightily, Brother Bruce
  8. Hi Jordan, Thanks again for responding to my post. I hope that you are doing well. I'd like to address each of the issues associated with the underlined/highlighted portions of the scanned book in the order that they appear in your response: 1. The author appears to believe that all who take the betrothal exception position also believe that marriage and the Jewish betrothal are equally binding. I believe that the exception almost certainly applies to the betrothal period but I do not believe that marriage and Jewish betrothal are equally binding. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who believes that the two are equally binding. So I don’t think that this particular point applies to me or to most people who believe as I do. 2. Over 20 years ago I decided to dedicate myself to the study of the Bible translation issue. I did so diligently and with prayer and fasting, asking God to show me the truth. As part of this study I researched some of the translators. I was amazed at the skill that the King James Version (KJV) translators possessed in languages. Some of them were truly geniuses. They were also men who believed the Bible and believed God’s promises to preserve it throughout each generation. I believe that the modern translators just can’t compare. Also, a study of the history surrounding the KJV translation convinced me that God had his hand upon it in a mighty and miraculous way. Some of the enemies of the KJV have admitted that it is so accurate that it can be used as a lexicon for defining the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic words that it has rendered in English. I came to the conclusion that there simply is nothing to compare with it in the English language and that it contains no errors. This is a belief based upon simple faith in God’s promises and an objective and careful analysis of historic facts. Because of this, I do not question the rendering of Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic words into English within the KJV. This would include the word “husband”. 3. I do believe that it was wrong to break the Jewish betrothal except for fornication. I believe that this is what the Bible teaches. I do not believe that marriage is forbidden after a Jewish betrothal is broken (and I don’t think that I have ever met anyone who believes this). 4. Because I believe that the KJV contains no errors, I believe that the word “wife” is the proper rendering in the following verse: To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. Luke 2:5 If this is the proper rendering, then the word “wife” can refer to a woman who is in a Jewish betrothal process as well as to a woman who is married. Words often have multiple meanings and I believe that this is the case here. I have the impression (and I may be wrong) that the author of this book used the “straw man” method of arguing in at least two instances. To use the straw man method is to falsely claim that the opposing side is basing their belief on certain things that are easily proven to be wrong, demonstrating that they are wrong, and then falsely claiming to have won the argument. I hope that none of my comments sound uncharitable - I do not mean them to be. I am simply stating my beliefs and providing the reasons for them. You might agree or disagree. Regardless, I have prayed that God would bless you mightily. Brother Bruce
  9. Hi Ukulelemike, I am in complete agreement with you that it is against God’s will for believers to marry unbelievers (the Bible clearly says so). I do believe that there are times when God will allow a commitment that is against his will to stand once it has been made. It seems to me that an example of this is the unlawful commitment that Joshua made to the inhabitants of Gibeon (Joshua 9). It appears to me that some blessings resulted from this since God’s people got a lot of free labor J and the Gibeonites were exposed to the Gospel (as seen through the symbolism of the sacrificial system). On the other hand, there are examples of where God requires that people disavow a commitment that is against his will, as was the case with the Jews who had married strange wives (Ezra 10). If I am wrong about the situation with Joshua (and I can certainly be wrong at times – just ask my wife J), I still believe that the following passage describes God’s will under the circumstances that you have presented: But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? - I Corinthians 7:12-16 Since this instruction applies to “any brother” and “the woman” (which I believe is a general term meant to apply to any woman) I believe that this instruction is inclusive (not pertaining exclusively to those who are saved after having married an unsaved person but also pertaining to those who married in disobedience to God’s commandments regarding unequal yokes). I believe that the word “bondage” in this passage has a distinctly different meaning than the meaning that you understand it to have and that this has caused us to draw opposing conclusions regarding whether or not God allows divorce and remarriage under the circumstances described in this passage. I invite you to read the attachment which explains my understanding of this word in this context. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, I have prayed that God would bless you mightily. Brother Bruce I Cor 7 - Bondage.pdf
  10. Hi Wretched, Thanks for the clarification. I would still like to respond to your comments. I'll begin with the question of whether or not divorce and remarriage is "unforgiveable": I do not believe (and never have believed) that divorce and remarriage is an unforgiveable sin. I do believe that it is a sin (the sin of adultery) and I believe that God requires us to repent of sin in order to receive his forgiveness. I don't believe that this sin is an exception. I believe that repentance is a change of heart and mind regarding sin and that it results in a turning away from sin rather than a continuing in it. The following verse states that this sin of adultery persists as long as the husband of the wife who has remarried is living. “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” -Romans 7:3 I am confident that the same principle would apply if the husband were the one who had remarried. We know that verse 3 is used by the Holy Spirit to help us understand the “marriage relationship" between the believer and Christ. Some claim that we are not free to literally apply the statement in verse 3 to earthly marriages because it is only an example, not the subject of the passage. I do not believe that God would use a faulty earthly example to help us understand a faultless spiritual truth. To summarize my position on this particular portion of the divorce and remarriage issue, I would say that I believe that the Bible clearly teaches that: Divorce and remarriage is adultery Adultery is sin Forgiveness requires repentance Repentance results in a forsaking of sin Continuance in a lifestyle of sin does not result in forgiveness "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" - Romans 6:1-2
  11. Hi Ukulelemike, Thanks for responding to my post. I don't have time to respond to your comments in the detail that they deserve right now but plan to do so soon. BTW, I don't believe (and never have believed) that divorce and remarriage is an unforgiveable sin. I do believe that repentance is required and I can explain what I believe repentance would entail for this sin. Take care and may God bless you mightily. Brother Bruce
  12. Hi Jordan, Thanks for responding to my post. I don't have time to respond to your comments right now, but hope to be able to do so soon. Take care, Bruce
  13. Hi Ukulelemike, Thanks much for the suggestion. Being new to this site, I thought that Pastor Markle had made this suggestion so I responded to him (I'm still learning). Please see my response to Pastor Markle.
  14. Dear Wretched (BTW, I like your walrus icon), Thank you for responding to my post. I appreciate your Christian courtesy. First of all: I am in complete agreement with you regarding the fact that God did divorce Israel. I believe that the following verse states this clearly: “And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.” - Jeremiah 3:8 I also believe that the following verse (which occurs after God stated that he had divorced Israel) is just as clear regarding the state of the marriage after divorce: “Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:” - Jeremiah 3:14 God does not say that he “was” married to Israel, but that he “is” married to Israel (after the divorce - that the marriage was still in force after the divorce). The 3rd chapter of Jeremiah is one of the many passages in the Bible that, about 40 years ago, caused me to change from believing that God authorizes divorce and remarriage under certain circumstances to believing that he doesn’t. Secondarily: I honestly do not understand your point regarding your following statement : “Pastor qualifications are all written in the ‘present’ tense and not in the past tense.” I hope that I do not sound contentious (that is not my heart). I am simply asking for clarification regarding how you believe this is related to the topic in at hand so that I can respond accordingly. I have no other agenda other than standing for God’s truth regarding this topic. It is settled in my heart and mind. There is no earthly advantage to me in taking this stand. It has cost me dearly. If you are saved and have not studied this topic as I have (with an open mind, willing to live by whatever God reveals to you in his word regardless of cost, diligent study, and earnest prayer and fasting) I would encourage you to do so. May God bless you mightily, Brother Bruce I plan to order the book. Thanks Jordan. Pastor Markle, My mistake regarding who recommended the church. Forgive me, I'm still getting used to this site. Your suggestions regarding how to respond to those who respond to me is excellent. I have applied them. Thank you very much.
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