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  1. Miss Daisy, there are certainly going to be false teachers among us. We need to be on guard and follow "The Gospel" and "the apostle's doctrine" so we can identify these "wolves in sheep's clothing". As for the divorce issue it should probably be addressed in a different forum. I pray that you find peace.
  2. My seven grandchildren are all millennials. None of them go to church. Their reason is they all grew up in public school and are evolutionists. They were not taught the Word in school. They believe in the science they were taught. After 12-16 years of school their "truth" is based on this science. I keep trying, but it is hard to overcome this situation.
  3. Wow! I guess I spoke out of turn. I did study the passage. I cannot make it fit your stand. I am not a "universalist" as you may assume. I just believe that all true churches that follow the Scriptures are part of the body of Christ of which He is Head of All.
  4. I am not saying or implying that there is a universal church. I am saying that all true local churches are part of One body, The body of Christ. Which one local church is the body? 1 Cor 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the memb
  5. There is only one body. We are united in spirit, not of this world. Instruction to the local churches are used to teach us all what kind of spirit we should have. If one is hurt we all are hurt. If one is in need we are all in need. It is a spiritual context. The apostles doctrines are applicable to us all.
  6. Jim, I believe the very Scripture you used before confirms this Holy Spirit baptism. "1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body"
  7. "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body", I would like to stay on this point for now. I read this as the initial baptism of The Holy Spirit (at the time of regeneration) into the body of Jesus Christ. I do not think Paul is here referring to water baptism which is still to come to show publicly our regeneration. Which I would then say after water baptism you can become part of a local church.
  8. If this is true, does it apply only to the church at Corinth? What about the general epistles which church are they directed to? I read this to mean the baptism by The Holy Spirit we all receive upon being born again. Water baptism by immersion is a separate act IMO. Jim, I appreciate your input. I just do not see baptism and church membership tied to each other. That again IMO is like saying I am not going to accept someone's salvation if they were not saved in a Baptist church. I quote again " Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as
  9. As a few of you may know, I am not what you guys call an "independent Baptist" however; I am in my 2nd year of Bible College online that is independent Baptist 100%. I had never heard of this doctrine until I studied Church History. My roots are Missionary Baptists. I have always thought of the church as both local, visible and "universal" but not in a Catholic concept (nor as a Protestant) concept. I just felt that all the truly born again believers were part of Jesus' Church. I was not baptized to become a member of a church, but to show publicly my attachment to Christ and to typify His dea
  10. Exodus 32:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. This is referring to the time in the wilderness when the people had sinned against God and Moses went to God to intercede for them I believe this is God's Book of Life recording all people living. To be blotted out meant physical death. Moses asked God that if He blotted the people out of the Book, to also blot him out even though he had not sinned. Because of the plea made by Moses God showed mercy on the people but did not take the threat away. Go
  11. DaveW "I don't get why this is such an issue for so many people. What we see in the Bible is that churches are started under the authority of other churches. This IS the Biblical pattern." I do not have a problem with authority. I know who has authority over me in the leadership of my flock. That authority comes from Jesus Christ through the empowerment of The Holy Spirit. My "pattern" is of course the Scriptures as revealed again by The Holy Spirit. Can we not see these same issues were creeping into churches since the beginning? The Apostles doctrine is what we should follow a
  12. I think the thousands of disciples (church members) scattered at the time of persecution in Jerusalem, around the time of the stoning of Stephen. This lead to churches in several locations. Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the LordJesus. 21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great
  13. "Church" perpetuity I agree is guaranteed. There will always be true churches. I do not find the Scripture that affirm "church begets church". I believe that is why the first church was empowered by the Holy Spirit and that "seed" is what is planted to beget a true church. Scriptural baptism is necessary to become part of His church, not as part of regeneration but to identify with The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I agree with the scriptures you gave to support the outline of a true church. I just believe that just as the "seed" that the Apostles were empowered with was The Hol
  14. Thank you Jim, I read your attached post. I appreciate your input. I am convinced about when "Jesus'" Church started. My sticking point is more to do with "church perpetuity" than the beginning. I believe the Apostles were empowered at Pentecost by The Holy Spirit to do the work of building the church on the foundation that Christ had laid. I believe churches started everywhere through disciples that were persecuted and scattered throughout the region. These churches were ordained of The Holy Spirit and IMHO legitimate. I have a hard time with the only legitimate churches being those that are
  15. "Jesus Christ began His Church in Jerusalem with the calling of the 12 and finished building it just prior to being crucified (with about 120 adult members). This one church was the ‘my church’ that He would build. This Church begat other Churches just like itself (Antioch, Ephesus, Corinth, etc.)." Is this common doctrine among independent Baptist churches?
  16. I don't either. I have just read that if your local church was not "birthed" from a "true" New Testament church it is not a legitimate Church of Jesus Christ.
  17. I am a Pastor of a very small flock of believers in a very small town in Western NC (Old Fort, NC). The building we have chosen to assemble in is named Brookside Missionary Baptist Church. The building was a school in the mid 1800's. There has not been an accurate historical record kept over the years. We as a congregation are not pedigreed as connected to any church "plant". Through our history we have been like minded people who have come together to worship the Lord Jesus Christ the best way we can through His Word. My concern is that "Independent Baptist Churches" would not consider o
  18. I think Acts 14 demonstrates that Paul did much preaching in the synagogues on the sabbath. He certainly built churches on the sabbath. Maybe Saturday should be "soul-winning day".
  19. Well, I hate that you want to give up on this discussion. You have helped me to understand your interpretation. Here is what I have learned so far. 1. "The Church" in Acts was a local church which included all those saved and baptized at the time. 2. That it took Salvation and Baptism to be added to "The Church" at that time. 3. Without baptism you could not be added to "The Church" at that time. You can be saved and not be part of "The Church". If you respond, good, if not I appreciate your time.
  20. I do NOT believe baptism is part of salvation, baptism is an ordinance and should not precede "church" membership. Acts 2:47 confirms that: "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." Acts 2:47 KJV
  21. "Institution" is a curious word. I am going to have to chew on that for a while!
  22. Jesus was talking about the local church at Jerusalem which was "The Church" at that time. His teachings are applicable to all "local churches" and to "His Church" as scripture. Is what Paul wrote to The Church at Rome not applicable to The Church at Ephesus? These churches did not exist at the Matthew 18:17 time frame, but if you are a follower of Christ it is unto you scripture. I do believe in local churches but just how autonomous are they? There is One Christ. I have noticed that you also use local "church" for several churches.
  23. I appreciate your thorough explanation. My prayerful conviction is that baptism does not add you to the Lord's Church. Salvation does. I do believe baptism is an ordinance as well as communion. I believe it is necessary as part of the great commission. I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost after I was saved not to join a local church, but to be obedient to Christ. I want to tell you I had never even heard of this doctrine until recently. I have been Baptist my entire Christian life. I am not Protestant and I am not catholic, but I do believe that Jesus's Church is the c
  24. The Church is built by Jesus Christ on the foundation that He is "The Christ" The apostles built local churches with Him as the Chief Cornerstone. All these are still His Church. Are there tares in His Church? Yes. However, He tells us to let Him sort that out!
  25. I just listened to your fine message. Thank the Lord for you and what you do. I think some are confused on my stand and maybe I am not expressing it well enough. I believe in the "Local Church" and that we have a mighty work to do. In your message you mentioned someone that is truly born again should join with a local church for teaching and growth and I agree to that. If they do not do that right away I believe they are still part of the body of Christ and a member of His "collective" church. Were the churches of the New Testament not all part of this collective Church that began with Jesus a
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