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  1. The Holy Spirit doesn’t glorify himself… that is why.



    Joh 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    Joh 16:14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Joh 16:15  All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you

  2. I understand what this man is saying - he is simply ( in a not so simple way ) that the Church that was in Rome became apostate, and after many years it became the Catholic Church as we know it today. 
    I have no problem following his comprehension.  
    There are many words for little said, but still he isn’t wrong, the Catholic Church didn’t start in a vacuum. 

  3. 8 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

    According to the Bible, though physically alive, ALL of our being was dead in trespasses and sin. Our body is dead in the fact that we are dying a little more each day, which, if Adam had not fallen in the Garden, we would not be experiencing now. 

    Yes 😇

  4. 1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

    Care to explain that theologically? When you were born, you were body, soul, and spirit...None of those died when you became a Christian, if you became a Christian. You received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as the comforter/teacher/helper to guide you through your Christian life. 

    I would HOPE that you would be a bit more theologically sound if you're a member of a Baptist church. Glad to know it's NOT your belief. 

    My spirit was dead before I was born again 

  5. 18 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    This verse has nothing to do with baptism at all. I am afraid that you are so confused by what you believe or have been taught that neither you, or anyone replying to you, can reply without confusion.

    Israel does not become The Kingdom of God, as you indicated above. You waffle hopefully between water baptism and what you call national baptism, of which there is no such thing.

    This thread has become hopelessly mired down in confusion.How about we try this: Does a person have to be baptized to be saved? A simple yes or no will suffice, no more confusion.

    I was talking about the Kingdom of Heaven not the Kingdom of God.

    no. Of course not. 

  6. 1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

    Can you provide proof tht that was when it changed? Jesus told the disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel and to baptize in the name of the father, son and the Holy Ghost! Something's not right with your statement.

    Acts 10:45 shows they didn’t have the complete understanding of baptism at this time. 

  7. 50 minutes ago, Jerry said:

    Water baptism was never part of salvation - before or after the cross. It was the first step of obedience after salvation, a testimony of their salvation, or as John the Baptist stated, the fruits of repentance. In a culture where you were ostracized by the Pharisees and other religious leaders for standing for the truth (agreeing with the OT prophets, siding with John and Jesus), it was a public testimony of what they believed and where they stood.

    To restate, baptism has never played a part in someone becoming saved in any way, shape or form. It was the first step of obedience after salvation, the testimony of their faith in the Messiah, and as Paul later stated it was an identification with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; it pictured death to the old life and resurrection to new life.

    Yeah man, we aren’t disagreeing with what you have stated here.

  8. 2 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

    That is PRE-CRUCIFIXION! It has nothing to do with salvation after Christ was crucified, buried, and risen...and I think it's pretty clear when the Bible says there is no salvation through any other, and Christ says "no man cometh to the father but by me." Baptism doesn't have anything to do with it Johns baptism was a precursor, a forerunner to what the apostles preached.

    Yes, and I’m saying in the early acts the only baptism they knew of was John’s, not until Paul was saved did the understanding of baptism change.

  9. I’m not saying they need to be baptized to be saved, where have I said that. 
    Where I said “saved as a nation” I’m talking about the literal nation of Israel becoming the Kingdom of Heaven. Not eternal life. As in, the repentance of the nation.

  10. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Mat 3:4  And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

    Mat 3:5  Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

    Mat 3:6  And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

    Mat 4:17  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

  11. 1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    So then, by saying that "The Nation of Israel didn’t crucify Jesus Christ and reject him yet", are you then saying that after this happened people had to be baptized to be saved?

    Saved as a nation, for the Kingdom of Heaven. I am not talking about being born again as Christians, as salvation to heaven.

  12. On 10/1/2021 at 8:05 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

    And what of a situation like we find with Abraham? Romans 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    He was not baptized, so, by your reasoning he must not have been saved.

    The Nation of Israel didn’t crucify Jesus Christ and reject him yet 

  13. 3 hours ago, SureWord said:

    I believe water baptism saves? 

    You are a lying, deluded, idiot. 

    Go back to writing your poems nobody cares about.

    You need to discern what he was trying to say. He wasn’t accusing you.


    I don’t understand your outburst


    edit: maybe he was, which is unfortunate 

  14. 26 minutes ago, Danny Carlton said:

    Odd that you say it can be defined in many different ways, then proceed to give a definitive definition. I would say that to claim any particular believe is real Calvinism, you'd need to show where in Calvin's Institutes it teaches exactly that. 

    It sounds like you are basing your definition of Calvinism on one or two people, who may or may not actually be true Calvinists. Again, Calvin's Institutes would be the source to go to to find what is or isn't Calvinism, not what some guy said who claimed to be a Calvinist.

    I did not define Calvinism, the entire TULIP does it for me, Now separating John Calvin and his theology and Calvinism is another topic.

    I don’t care to argue semantics - which is what Calvinism does.

  15. Calvinism can be defined in a myriad of ways. The easiest point of contention is the idea that we have no role in our salvation. They say no man can come to God even if prompted by another, a Christian Holy Spirit filled Gospel breathing individual. 

    This dichotomy that they present is actually an older heresy of Dualism, they deny that the exterior ( of our Soul, and Body ) can be used by the LORD to present himself. They suggest that only when the LORD is dwelling within the individual is then the LORD working the individuals salvation. - and there in lies the issue, they deny the existence of the Holy Spirit outside ones Body.

    This is a form of dualism that is covered by re-definition of Biblical language. This doctrine ties into the doctrine of how they define the Sovereignty of the LORD. Which, is not a word ever found in scripture so they have more liberty to define, as it is not a word scripture bound. 



  16. 41 minutes ago, SureWord said:

    No. They have some Christians not only losing crowns but burning in the Lake of Fire during the 1,000 year kingdom. 

    I know some General Association of Regular Baptists teach this. At least ones I've heard preach. I was baptized in a GARB church. 


    I see. I was thinking people where twisting the ‘Crown of Life’ into meaning Salvation. 

  17. I’m just assuming there where more arrows, and God wanted him to smite the ground as many times as there where arrows at hand. Seems like another passage at about how men fail to fully commit to the word of God, and our willingness to trust him.

    I think this is a great question, I am really interested to hear what a more thought out answer has to say

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