Hugh_Flower

Good topic. I never knew about that heresy, I do know Christians are judged and can earn crowns to lay at Christ’s feet.

Are these related? 

I’m just assuming there where more arrows, and God wanted him to smite the ground as many times as there where arrows at hand. Seems like another passage at about how men fail to fully commit to the word of God, and our willingness to trust him.

I think this is a great question, I am really interested to hear what a more thought out answer has to say

With Constantine the great

1 hour ago, Jerry said:

Twisting the Bible and taking things out of context is not getting your beliefs from the Bible - even if someone wants to call it that.

No one hear would argue that

Lots of people ‘get it from the Bible’, however wrong the interpretation of Genesis may be. Most people don’t read the Bible literally. 

58 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Actually, evil doers come out any time they wish. But, they're more active on Halloween!

I thought you weren’t voicing your opinions on the topic.

13 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

This thread isn't about mine....it's about other people's.  

Isn’t it a conversation? And if I’m asking you and you deny me, a brother yet I fulfilled your need, doesn’t that make our relationship unequal? 
I feel like I am not be treated equal. Sorry brother but I don’t think this is what fellowship and charity is about. 

Just now, BrotherTony said:

My own is irrelevant. I'm seeking others OPINIONS. Thanks.

I’m seeking yours.

People should of never trusted the government with their Children in the first place - The public school system is Government Education.

It’s hard to justify it before God - as in to declare it in his name. It’s a very pagan holiday but so is Easter and Christmas however those two holidays are easily declared and justified in the Lords name.

I cannot do so with Halloween. It’s a fun day for children but for an adult believer I can not comprehend their joy for Halloween. 
Yeah I hear of Christians giving tracks out on Halloween but I wouldn’t say those are they who are celebrating Halloween just using it to help spread the gospel. 
 

If this is your thread and your wondering about others beliefs, it is only fair you share your own.

We support about 20 and we are a sending church of one

3.26 and that’s a “cheap”gas station.

Shell or what ever is hovering 340

13 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Are they? I don't see them being run by the UN. They seem to be doing fine on their own.

Sorry I meant the City of Jerusalem

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Jerusalem

Another cool thing about the revelation of 1948, is that the Bible said the Jews would not rule yet - not until their Messiah rules. And look they are currently ran by the UN

2 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Actually, the primary definition and context is that he be a man/husband who is Biblically and relationally committed and devoted to only one woman/wife, which encompasses BOTH the polygamy issue and the divorce/remarriage issue, as well as wife abuse or neglect issues (dealing treacherously with her as per Malachi 2:13-14).  Indeed, the Biblical elder/overseer (bishop) "MUST be BLAMELESS," especially in his marriage relationship with his wife (considering that in both of the qualification passages of 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1, the responsibility of his marriage relationship follows immediately after the necessity to be "blameless").  As such, the qualification to be "the husband of one wife" (to be "a one woman/wife man/husband") would encompass ALL of the Biblical truth concerning a godly marriage relationship.  (Note: I would contend that viewing the phrase, "the husband of one wife," only as being contrary to divorce/remarriage is a narrowing of the Biblical intention for the qualification.)

Yup. I agree, the main statement is about polygamy and the rest requires further study.

3 hours ago, Jerry said:

Some OT believers had more than one wife - and we see the fallout and problems that caused. However, preachers are something found in the New Testament - and it is the New Testament that teaches clearly the Biblical example (especially for those in church leadership) is to be the husband of one wife. Of course, the primary context is referring to not being divorced and remarried, YET it would certainly cover not having more than one wife at a time too.

Also, for the sake of clarification, there were no OT prophets that were preaching the Word of God that ever had more than one wife (yes, David, Solomon, and Jacob all had more than one wife - but we are not given the Book of Jacob). I am not sure how David's and Solomon's writings fit what you are asking about; however, today, we have further revelation and instruction - especially when it comes to Christian conduct and the leadership and examples in the church.

The primary context is having one wife, not the divorce/remarriage.

Sometimes 3 times a week, sometimes 1 sometimes none. All depends

2 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Spiritualizing a text means that it has a hidden meaning. This meaning is usually explained in figurative terms, not literal. It may have a literal meaning in the long run, but the spiritualization of the text IS using a figurative approach. So, in that context, yes, things can be both spiritualized but literal as well. But, the terminology being used to describe what is literal IS NOT literal, it's been spiritualized, or in other words, it has been put in figurative/metaphorical terms.

So we agree, things can be literal and spiritual, and that being figurative doesn’t impact the literal translation. 

Is Heaven not literal because it’s a spiritual place? 

Spiritual - Things pertaining to the spirit 

Figurative - Things not literal; metaphorical. 

All things spiritual are literal. 

Now we can be figurative about the spiritual things - IE We can say Our Country is Sodom and Gomorrah, it’s not literal, but it is figurative of spiritual likeness. It’s not literal unless God says it is.

5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Please, Hugh, explain how it will be both literal and spiritualized. If it is, it's not something that occurs very often in scripture. 

What do you mean? Spiritual doesn’t mean figurative. I don’t figuratively have the Holy Spirit in me, I literally do. I am spiritually born again, yet I am literally born again in the spirit. In Gods eyes I’m a new man, with a new spirit but I am still the same person. 

Just because it’s spiritual doesn’t mean it’s not literal. The bellow passage is pretty obviously a spiritual context, yet it is literal, see. For this woman is clothed with the sun that is black as a sackcloth of hair. 

Rev 12:1  And there appeared

a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Sureword I would like to 

1 hour ago, SureWord said:

All the size and distances of the stars are pure assumptions by scientists. They predetermine the sizes, densities, distances etc ahead of time then rig the math to fit their theories. Just as they do with evolution and geology.

Though it's true that angels are typified by stars, in the context of this passage it refers to celestrial bodies. And the fact that the passage refers to the sun and moon then it is only logical that stars are the stars we see when we look up into the night sky.

We have been indoctrinated from birth with a lot more lies than we can ever imagine.

Has anyone ever seen close up images of stars? If you can find an actually picture (since the vast majority are fake being either animations and "artist renderings") they do not resemble the sun. They have a more electrical and translucent appearance like a jelly fish or bacteria.

Psalm 148

[3] Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

[4] Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

 

Did you compare Rev 12:4 and 12:9?

Rev 12:4  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
 

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

It's possible you are right...it's also possible that it's a typeology of the crocodile. It's not listening to man, and it IS comparing scripture with scripture. It doesn't make it any less descriptive of something or someone else. Look, we don't have to agree on everything that is written unless it is TOTALLY clear and it's DOCTRINAL. It doesn't make us any less brother in Christ. It doesn't make us enemies...so we'll have to agree to disagree on what it is. 

Sure I do agree with you on that we are 100% Brothers in Christ, and that small differences shouldn’t grieve the opportunity of fellowship.

I come off as hard, I do apologize in that.

What typology breathes fire? 

8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Many believe that this leviathin is akin to the crocodile...an extinct kin to the crocodile. I'm not so sure it is extinct. But, over the years many things have been referred to as a dragon. Did you read the whole passage in context, Hugh? I mean, it actually goes back into the chapter before Job 41....

I mean you can listen to others or you can compare scripture to scripture.

Personally, I’ve never heard of a fire breathing crocodile. And If I did, I think it being fire breathing probably makes it a dragon, and it’s scales being impenetrable. Weird How it’s called the serpent, and that’s also another name for Satan, and that Christ him self comes to kill it.

And Yes I have read Job.

 Honestly this is where my argument lands and it’s either we believe what the Bible says, or we believe what we want to believe. 

Just now, BrotherTony said:

I have witnessed to many, and have had several members of my family and my wifes family that are/were members. After they got saved...TRULY saved...they left freemasonry! Christ makes the difference.

That’s amazing. They are honestly looking for the truth, but I feel they never get the opportunity to really “look” at it.