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    OlBrotherDC got a reaction from SureWord in Salvation Before Christ?   
    I agree with what you said, that they were sort of put on hold until they heard the Gospel of the Grace of God from Jesus after he was crucified. The dead O.T. Saints could not have went to heaven yet, (John 3:13). Is 1 Peter 4:6 what your talking about? if so the I agree. 
    The whole point that I was trying get to, was, yes OT saints were saved by faith, but the object of their faith had not been fully revealed to them, since the Gospel of the Grace of God did not come until Paul. And OT saints in some sense had to combine works to show their faith, they had to believe God, but also “do his commandments” more so than we do now, under the dispensation of Grace, where it is strictly faith that saves a man. 
    I think I am trying to say the same thing you are. I appreciate your help! 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to SureWord in Salvation Before Christ?   
    According to Romans 3:25 those in the past were saved by the blood of Christ (even though at the time they didn't realize it, that was the mystery of the gospel) but their salvation wasn't completed until Christ actually made the way to heaven clear. This is what the mention of the forbearance of God is all about. God put up with their unremitted sins until Christ made the propitiation. God was able to put up with this knowing that his Son would eventually remit their sins once and for all. This is why I believe the sacrifices were necessary not that they in of themselves saved a man but they looked forward to the time of salvation. They were not just ceremonial as some say but part of the way of their eventually salvation. They were kind of a put on hold type of salvation. They in of themselves did not save but temporarily covered sins and if a man didn't perform them he wasn't showing faith in the atonement of God reserved for the future therefore would end up in hell. I know this sounds like a contradiction but it's not if you carefully think it through. Until that time those who performed them in faith, after their death, had to ride it out in "Abraham's Bosom" until the final sacrifice was made by Christ. Then Christ led captivity captive.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to John Young in Salvation Before Christ?   
    The same can be shown for Moses (Hebrews 11:24-27), and David (Acts 2:30-31, 4:25-28), and many other OT saints, that they trusted in Christ (the coming messiah). Something to note as you read the gospels, the amount of people who were looking for "The Christ" to deliver them BEFORE Jesus died on the cross. They were not looking for the cross or some generic promise that God gave about the nation but rather looking for their savior. The wicked wanted to destroy him, the faithful wanted to submit to him. If you do a word study on "Christ" in the Gospels, before Jesus was sacrificed, you will see that they knew quite a bit on who Christ was and what Christ would to for them who trusted in Him. Most all of which they received from OT scripture. Some examples are:
    King Herod, the Chief Priest, and the wise men knew of His promised coming and looked for "the Christ". Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
    John the Baptist Preached the coming of Christ and that Christ Jesus would be a sacrificial lamb for sin. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
    Peter and the disciples knew he was the Christ. Luke 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
    The common people knew of Christ. John 4:42 and said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? John 12:34a The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever:
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to TheSword in Freemasonary in the midst of the brethren   
    ​Sort of, but that's not entirely accurate. The first three degrees are a continuance of a single-story arc. At each successive degree, more and different symbols are introduced. I don't recall any reinterpretation of a particular symbol. The only things that really changed in meaning were the ways in which the apron was worn and the positioning of the square and compass; but these were progressive symbols that said something of the new degree attained. What you may be thinking of is the way they explain the meaning of each symbol. For example:
    "The twenty-four inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative Masons to measure and lay out their work; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of dividing their time; it being divided into twenty-four equal parts is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day, which we are taught to divide into three equal parts; whereby are found eight hours for the service of God and a distressed worthy brother; eight hours for their usual vocations; and eight for refreshment and sleep."
    The discerning Christian should notice several unbiblical things here, but most people who go through this don't look below the surface. It's all done verbally and nothing is allowed to be written down. So when you hear it, most think "hey, he just said we have to make time for God. That sounds good and right. Next symbol please!"
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to HappyChristian in Hello Everyone   
    Welcome, DC. Glad to have you with us.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to SureWord in Hello Everyone   
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    OlBrotherDC got a reaction from SureWord in Hello Everyone   
    I am happy to be here with you all. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist from Texas. I am currently attending an Independent Baptist Bible College. I am King James Only, Dispensational, and not a Calvinist. I look forward to learning from some of the older and more seasoned members on the site. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Separation over doctrine.   
    Brother DaChaser, he means that there are more possible options to "identify by" than just "Calvinistic" or "Arminian."  (Likely, Brother McWhorter made this declaration because those who hold to the Calvinistic/Reformed position so commonly indicate that if you are not Calvinistic, then you MUST be Arminian - as if there are ONLY these two options, and no others.)
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Separation over doctrine.   
    Was just thinking that maybe I should give some examples of doctrines that I view as "fundamental," more than the commonly listed five:
    1.  The Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (and the 1,000 year reign thereafter).
    2.  Biblical Creationism (as per seven literal days, by the power of God's Word).
    3.  Believer's Baptism by immersion.
    Certainly, others may not agree with me concerning the fundamental importance of these doctrines (and of those that fall within the "etc.").  However, I am not responsible to make separation decisions FOR them (although I may make separation decisions FROM them).  Rather, I am responsible before the Lord my God to make separation decision for myself and those whom I have been appointed to lead and to teach.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Jordan Kurecki in Steven Anderson   
    This man spews unbiblical hatred and false doctrines.

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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Baptist Church Sign Heresies   
    I always wanted a sign so I could say, "We put the "Fun" in FUNdamentalism!" ow we don't even have a building of our own. One day....
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Jesus is NOT the archangel Michael !   
    "To what dignity are the chosen elevated when the brilliant courtiers of heaven become their willing servitors! Into what communion are we raised since we have intercourse with spotless celestials! How well are we defended since all the twenty- thousand chariots of God are armed for our deliverance! To whom do we owe all this? Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear him; he is the true Michael whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah's presence, to thee this family offers its morning vows."  (Evening and Morning Pg 556)
    Kind of sounds like Spurgeon taught Jesus was Michael. 
    Or maybe the question is, Did Spurgeon believe and teach that Michael the angel was Jesus Christ?, not an angel at all, but God? Are they one and the same person? Either way, it is incorrect.
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    OlBrotherDC got a reaction from Ukulelemike in Freemasonary in the midst of the brethren   
    I believe Joseph Smith was a Mason, and was influenced strongly by Masonic ceremonies in creating the “Temple Initiation” in the LDS church. There are hidden camera videos of these initiations on YouTube and they Certainly resemble masonry. There is also a video from a series giving the LDS stance on many topics, one of which is freemasonry, where the church takes the stance that it is “completely compatible with the LDS church, since they believe their is truth everywhere”. 
    I considered freemasonry for many years before I was saved. A mason is always on a quest for “more light”. What led me away was Psalm 27:1
    “The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?”
    the key phrase I this situation being, the LORD is MY LIGHT. 
    also, the writings from Albert Pike In his book Morals and Dogma about Lucifer pretty much told me all I needed to know, even as a weak Christian doctrinally speaking, I could tell that wasn’t of God. 
    I think more preachers should preach against it, in line with Psalm 27 again, don’t be scared of the Masons, your light is brighter. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Silly Question: What Exactly are the Benedictines?   
    Aren't Benedictines a sort of a breakfast food, an egg on a muffin with sauce on it?
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Alan in Hello Everyone   
    Glad to have you on board the forum.
    Hope you are doing well in college. Glad to hear that you are King James only, dispensational and not a Calvinist. You should fit in just nice. Looking forward to your fellowship and discussions.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Jim_Alaska in Hello Everyone   
    Welcome Bro. DC.  I look forward to your interaction here at OB.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to PastorMatt in Hello Everyone   
    Welcome to OB, looking forward to your posts. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Hello Everyone   
    Welcome aboard the board. Hope we won't leave you bored.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Post-Trib Rapture?   
    Correct. Personally, I call it post-trib, because I see a significant difference between the 'tribulation' and the 'wrath', the tribulation occurring before the falling of God's wrath. 
    In the tribulation, while God controls all that happens, yet Satan also is given (controlled) free reign to persecute Israel and any believers present. But when God's wrath falls, Satan and the Antichrist and their followers are directly punished by God's wrath, and they no longer have power. And as for how long each takes to happen, the Bible isn't clear, which is why I can still see us not know WHEN Christ will return. It isn't as if one things start, we will have an exact number of days or weeks until the rapture. The wrath of God may well occur very quickly, in a matter of days, even hours. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Discussion On seventh day Adventism   
    I have some SDA friends/acquaintances. The wife never much discussed anything with me, but her husband would declare things that I suspect he knew we disagreed with, and when I would go to scripture to dispute it, he would get awfully angry and raise his voice. They really didn't want to hear any scripture, just had their talking points.
    I would maybe dispute that: Walter martin always had a soft spot in his writings for SDA, and I suspect either he had been one, or had family in it, and really didn't seem like he was willing to take a real stance against it. Always seemed weird, how he wore an almost cartoonishly large cross around his neck.
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    OlBrotherDC got a reaction from Alan in Hello Everyone   
    I am happy to be here with you all. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist from Texas. I am currently attending an Independent Baptist Bible College. I am King James Only, Dispensational, and not a Calvinist. I look forward to learning from some of the older and more seasoned members on the site. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Ukulelemike in Plaigerizing   
    Well, they're all using the same source material, and unless the other pastor is copyrighting all his material, (a terrible idea anyways), as long as the sermons are good and biblically sound, I don't know that it is a problem, ethically.
    Now, if he is a full-time pastor, with plenty of time to prepare sermons, and he is being paid to do that, but all he does is use others' sermons, then maybe that ought to be taken up as to whether he is doing his job. But I doubt there are any pastors who haven't used other pastors' sermons before. Even Charles Spurgeon admitted to preaching Matthew Henry verbatim.
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Alan in Calvinism or Arminianism? How do you answer?   
    May I remind you of the rules, which every forum board has, which a person should have read before posting.
    Rule # 3 plainly states, " 3. Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion. The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture."
    When I first read your post the scriptures that you quoted were confusing, and still are, so, I knew that they were not from the KJV Bible but some other modern version. What you posted confused the issue at hand and did not help me to understand the issue better.
    Please, out of respect for the written words of God, and respect for the rules on Online Baptist, and respect for those who have a deep reverence and respect for the written words of God, and to stop confusing issues, use the KJV.
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    OlBrotherDC got a reaction from John Young in Hello Everyone   
    I am happy to be here with you all. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist from Texas. I am currently attending an Independent Baptist Bible College. I am King James Only, Dispensational, and not a Calvinist. I look forward to learning from some of the older and more seasoned members on the site. 
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    OlBrotherDC reacted to Jim_Alaska in Did Jonah die while he was in the belly of the fish?   
    I did not post the quote in Hebrews because of any perceived soul sleep. I posted it because of BroMatt's original query that seemed to ask if people thought that Jonah died in the belly of the whale.
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