Martyr_4_FutureJoy

At the point that the man was healed, did he know who had healed him ? No. Was he looking for Jesus? No. When the man was healed, had there been already many healed before him ? Yes (apparently for a long time) When all the previous others were healed at the pool, by being the first in, did they know or even look to Jesus? No. They just had to be the first into the pool. Here is the KJV Scripture: "John 5 King James Version 5 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. 3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. 4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. 5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. 8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. 10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. 11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. 12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? 13 And he that was healed wist not who it was:"

"We" are at a time already that the standards of the KJV Bible are not even known nor taught nor accepted by most groups, as sin has gotten deep inroads into people's lives in and out of churches. What is a lie is called the truth, while what is true is called a lie, and few are able to distinguish the difference at all.

In line with all Scripture, it is not only possible to be angry and sin not as directed by God's Instructions, but it is required. Jesus at some points told His Apostles and disciples - I know you don't know how, come to Me and learn from Me and I Will disciple you , train you, nurture you, show you how to live, how to do what I tell you to do , by example, and by My Word. If you trust yourself to accomplish this, or think you already have it made because you are My disciples and Apostles, then you have already failed. If you trust your heavenly Father to accomplish all, in this life and the next, for all time, trusting Him with your whole life and everything, then it is already accomplished. (thus the importance of continually trusting the Father and not trying to work it out , trusting the Father the same as Jesus Shows us and them, and as Jesus teaches us and them. Question though - @DaveW, where is it written that God was angry in the context and verses you posted ? I do not believe being grieved and being angry are the same thing in the Scripture nor in life.

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ALmost the whole world is glad. (as in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah; and also just before the flood)

Perhaps you did not realize that the opium, heroin, and other so-called illegal drugs are not a recognized part of pharmakeia (pharmacy) in the Untied states ? It is entirely a different ball game, although they may or may not be entertwined with each other. People are tricked into thinking the 'legal' pharmaceutical industry is somehow beneficial ? People usually don't think the drug trade in opium and heroin and such is beneficial at all, except the ones making billions of dollars a day or week or whatever in it. Soldiers of every rank reported the massive drug trade / channels / at all the wars we participated in since the Korean War or thereabout, maybe more. (i.e. it is not a secret at all)

Before 313 a.d. of course. Whether a more specific year is known or can be found, I don't know yet. Yes, as noted somewhere here that the Apostles warned their assemblies in the first century that the wolves were circling waiting for the departure of the Apostles and then when the Apostles were gone the worlves would move in to tear the flock apart, which apparently happened quickly perhaps for most of the assemblies ? I was happy to read The History of The Baptists htis year, partly at least, and to see that before the rcc messed things up tremendously the Baptists (not yet called Baptists of course) had already all the Scriptures early on (i.e. the canon) and continued to through the centuries, by God's Divine Doing of course , and though they were verily and frequently persecuted often to martyrdom, they were not overcome entirely.

Read portions of it, and have in pdf file (free online) as well as paperback, I think. It may be important to note that she gives the solid Scriptural and true evidence of satan's or demon's involvement in fake revivals that many never realize are fake ! (in Wales and in Canada, and perhaps many other places?)

continued quote: "Will America ever fully back Israel knowing the reaction from the Arab world who controls so much oil? Is America willing to anger much of the world (which is anti-Israel) in order to fully support Israel? "No, of course not. Add to this the great turning away from God that has occured in America and look around at all the signs of God's hand of judgement upon America." ============= end quote What are the conditions God Gives in the well known KJV Scripture starting with "IF My People... " and do you think there are enough of His People in America to make any difference in God's Judgment of America ?

And then there are the millions of dollars, or billions perhaps, of dollars of opiates and other drugs brought back through military channels and others opened up by the 'war' , to young people and old people in the Untied states causing more harm than good. The ones who made a lot of money or wanted more power and had the power to do so started the war(s), and made massive amounts of money. Some who went without the wrong motives of course , but many went AWOL when they found out they were just killing innocent people over there and protecting the opium crops. They might have been brave, yes. But the reason they were sent there was not the reason they went there, if they were honest folk, unaware of the powers in control and the purpose of the war(s) and action(s).

Good. Rare to find in the USA. (most people don't even remember how to blush. I think I've seen five to ten women (out of thousands) in the last 25 years who were modest in both attire and manner). Of course there could be more, and we hope there are.

Legalism ? No. Biblical ? Yes. Perfect ? When God Says So.

(last (just posted)) first. How many times is it written in Scripture that someone, anyone, who causes (by their own actions or disobedience) a brother or a sister weak in faith to stumble in their faith a serious sin --- so much so as this in KJV >> from KJV Biblegateway "The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven 18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. Causing to Stumble 6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!" ================================================================== Did I ever not use KJV , other than a few times long ago whether I realized it or not ? Bill concentrated on the killing physically aspect. I was trying to find out if anyone else noted the murder according to Scripture (KJV) aspect, not physical murder. i.e. when someone hates another, but that was not even the main point going forward - the one we never got to that is quite evident in the picture, and no one else at all seems or seemed to realize. "Causing someone weak in faith to stumble" is the aspect I was addressing. If someone put a picture of a thousand gold coins spilt all over a street and said come get them , after a vault truck overturned, would that not be a stumbling block to someone who wanted the gold ? Another poster, long term summed it up I think very well in the following post/ quote: QUOTE CONTINUED: "Not long ago, there was a time where no woman would have even considered being seen in public in yoga pants (essentially, slightly more modest pantyhose), but they are 100% comfortable with it today. When my mother was a young woman, her brothers chased her into the backyard shed for wearing pants and would not let her come out until she agreed to put her dress back on. There is a photograph of my grandmother lifting the front of her dress, just barely above her knees in order to expose her knees, that she always covered with her hand while we looked through her photo albums when I was a boy. Letting the world set the standards for when we draw the line in our churches is a dangerous thing because of the ever lowering of standards of decency. Again, since many people no longer know what is appropriate to wear in to a church, they need to be taught. As I said above, we are to be understanding, to a certain degree, with new converts and visitors, but not to the point of allowing unacceptable immodesty. I also find it interesting that some of the strongest push-back I receive on this issue is from female church members. When I have invited non believers as guests, often they ask my what they should wear, but if they don't ask, I will just tell them that the men usually wear suits and the women wear loose fitting, high neckline dresses that come below the knees when seated. I have never had any of my guests balk or complain at all. They always seem to understand and respect it. Also, requiring a certain standard is also to make sure that the guests are not uncomfortable. As a man, I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being the only one in a t-shirt and jeans. I know that women feel equally uncomfortable when they are the only one under dressed. I attended a Baptist friend's wedding years before I was saved. My girlfriend, at the time, was going to meet me there. Being raised Catholic, I thought I should wear a suit, but she showed up wearing a tight black dress that came to her mid thigh and high heels. I don't know if I have ever seen another woman blush as much as she did. She was so uncomfortable that she asked me if she could wear my suit coat and she asked me if we could leave the second the ceremony was over. Had my friend taken a moment to make sure we were on the same page, or had I made sure she knew how to dress for a church, we could have saved my girlfriend a tremendous amount of humiliation. I have heard a handful of stories, mostly from women, that tell of a visiting female guest being spoken to about her attire and that that guest never returned. I have heard the same scenario illustrated, time and time again, that if we hold to such standards, then visitors will be so offended that they shall return again no more. I have never witnessed it happening, but even if a visitor, who was dressed too immodestly for church, got so offended by a kind and loving explanation of the dress requirements that they never returned, I have no problem with that. If they are put off by such a reasonable request, they probably were not in the frame of mind to get much out of the service anyway. We are not to lower our standards for unbelievers. Many IFB churches have adopted worldly CCM music for their services to appeal to more people. Some have even started being okay with bible versions, other than the KJV being used by members. Churches in almost every denomination have full scale coffee shops and there are even some that have actual Starbucks in them. Standards slip a little bit at a time and never stop falling unless intentional action is taken to stop it and/or reverse it. We are not to lower our standards to accommodate the world." Another group likewise pointed this out : Well, if I can find it again, I may post it. I had a short observation from followers of God who consider such blatant immodesty a sin for any believer, and directly disobedient of God's Instructions, and a cause of sin in observers with weak faith or barely able to stay moral. There appears to be nothing hidden in my posting and answering questions. If something is hidden from you, that is God's Doing, not my status.

I'm not hidden. Seeing if I am on or offline does not change anything that I can see or realize, nor should it for anyone else. Refusing to answer questions though, ongoing ? When Bill did that, several posters claimed he was constantly side-stepping to avoid the questions. Does that apply only to Bill , and not to everyone else ? A double standard so to speak ?

Why not ? I usually forget visitors and some members cannot see if I am online or not. When I am finished posting, I usually log off. Notice I am not quiet. (i.e. while posting regularly, it is obvious to other posters I am not "Hidden". ) I have answered questions in a timely manner, instead of side-stepping them. Sometimes members wait until I log off before they will post answers to questions or other topics, but at least they post answers to questions.

Why do you think that ? Even the Apostles in the KJV Bible said clearly to prove everything even if an Apostle sent by God said it, and something to the effect, at times anyway, of having two or more witnesses as well. It seems direct questions and answers ought to be welcome and practiced in all honesty and integrity and forthrightness in any group of believers. I have continually sought for anyone, any post, any reference to anyone ever being saved by online sites or resources for over a decade. If anyone can present this, good and well. Best of course if someone who is a member on any site is able to post it themselves that they were saved (if possible). If not, no worries per se. I will keep looking, watching , and testing as the Bible says to do. Same if someone want to know how to cure , for instance, scurvy. Will they just take an anonymous internet source without verification as proof, or will they keep seeking validation for the cure ?

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. Whenever someone tries to hide (guilt or sin) in silence, or with verbosity side-stepping without telling that they believe, God Knows Perfectly , and Reveals it sooner or later just as He Says.

Are you side-stepping on purpose, or do you have any real examples (in their own words/posts) of someone becoming a Christian to show ? (not getting married - thousands get married after meeting on some internet site, Christian or not). I did read one example of two people went looking for someone or someplace in person to be saved after reading information or testimony on this site or another Christian testimony online somewhere. No names nor verification was available though. Every forum /site/ I've ever seen or read about or could find had more people turned away from God due to the attitudes of members. This is the standard in and of the world, and even occurred in the Bible daily.

p.s. there are a few sites providing healing information. When the government finds them, whether real or just for show or for profit selling a way to be healed, they are usually deleted.

Any example ever seen on the site , or only in private or unposted conversations ? I have not seen one recently nor that I remember in years watching and reading and searching many different forums and threads and topics, including searching and asking if anyone was ever helped (no one ever gave any example, not even one. They only made claims like the ones who have promoted the worldwide medical idolatry for profit or for approval by others).

At least she did blush. God says somewhere "MY PEOPLE have forgotten how to blush". (that is a very bad thing to happen, apparently after years or decades or longer sliding into sin more and more) @Brother Staffordquote continued: "I also find it interesting that some of the strongest push-back I receive on this issue is from female church members. When I have invited non believers as guests, often they ask my what they should wear, but if they don't ask, I will just tell them that the men usually wear suits and the women wear loose fitting, high neckline dresses that come below the knees when seated. I have never had any of my guests balk or complain at all. They always seem to understand and respect it. Also, requiring a certain standard is also to make sure that the guests are not uncomfortable. As a man, I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being the only one in a t-shirt and jeans. I know that women feel equally uncomfortable when they are the only one under dressed. I attended a Baptist friend's wedding years before I was saved. My girlfriend, at the time, was going to meet me there. Being raised Catholic, I thought I should wear a suit, but she showed up wearing a tight black dress that came to her mid thigh and high heels. I don't know if I have ever seen another woman blush as much as she did. She was so uncomfortable that she asked me if she could wear my suit coat and she asked me if we could leave the second the ceremony was over. Had my friend taken a moment to make sure we were on the same page, or had I made sure she knew how to dress for a church, we could have saved my girlfriend a tremendous amount of humiliation. I have heard a handful of stories, mostly from women, that tell of a visiting female guest being spoken to about her attire and that that guest never returned. I have heard the same scenario illustrated, time and time again, that if we hold to such standards, then visitors will be so offended that they shall return again no more. I have never witnessed it happening, but even if a visitor, who was dressed too immodestly for church, got so offended by a kind and loving explanation of the dress requirements that they never returned, I have no problem with that. If they are put off by such a reasonable request, they probably were not in the frame of mind to get much out of the service anyway. We are not to lower our standards for unbelievers. Many IFB churches have adopted worldly CCM music for their services to appeal to more people. Some have even started being okay with bible versions, other than the KJV being used by members. Churches in almost every denomination have full scale coffee shops and there are even some that have actual Starbucks in them. Standards slip a little bit at a time and never stop falling unless intentional action is taken to stop it and/or reverse it. We are not to lower our standards to accommodate the world."

Saved or unsaved, (as some saved visitors seem in the past ten or twenty years to have come and gone not finding an uplifting reason to stay). Has anyone visiting this site found a reason on the site to become a Christian? Did anyone ever claim the thread and other threads and the site is not guilty of offenses (known and unknown) ? Could it be like Corinthians, where many remained sick and many died because of sin, and no one set them straight until God sent a messenger to tell them ? I think the assembly in Corinth learned or at least they were told and shown in the Bible how to correct the unnecessary sickness and deaths occurring. Is that even desired here , or anywhere on the internet for that matter ? (i.e. who is providing healing?)

I DO think (and know) they ARE staying silent on the issue. It might be a cause of concern IF THEY REPLIED ! RSS Robot posting is not like people posting. RSS Robots are silent unless they are programmed to reply. People are silent when they lose internet access, or when they are guilty or when they have something they don't want brought out into the LIGHT, or when everything is already out in the LIGHT and they have no need to add anything. Negative and Positive reasons potentially, and neutral reasons too.

I don't know if you consider it (the op picture, and posts that followed) a sin or not, even if it does cause someone to stumble. That does not matter of course to God. If all alone, all by its lonesome self with no replies at all, no matter even where it is seen - in this thread or site or somewhere else entirely - if it is a cause of people stumbling, then as God says woe to those who cause others to stumble.

FWIW, I have replied dozens of times to RSS Robot posts, as God Leads. Sometimes if not often, others then reply also. It is indeed awkward though, in a way. When the RSS Robot post contains serious error(s), who is responsible ? The RSS Robot won't and can't do any more about that than a wooden idol can answer. None-the-less, it may be that the topic brought up is granted by God to be seed sown, or seed watered, for someone, and if God Pleases, He May Give Growth as His Word Says.