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  1. actually its more like 150 all up, 200 max. I cant figure out how to edit a post ive already posted?
  2. lol It sounds like you still have Christians there in America; "Christians" anyway. We NEVER get those sort of questions whilst knocking doors here. It's so funny. Australians don't have near the amount of Christian influence. I also worked out that America has about 20-30 times the amount of IB churches in Australia. Tasmania has about 2 or 3 churches. Northern Territory has about 1. Victoria might have 10. South Australia has about 5. Most of them are in New south wales and Queensland. The other three states I cant remember but probably not more than 10. Anyway, all up we have about 250 maybe. And most of them are churches of about 30-70 people. 70 is big. 40 is very very common. And most are seperated by hundreds and thousands of km from each other. Actually, it's lonely.
  3. Ive noticed that young pele who grow up in calvinist homes very very often struggle with whether they are saved or not. Also, people like David Brainard had some very aweful, heart-rending struggles until he finally came to rest. He said that he couldnt u derstand how a merciful could be just in damning some to hell, and concequently him. He thought he was probablg damned. Its laborious to read pages and pages of this before finally getting to the salvation bit.
  4. Excuse the words of a young woman coming in here, but I think the question is...What kind of beliefs do you want your children to have? What kind of friends? God doesn't ask us to seperate over things just because. He is quite practical and logical, and he knows that we become what we hang around. It pays to ask the same questions the Lord would to himself (if that were possible)..."Now what will happen if I don't tell my children to stay away from this and this and this? Not good. Better include that in the rules".
  5. THE MISTY FLATS Wilt thou stumble, O blinded man? For shadowed mists about thy feet, That wrap around thy head and sweep, The darkness of thy mistful land. The enemy robs thee of thy whelps, Wrapped in tranquil ashen o'er thy sleep, And never mourns thy sunless head nor sees, Such vulpine robbers by thee knelt. Nor heeds alarm from higher ground, When from some clearer hill is seen, The outline of an enemy, That mocked thy denial and plundering,found. How terrifying more thy misty paths! When stumbling at some darkened tree, Wist not it was thine enemy, But crushed some frightening sense of harm. And thou, O Christian, blissful ignorance, Stumbles at each sinful fall, Denies was stricken there at all, But keeps thy spurious innocence. Sin that once was viewed as such, Now nestles in a cloke of grey, And strikes thy blind, denying face, That full denies its bruising touch. Sins bitter cup that once abhorred, And deadly foe that once was feared, Denied through misty conscience years, But harms thy beauty as before. Now all is pure? I thought it sinful! This blindness, light? I thought it dark! We float upon a helmless bark, Some frightening trance of peaceful. Behold the enemy! All around, But seems to thee as darkened trees, Behold a mire but placid seas, And stumbling, as thy level ground. Men are mad! I hold it true, The lost and saved alike. Content to wander in their night, And veil the Holy that once they knew. Wilt thou dare, O blinded man, To lift thy cloke of sin? And view thy Holy God within, Whom thou hast covered with thy hand? A gentle Dove, within thee dwells, And grieves such blindness to His hurt! Such disregarding of the cursed! That threatened thee with hell. No more forgive thy blinded state, That parades a shallow evenness, And steals thy clear and holiness. This peaceful trance of pervading grey. I pray Thy Spirit, O God, to blow! And breath away all blinding mist, That hides the truer face of sin, And unifies our Christian low. For thou art pure and thou art holy. We know not Thee for we are blind, But stumble at each law Divine, And disregard as common folly. Thy purest estate, thy wretchedness, Thy finest coverings are thy nakedness. And pious workings are thy pride, But know ye not that thou art blind? Thy happiest estate is still thy misery! Thy richest place is still thy poverty! Thy misty flats, a devils mind. O know ye not that thou art blind? Heaven o'er gazes, wisely and vast. And what of our contentment? Our happy states of condescension, To lower views, unholy paths. The Spirit grieveth in our breasts. So tragic are His Holy thoughts! That we have counted Him for nought, And shamed His holiness for less! A darker view of Holy God, More as to a man than He. And foolish, we assume to be, Accepted in our misty sod. For lower views of purest God, Bring lower views of what He grieves, 'Till wandering there in misty seas, Our forms of He and sin forgot. Blow, O Spirit of God upon our dim! And breath away satanic mist, That settles on our souls and kissed, Like serpent venom across the wind. So make our air as Thy pure air, And sereph's blush of Thee our own, Until one day thou take us home, And blindless view Thee perfect there. L.J.W
  6. JORDAN As I stand in Jordan’s claven depths, Make, O Lord, my death another’s spring That they might live and joyful sing Of Canaan’s shore and deeper rest. Waters of Adam piled on an heap, Whilst prayers upon my slurring lips And tears upon my baby cheeks Wet rocks beneath my tired feet. Standing still, no place to go? O Lord, a dead man cannot move, But waits thy blessings yet to prove And prays though emptied of my flow. Dry as the rocks beneath my feet But praying as the priests beneath the ark, Though caring naught but to depart When standing ‘side my Jordan heap. A blessing I have come to be. ‘Twas hard to see the glory in my death When struggling, O, but for a breath God made me water there for thee. Poured out upon impossible and holy ground, Is death such a miracle that in my heart Another’s sorrow can depart For Spirit’s working through my nothing? Blessed be the ties that bind me In the love of God, my glory, That writes my new and deeper story And whispers, “Thou art yet to be.” L.W
  7. Surrender Askest Thou me, "Stretch forth thy knife"? Slay my friend and take from me this precious life? Laid still and bound on altar of stone, She there, and I upon a mountain top alone. For this dear friend I prayed, And now my God must take away? Stretch forth my hand and slay? Beloved friend upon this altar laid? Surrender, what does it mean? A terrible, unjust thing it seems, To human eyes who only now sees pain, Of human hearts now rent in twain. I cannot slay! No strength in me remains, For here I am upon his mountain top again. A well worn path of many years, This track of dust and tears. It seems I've felt that every path, I've trod here whether near or far, Must somehow lead back to this place. This place of death, and now to face. Now standing still and trembling with Thy words, Transfixed with pain my heart astirred, I raise my hand though trembling weak, Trusting Love though all is bleak. Clouds, grey and dim o'r shadow the sky. A mountain's wind is rushing by. The valleys all around I see. But still my face looks up to Thee. Thee who too died here for me. Thou gavest all, gave all thou couldst. Unquestioning I can trust to give this love. I should. Unforeseen the Hand that caught, Restrained this trembling hand that sort, To slay this friend at Thy command, Bewildered at Love's harsh demand Now standing, knife still in my grip, Hands of strength restrain each wrist, Reach out and take a vice like hold. Unable to move within this arms enfold. Now looking up with tear-stained face, Bewilderment, now confusion in its place. Gazed up with clouded vision and saw, Love. His face filled with delight and soft, The gaze that met my eyes upon that mountain top. "My child, now I know thou lovest me. More, yes more, than ought of these. All thy dearest must come to this place, And to my hands surrender to take." Every road of hope, desire, leads up to Calvary's hill. High and lofty visions too lead up this mountain, still. Here, all that is strongly claimed, Is brought and on the altar lain. Not the things we care not for, But all the things we love, adore. To own, surrender not; to keep, Will only cause our hearts to weep, Distract when disappointment,need, Cause us to reel like boats on drunken sea. Things of earth will move, Our trust in earthly things do prove. Merciful the Hand that takes away, Then lends to us from day to day. And meters out what's best and perfect, The gifts we gave Him yesterday. But still it hurts to lay all down, To gaze upon a lover bound. Not knowing if this time I must, Goodbye this precious friend, and trust, My God knows best, And in Him rest. O how hard it is to die! In Him to dwell though crucified. Yet clinging tight to Calvary's love. We hear, "All is well" from heaven above. To slay or to keep, all things work for good. Why should I fret? Why should I weep? For look, Love is here.
  8. My Anchor Holds Where troubled sea and billow form, There is a Rock within thy storm. When lovers fall as each new tear, The moments taken and stolen years, There is a cleft below thy waves, A love secure with each new day. When upon life's changing waves, We fear our ship might drift away, An anchor is caste behind thy bow, So little, and no strength. But now, It sinks below a mighty storm, Tossing,betrayal, weariness formed. And finds its rest within a cleft, This riven Rock, and there to rest. Faith,like lonely little anchors. Caste, But knows this Rock to hold them fast. 'Tis not to fear what strength of faith, But What it grips, this Rock of grace. My anchor holds! These, our ships upon life's sea, Toss and mourn our sorrows to be freed. But rest is found when through the storm, We come. And night, it flees our breaking dawn. Sorrow endures, but for a night, And joy, it comes with each new light. And sweetly from the ground there springs, New flowers our God will kindly bring. As mournful sparrow upon the ground, Bereft of song and happy sounds, Thy God will see then gently bring, And heal thy songbird's broken wing. Here my cry O God; attend unto my prayer. From the ends of the earth will I cry unto thee. When my heart is overwhelmed, lead me, To the rock that is higher than I. L.J.W
  9. Deliver Us, O Lord Deliver us, O Lord, from the snare of the fowler, And silence every noisome pestilence. Quench each fiery dart and take us hence, To deeper rest from hour to hour. Deliver us from fleshly strivings, The torment of our restless souls, That drives away our peace in God, And leaves a soldier's sense of numbing. Deliver us from hardened hearts, That prides a stoic creed, That numbly fights and numbly bleeds, Away each Spirit's sense of love. We would with Thee within the fight, Rest within Thy Spirit, Lord Jesus. Strength to soften, not to harden, The heart that numbed through human might. We would with Thee within the yoke, Tread each mile patiently, And never there assume to be, Some mighty force by will envoked. The wrath of man no righteousness envoked, Though heaped the proof of words upon words. Icy truth precisely incurred, Upon the heart that wept and broke. Keep us in Thy love, Lord Jesus, Mingle truth and mercy there, For our hearts, they proudly dared, To fight for truth in carnal fever. Teach us the mystery of resting fight, Thy tender Spirit in our hearts, That softens every numbing part, And turns to rest our bitter might. L.J.W
  10. Hi Everyone, New poetry book release by an Australian IB pastor's daughter (me). I trust it might be a blessing to some. It is available on Amazon (link below), Balboa Press etc. etc. https://www.amazon.com/Hearts-Ache-Lydia-J-Western-ebook/dp/B0859B93ZP/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=heart's+ache+lydia+j+western&qid=1590141794&sr=8-1 God bless, Lydia Western
  11. When Jesus says, “And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,” is he talking to Christians or to that particular group of people living between the walls of Jerusalem across from the Mt. of Olives? Second question. If the people he’s referring to are that particular group living between those four walls, then is that the same group that the Russian/Muslim invasion is going to march against and then God will destroy 1/6 of their armies and “in that day shall all Israel be saved, and they shall know that I am the Lord”? Because if those people (whoever they are) between those four walls are saved then please WHO are the people standing at the base of the Mt of Olives when Jesus appears who had pierced him? Presumably the last lot living between those four walls got Raptured because they all got saved before the mid-rapture.
  12. lol don’t worry. No one has died from a spider bite since 1979. There are roughly about 3000 snake bites per year in Australia but on average only one or two fatalities.
  13. Do American’s love Australians too? I wish we had more churches like you do. I’m a pastor’s daughter. Number eight in a line of nine children, A.C.E homeschooled, had to flee the state we lived in because child protection services were after us kids (ever heard of that? My sister put us in. Nice girl), I.B conservative Baptist, the whole bit. I love Andrew Murray, F.B Meyer, Francis Schaffer, my parents have been around for three hundred and ninety-five years (actually Dad’s in his seventies), been through every kind of church problem you can think of and met every kind of Christian nut imaginable (Pharisees included). Don’t you love those people that think even sugar’s sinful. Anyway, There are about 180 I.B churches in Australia. Most are in NSW, QLD and VIC. There are about 3 in Tasmania and 1 in Northern Territory. There are about 9 in South Australia (where I was born), 5 of which are in Adelaide city. My Dad started the first I.B church in South Australia about forty some years ago after coming back from bible college in Springfield Massouri (sorry can’t spell). He was actually raised church of Christ and had never heard of the I.Bs because there were hardly any in Australia back then. Actually there was one church called Calvary Baptist in S.A that had been going a year before he started his but he was almost the first anyway. Might aswell have been, there wasn’t anyone around. It was called Northside Baptist Church. Now my brother Simeon Western pastors the church. It wasn’t planned. There have been other pastors between Dad and him but that’s what ended up happening. We actually live in Bathurst, N.S.W now. The churches here are typically between 60-80 people. A hundred or more is considered big. Churches of 30-50 are very common also. Apart from the cities, churches are typically hundreds of KM apart. America has about 25 times the number of I.B churches as Australia. I believe you have around 9,200 or something like that. Australia has about 180 - 200 maybe that any one directory is aware of. Certainly not thousands anyway. It’s really lonely, actually. There are some hidden flowers growing in this desert. Good ones too. The sort of people that you look at and say, “Wow, why hasn’t anyone found you yet?” But Ill be honest and say that Americans are better looking than Australians I think (not that looks are everything. I’m just half asleep and thought I’d say it). Anyway, off topic. So if anyone wants to be a missionary to Australia, you can come and you can meet my family too. We’re in Bathurst, N.S.W and have about fourty-fifty people in our country church. But we have a really nice home and we’re normal by the way. The sort of people that you could talk for hours with about church problems over a cup of tea? Great isn’t it. Anyway, I hope some Americans will love Australians and I’ll be sure to love you back if you ever come. God bless.
  14. Lol Yes, I think I agree. Although, maybe Jeremiah was just saying that gold covered Christmas trees were not acceptable for the Christmas celebration. I wonder if they had turkey for Christmas dinner or maybe it was goat as a sort of middle eastern adaption to the Roman Catholic version of Christmas, or the American version of Christmas.
  15. My father is an I.B Pastor here in Australia. I’ll just throw my ten cents worth in. My Dad attended a Bible College in Springfield Massouri. That’s how he became an I.B. He thinks that Bible College is good for giving a man a balanced view from different pastors, rather than only ever hearing their Dad preach, for instance. America has about 20-25 times the amount of I.B churches as in Australia. We are typically small isolated churches with hundreds and thousands of km between us. Actually, it’s very lonely. Two churches in one town is unheard of. Sydney has the most all in one place. Maybe 10-15. Typical church size is maybe 60. Small is 20 or 30, and there are a lot of those. Big is a hundred or more. Anyway, all that to say, when a man grows up in a church of thirty people and only gets to hear another preacher once a year at a conference, and rarely visits another church, the chances of going a bit wacko is more possible because it’s just him and his brain. Isolation is not always gold. I know some good boys coming up the line (precious few), but I do have some real concerns. There’s so so much they don’t know. My Dad has pastored three churches and is in his seventies (I’m number 8 in a line of 9 children. All homeschooled ACE), so I have so much to draw on with him. And I also went to college for a year. Anyway, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the child protection services targeting homeschoolers, but that happened to us through my backslidden older siblings. Out of the blue we had to flee the state and leave everything behind. It was really scary but God just used it for good in the end. My Dad started the first I.B church in South Australia (actually there was one other going for about a year before Northside though). We’ve got about 150 I.B churches in Australia maybe. There’s about one in the Northern Territory, maybe two in W.A, three in Tasmania? Most are N.S.W, QLD and VIC. South australia has maybe five good ones all up and they’re mostly in Adelaide where my brother Simeon’s church is. Australia is only about 7 square km smaller than the States. But we have less people because only about 10% of Australia is habitable. America has about 30,500 people to every one church. We’ve got more like a couple hundred thousand per one church or more.
  16. Donald Trump lol . So funny. That cracked me up. Donald Trump knows how to sound, that’s for sure. Sound BIG.
  17. I’m sorry, but there’s no good news for the Christian during the tribulation. A multitude from all kindreds and tongues and nations are going to be beheaded. And just on the side? Try this. Second seal - a great world war. Third - begins the suffering of famine and inflation (the aftermath of war). Fourth seal - war results in death, but in this case it totals one-fourth of the people and living creatures. By today’s population standards, that would amount to ONE AND A HALF BILLION PEOPLE. Whoops daysy. Fifth - so many Christians slain that they can’t be numbered. Sixth - mighty earthquake, the like of which has never been experienced. It is so severe that people call on the rocks to fall on them. Seventh - introduces the Seven Trumpet Judgments, ending the first quarter of the Tribulation period and preparing for an even worse period called the “day of His [God’s] wrath.” First trumpet - one-THIRD of all trees and green grass being burned up by hail, fire, and blood cast upon the earth. Second trumpet - a great mountain of sulfur falling into the sea and destroying a THIRD-part of the sea and all living creatures in it and a third of the shipping vessels. Third - causes a great star (or meteor) called Wormword (or “bitter”) to fall on the fountains of water and a THIRD of rivers to turn bitter, resulting in the deaths of millions. Fourth - one-THIRD less sun, moonlight, and stars, extending the darkness of night. Fifth trumpet - introduces hideous demon-like creatures such as scorpions and locusts out of the bottomless pit. Not able to kill men, they torture them so badly that they “will seek death and will not find it.” Sixth trumpet - introduces two hundred million horsemen (demon spirit-like death angels), who kill one-THIRD of the people. This will occur between the fortieth and forty-second month of the first part of the Tribulation, which brings to 50 PERCENT the population that is destroyed by God before the midpoint of the Tribulation. These individuals have taken the mark of the Beast and are considered incorrigibles. Since estimates of upwards of a quarter of those living at that time still be saved under the preaching of the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:9, it is possible that 75 PERCENT of the population 25 PERCENT by martyrdom) will have been destroyed during the first half of the Tribulation period. So horrendous, so terrible that we can’t even imagine. And all in the space of three years. No wonder God said that unless he came again that there would be no flesh left on earth. Imagine at the end of all this saying....but this isn’t God’s wrath. It’s ALL God’s wrath. No WONDER the angel said. “These are they that have come out of [THE] great tribulation”. Greek Word definite article. A mark of false doctrine is when they take a few verses and then wrench everything else in to fit. The last trump referring to the last trumpet judgment, for example. Didn’t anyone think that Revelation hadn’t even been written yet when Paul wrote that? John hadn’t had the vision yet, so how could Paul be referring to it? Revelation was A.D 96. 1 Corinthians was A.D 59. The revelation was to John for the first time. This was all completely new to John because he asked questions throughout. Thus “The Revelation”. Wouldn’t be a Revelation if he already knew about it all from Paul.
  18. Revelation 7:9,14 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; ...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. greek Word is “THE great tribulation”. And this is still in the first half. And yes, there will be multitudes of Christians on earth during the tribulation who will be converted. And these same multitudes will be beheaded. Write down on a piece of paper all the things “us Christians” will go through. If the first half of the tribulation isn’t wrath, then what is it? You cant hang your hat on one assumption that the trumpet Paul was referring to in Thessalonians is the last trumpet judgement. The last trump was sounded when it was time to move camp. The first trumpet got everyone packing their tents up and then there were some other calls and then the last trump was when everyone left. Paul is using a picture like he often does. Anyway, it’s not clear enough to hang a whole doctrine on. Actually, Revelation was A.D 96. 1 Corinthians was A.D 59. How could Paul be referring to the last trump of a vision that hadn’t happened yet? When the Lord said “and then shall be great tribulation”, in the Greek there is not the definite article “THE great tribulation” as present in the other tribulation mentions. Things will ramp up, yes, but once again, you can’t hang a whole doctrine on it and then try to wrench all the other scriptures around to fit it. And besides, if the rapture happened at the mid-point, all of Israel would be raptured because they’re saved by that point at the time of the Russian-Muslim invasion. There would not BE an Israel. Because the Bible says that ALL Israel will be saved in that day when the Lord defends them. Israel as a nation wouldn’t exist anymore for when the Lord comes again. Also, would there be any sheep left to divide from the goats at the end? Nothing but goats left on earth, right? For the last half?
  19. Yes, I was actually thinking the same thing. David Cloud has done an extremely good job of trying to correct them, but they’re Arabs and it’s hard to change their mind. It’s a shame really. I know that Mr. Cloud and I both enjoyed the meetings that they had with him a few months ago. We had some good chats together. Actually, it was my brother, Simeon, who found out about it and let Mr. Cloud know. They’ve been back and forwards about it. I was just interested to hear what anyone else had to add. I think you’re right though. They didn’t have a good understanding of pre-trib to start with. But false doctrine is also leaven and there is something appealing about it. It’s strange. I saw one of their “study sheets” that they had done up. They took Matthew 24 and ran it down the page chronologically and then added to the right all the verses from Thessalonians and Corinthians etc. One of the older men in their church is an old pastor and prophecy is his sweet spot. But they just kept the doctrinal “study” as a secret from him and the other older men of the faith and then came out with it after a year of studying it in the closet. But they actually had let a post-trib man onto membership and that’s how it started. The pastor said that he didn’t want to see books or charts and that “David Cloud’s books aren’t inspired”. But then he wants everyone to read the charts that he comes up with. He’s coming out super heated and reactive. It’s really really shocking to see. So weird. He and his two right hand men are Arabs. Not that I have anything against Arabs, but it’s a hot blooded mix. It’s either very good or very bad.
  20. Thankyou. I’m publishing a book with Balboa Press in the States at the moment. Australia isn’t the best place to sell poetry. I’m not in it for the money anyway. I just wanted it to be a blessing.
  21. Thankyou Mr. Young and Allan. The funny thing is they have kept the distinction between church and Israel. That’s interesting about your friend deputising for Australia. There are about 180 I.B churches in Australia. Most are in NSW, QLD and VIC. There are about 3 in Tasmania and 1 in Northern Territory. There are about 9 in South Australia (where I was born), 5 of which are in Adelaide city. My Dad started the first I.B church in South Australia about forty some years ago after coming back from bible college in Springfield Massouri (sorry can’t spell). He was actually raised church of Christ and had never heard of the I.Bs because there were hardly any in Australia back then. Actually there was one church called Calvary Baptist in S.A that had been going a year before he started his but he was almost the first anyway. Might aswell have been, there wasn’t anyone around. It was called Northside Baptist Church. Now my brother Simeon Western pastors the church. It wasn’t planned. There have been other pastors between Dad and him but that’s what ended up happening. We actually live in Bathurst, N.S.W now. The churches here are typically between 60-80 people. A hundred or more is considered big. Churches of 30-50 are very common also. Apart from the cities, churches are typically hundreds of KM apart. America has about 25 times the number of I.B churches as Australia. I believe you have around 9,200 or something like that. Australia has about 180 - 200 maybe that any one directory is aware of. Certainly not thousands anyway. There is not the same “circulation of the saints” over here, so the people you keep are those you win. Church growth here is quite slow and it is not because the pastors are necessarily doing anything wrong. So your brother in the Lord needn’t feel discouraged if it is not a fast growth. I know American missionaries that have been pastoring a flock of about twenty to thirty for years. Others have more but most churches are under a hundred. When Dad came back from the States, he did what he was taught to do when doing soul winning. But he couldn’t understand why people would pray and then not be interested and not come back. It worked well in the States. He eventually worked out that the Australians don’t have the Biblical background that Americans do. Aussies are serious but there is a greater risk of “picking green fruit” over here. Also, getting them to come forward at an invitation often scared them off too. So he ended up getting them to just stand where they were f they had prayed and then sit back down. He focussed a bit more on getting them to come to church a bit and doing some home visits rather than pushing them all through too quickly. Unless they seemed really ready of course. That’s just something to watch out for. I’m very pleased with his desire to come, however. I hope we will get a chance to meet him sometime. It’s not too far fetched because like i said, there aren’t a lot of us. anyway, sorry I’m off topic. Maybe I should repost this as “evangelism in Australia” lol I’ll ask my questions in the post trib thing in a little bit. I have to run and teach piano for now.
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