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  1. 27 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

    It could mean that there are times when it's prudent to scale back in what we're doing for the sake of what we are trying to accomplish. It's not a sin to scale back to have enough resources for a future point in time. 

    That’s something that as a young man it’s not normally a forethought… Thank you

  2. 44 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

    The OP refers to John 11:54. There's a specificity in the question, I believe, and in the verse as well from what I read. Isn't anything from the Word of God significant, especially if there's reference to what Christ did and why he did it? The KJV just says that Christ didn't walk anymore OPENLY among them...Don't know if that specifically means he stopped his public ministry, but it would seem so.

    Yes obviously… But why is this significant, and what does it mean for a devotional application 

  3. Because the second advent 

    55 minutes ago, Jerry said:

    Then why doesn't it say when that which is perfect comes again?

    Also, perfect in the Bible does not mean sinless, it means complete or mature spiritually (when referring to a person). Jesus was already complete when He came the first time, except for the matter of learning obedience through suffering - but He did learn that (ie. was completed already in that manner according to Hebrews) before He died, arose, and ascended to Heaven. Though the Word of God is already completed/perfected with the writing of the book of Revelation (and passages within the Bible itself refer to the Word as already perfect - the law of the Lord is perfect, the perfect law of liberty, etc.).

    I don’t know about you but I don’t know everything perfectly yet, but at the second advent we return in our perfect bodies. 
    Christ on his first coming was still in fallen flesh, he was not in a perfect body yet either, this is why he was still tempted by sin.

  4. 2 hours ago, Jerry said:

    I was referring to 1 Corinthians 13, not every use in the Bible. Also, 1 John indicates clearly who is in view. The argument with 1 Corinthians 13 is that that passage does not.

    So where are you going in your disagreement? You think God is still giving sign gifts to the churches today - you think that there are actually churches today that are obeying the instructions in 1 Corinthians 12-14 on the use of signs gifts? There are none I have ever seen - though I have seen churches where the commands given in 1 Corinthians 14 is applied to foreign language speakers and singers.

    Nope, just showing that Jesus is referenced in the Non-masculine Neutral. 
    I believe it’s in reference to the second advent. 

  5. On 3/11/2022 at 6:38 PM, Jerry said:

    Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but the word perfect here is neuter - if it was referring to Jesus (ie. a person), it would be masculine.

    Also, Jesus was already complete when He was on earth the first time. The only thing that was not complete until He experienced it was suffering for our sins:

    Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

    Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    But by the time any of the NT was written, that was already past - this is still referring to something future (ie. after the time of the writing of the NT church epistles).

    I am not sure where you are going with the rest of your post above, unless you are stating it is when Jesus returns (well, rapture as He is dealing with the church in that verse) that we are made like Him - which makes sense, as we will get our resurrected bodies then.

    1 John 1:1-2 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it

     

    this passage seems to disagree with your first thought, as Jesus in this passage is referenced as “which”. 
     

     

  6.  I do believe Roman’s 13:12 is saying it’s still night. It’s at hand as in the Day is soon coming ( Jesus is coming soon, morning or night or noon
    Many will meet their doom, trumpets will sound
    All of the dead shall rise, righteous meet in the skies
    Going where no one dies, heavenward bound)  , thief in the night is a reference to that exact idea, Jesus is the thief stealing us in the night from who? Satan! 
    2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night
     

     

    and the second Part is reference that this day is much longer than a day, but extends all the way to end of his millennial reign till the Great White Judgement throne

     

    in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 

    What do you think of that Jerry? 

  7. 4 hours ago, Jerry said:

     

    1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    It could be referring to the individual days we each stand before Christ, but it specifically says "the day", which seems to refer to the Day of the Lord. This is anytime during the Tribulation or Millennium - but from other passages obviously before Jesus comes back with His bride in Revelation 19. If this is referring to the Day of the Lord, it also refutes the idea that we each appear individually at the Judgement Seat when we die.

    Tribulation time can’t be the ‘day’, because it’s still ‘night’ ( On Earth ). It becomes the day when Christ touches back down on earth. 
     

  8. 1 hour ago, 1Timothy115 said:

    Let's take first things first. "When does the Christian’s judgement occur with respect to our appearance in Christ’s presence?" It isn't meant to be vague. I'm searching for an answer for when, the Christian's judgement spoken of in 2 Cor. 5:10, will occur since, "to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord" as in 2 Cor. 5:8 (which possibly could be the answer to my second question. Could you elaborate on your answer above, "right before the Lambs and Church’s marriage.."?

    In Heaven we have the judgement seat of Christ before we have the marriage supper with the Lamb ( Christ and the Church ). 
     

    events; Church Age -> Rapture -> Judgement Seat->Marriage supper -> Second Advent with Christ -> Millennial Reign

    On my way to work but when I get a moment I will use scripture to show this sequence 

     

  9. First question seems vague, but I believe you can conclusively point to right before the  Lambs and Church’s marriage..

     

    second question I can only say by speculation, as soul and spirit. How ever what about the Old saints before Christ, those that were not promised our seal? No idea! 
     

  10. Sir, he is gathering the tribe of Israel from the 4 corners of the earth.

    4 hours ago, Richg said:

    I'm going to leave it alone, maybe in the future you will come to the truth, if you can't read mark 13:24 thru 27 and see that this is the rapture then I cant help you, & if Mark 13 is the rapture so is Rev. ch. 6:12, they say the same thing about the stars falling & the moon turning to blood, it could not be clearer !

    Rev 6:13 the next verse is again referencing the tribe. 

  11. On 1/11/2022 at 9:19 PM, SureWord said:

    That is what missionaries are for.

    If your rely on one group of people to take care of the entirety of the gospel then you lack the sight in Gods Will. The early church in Rome had pagan barbarians saved ( who were migrating ) just as the Romans and Jews who were already there. 

    The will of the Lord is not constrained to man and his petty borders and their decaying kingdoms. 

    1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

    Can we finally get these immigrates out of these cages? Or with democratic president they are not called cages anymore?

    They are called Service Cells, powered by Tesla and delivered by Amazon.

  12. 1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

    According to the Bible,if truly saved individuals in each country were doing what they were supposed to do, these people would be hearing the Gospel whether they were here or in their own country. I feel a pity for them and the problems in their own country, but, I also feel that we have to protect the laws that are there to honestly protect our people and our country. If they violate the law by entering illegally, they need to be sent back and try to come the legal way. They'd spend about the same amount of money as they would paying the coyotes.

    I agree, but it is what it is, and I hope this can be an opportunity for the gospel. 

  13. I Hope these illegal immigrants have a better chance of hearing the gospel here. 
     

    Also, it’s not a God given right that we live in the same America that our forefathers lived in. I don’t support law breaking but I also want all people to be saved, and to be frank these people are leaving a country that is still ruled by Rome more than ours, and they are leaving to a place that is still more accessible to the Gospel. 
     

    Even if our country becomes full socialist and communist, the gospel will still be spread.

  14. 5 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    This sounds very much like what the JW's teach about what they call "new light". In their case, they use it to teach that the false doctrines they hold can change to other false doctrines because of new light.

    Consequently, when some doctrine they have held to for years is exposed for the error that it is, they come up with new light.

    Yeah, that’s why I said careful. I mean something exact but I can’t quite nail it , in my writing as of the moment. ( I am severely dyslexic and I do apologize. )

  15. 6 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

    Has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, Hugh...But, yes, I do know the "good news." ?

     

    2 hours ago, Razor said:

    Rather off the topic of pipelines. 

    My commentary to this news is another Eye roll. Commentary is commentary. 

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