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On 6/11/2021 at 11:22 PM, John Young said:

If you make it to heaven then you were Baptist even if you didn't realize it.

Yes I said it! lol 

I wholeheartedly disagree. Boo

How can one “tolerate” Marxist ideologies that creep in? I’m sorry, I really don’t even understand the SBC. Can some one tell me how the structure of the SBC is any different from Presbyterians or the Catholic Church? What’s the point of the president? How does he —unify— the different churches?

I think this was very lovely put. Ticks and parasites likened to our sin and vanities, the green pasture akin to the Kingdom of God.

Very nice Heartstrings, thank you 

I think you two where actually agreeing with one another...

I think we can think of a God, point to a God, love a God. But not listen to God, obey God or know God.

if that makes sense it’s kinda how I view this

On 5/30/2021 at 5:07 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

Why would God create a being knowing that being would fall away from him?

Is is a very atheist minded Question. 

Redemption brings glory to him, and allows us to come to him and respect his glory from our own will.

58 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

That is not what Genesis says. I was sure someone would say what you stated, but it doesn't hold. If God had been the light why, in verse 3, would he have to create light?

Because light isn’t God. 

5 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I do not have time to go into this in detail ... maybe later when I am not so busy. But the use of light in the first verses of Genesis seem illogical and impossible if taken literally. For instance, what was the light before the sun and stars were created ... and yet in verse 3? How darkness and light mixed requiring separation? Just  musing here.

The light shined from God him self... This is an image of Christ’s power 

I take posts like these with a credence of salt. The other post of theirs is of a similar nature

Seems like you have a lot of resentment in your heart, bitterness is bad for you... I say this with sincerity as a church goer.

2 hours ago, SureWord said:

The 144,000 are those who are sealed. There will be other Jews who get saved. If it were only the 144,000 there would be no women Jewish women or children saved.

"All Israel shall be saved," is the remnant. The true "Israel of God". 

That makes sense. I am wrong! 
 ( but I do still not think ALL Jews at this time will be saved ) 

1 hour ago, Ukulelemike said:

1: I never said the church has taken the place of Israel-they remain in their place.

2: never said all Jews will be saved, however, more than the 144,000 will be saved. After all, who do you think they are witnessing to? As well, the events of Zechariah tell a different story, in that Jesus will return bodily to Jerusalem and those alive in the city will believe and be saved. 

 

I know you weren’t. The 144,000 are witnessing the Lord to the world, how ever only 144,000 of the Jews will be believers. I believe the others will die away as unbelievers before Jesus returns to Jerusalem.

( also where does it say ALL of Israel will be believers ? Not all of Israel is even Jewish at this time) 

Jim if you interpret that text that way then you must include the Jews that denied Christ and his resurrection. 
 

On 4/27/2021 at 9:52 AM, Ukulelemike said:

Well, Zechariah seems to say that Israel, in general, will be saved when they actually witness Christ return at the end of the falling of God's wrath: those Jews who were born again prior to that will be part of the church, these will, it seems, enter into the kingdom of Christ in the flesh. Jesus referred to them as the virgins awaiting the bridegroom, but not as the bride, itself. I admit that it is somewhat confusing to me exactly what position they will hold-I don't believe the church has taken their place, but of course, I also am not sure that the church is actually the bride, as it is the New Jerusalem we see ascending from heaven adorned as a bride for her Husband. 

The Church does not take the place of Israel, covenant theology is heresy. Not all Jews will be saved either, only 144,000 during the tribulation 

I think you guys are being sensational. The whole world is moving in this direction. This is not just “America being delivered” this is the foreshadowing of what is to come, this is the preparation for the anti christ. I know that sounds ironic in that manner of “sensational”

56 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Yes, I think America may be at the place now where we need judgement. 

Well... it was more inline with the idea that “revival” is us trying to build our selves to God instead of being in prayer and listening to what God wants. 
Building to God vs Built by God

11 hours ago, Doc Flay said:

2 Chr.7:14, has been a study of mine since the early part of the last decade. I used it once as a response to a post on revival. I believe it could be used as a banner for revival in America.

I recently heard a sermon that revival is not what we need.

God bless brother. You are a hearty reminder that a name of a church can only go far.

I appreciate your words very much

Sorry Jeff, but yes is not sufficient enough of an answer.

Mansions seem to mean an “abiding place” but the exact context in the OP does not seem to be wholly accurate.

Can you provide evidence? 

2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Yes, I do have that belief; but coupled with it is the fact that in 1Thess. when He comes for us, He in fact "comes". That, to me, is a part of His "coming".

I see. Thank you for your response.

In revelation we see John called up in spirit. Revelation chapter 4 Verse 1-2. With this, what do you say? 
Also, isn’t the second coming specific to the idea of him setting up his kingdom? 
In your view, your leave no room for a 7 year tribulation. And that puzzles me, for that is a requirement in the prophecy to Daniel.
 

Jim, I appreciate your thoughts. I love this subject and very fond of hearing peoples views even if they differ from my own.

Brother Jim, does your belief not have the idea that Christ would lead us into heaven? And thus he entering back into this spiritual realm? 

Welcome brother Tony! Curious, I have recently been informed about these cowboy churches. Can you lay a little more into what they are?

also it is very interesting you left the ifb for the sbc as that seems to be different from the current norm. May you also extrapolate upon this transition for you and your family? 
 

My church is doing a week long revival with the topic of “prophecy”.  We have Brother Woodcock ( maybe some of you may know him) leading. We are premillennial pre tribulation church. 
 

With that being said, even while being hand held through this topic it is a difficult subject to grasp. So far my understanding is that rapture is the taking away in the air, and is at separate and before the the second coming.

I once was indoctrinated by Steven Anderson, and understood it horrible wrong. But it seems his ideas are no stranger from the history of the church, and it is actually an error that sprouts up like a weed through the church age. 
 

keeping tabs on this thread for further edification.

2 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

What about the moral aspect of mankind? How did morality develop in Darwin's theory of natural selection?

Since you asked. - the claim is in order for functionality of a society a moral code must of been developed, trades, marriage, laws etc.

But look at natives of the americas, they had society with laws, but their morals were way off center.

The general consensus ( that I know ) is that it was orally past down until Moses wrote it. But maybe the entire book was orally created by Noah or anyone else. I don't know of any actual evidence of Moses writting it how ever.