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Anthony John Thornton

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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from DaveW in Becoming a better person   
    Brother, you are correct. He’s not a pastor. It definitely was a good message though. 🙂
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to DaveW in Becoming a better person   
    Can I just make a small correction - unless I am mistaken Brother Gibbs is not a Pastor. A good preacher, and as far as I could tell a godly man, and does a great work with the Christian Law Association and has done so for many years, but not a Pastor.
    A technicality (unless something has changed over the years since I met him, in which case I apologise), but one that he himself made at the meetings I went to.
    But he has a way in his preaching of making issues of life very relatable. Actually many of his messages are really very simple, you just don't realise that when you are sitting there - and sometimes the simple stops us from getting clouded with too many thoughts and ideas. 
     
     
     
    And to the brother who posed the original question - first, immerse yourself in the Bible, then make prayer a solid part of your life, after all:
    Heb 4:12
    (12)  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
     
    But sometimes we need an example to follow:
    1Co 11:1
    (1)  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
     
    This is Paul speaking and saying that he would serve as an example for other to follow, but his second phrase includes a proviso "even as I also as of Christ", which indicates that they could follow him AS HE FOLLOWED CHRIST.
    Find a godly man to follow by example, AS THAT MAN FOLLOWS CHRIST.
    Php 3:17
    (17)  Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    Paul again - not only him but there are others who walk the right way and are worth following (Again, as they follow Christ).
     
     
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Becoming a better person   
    I listened to a pastor, who's actually the President of the Christian Law Association, preach at my church a few nights ago. He preached Psalms 1, particularly about the seat of the scornful. Brother, it changed my life. Literally. The Holy Spirit had been convicting me of my complaining and BOOM, Brother Gibbs preached on that. It may be available somewhere online too. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to EvangAlived in I'd Rather Have Jesus - Group w/Orchestra   
    YI'd Rather Have Jesus - Group w/Orchestra
     
     
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Rebecca in Questions about deputation   
    Yes, but not in the area of being sent out of my local church. As I went out on deputation and later furlough, the vast majority of pastors I talked with were very pleased with my decision to go through my local church and not a board. I primarily visited churches located in the midwest and Michigan, so I'm not sure what pastors elsewhere in the country would say about it. As far as my church being able to send me finances as we have it set up, it has not been an issue once we figured out how to transfer the funds. 
    Although I don't know the legal differences -if any- between Alberta and Ontario concerning missionary visas, I know a missionary family in Toronto, Canada you might want to get in touch with, they may be able to speak to you about how to come to Canada as a missionary or any other questions you may have concerning boards (I believe they went out of BIMI). I hope it helps.
    Cory and April McTague email: (messaged)
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Rebecca in Questions about deputation   
    I'm a missionary sent out of my local church.  My home church receives and handles all my support and transfer funds to me as needed (bi-monthly set amount or as I request additional funds). My church set up a bank account with my name on it, but the finance team has access to it so they can transfer the funds as needed. Other than that they don't touch the money in that account.  The church handles my income tax forms and helped with the legal paperwork that I needed to get my missionary visa, and as it was a learning experience for both the church and myself, there were some hiccups along the way as we learned what each of our legal responsibilities were. 
    Whether a missionary chooses to go through a board, clearinghouse, or local church, they should put a lot of prayer into that decision and allow God to direct their steps.
     
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Rebecca in Questions about deputation   
    Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Alan in Questions about deputation   
    Literally everything you mentioned in your points is reason enough to not use a board. One board I just talked to said their administrative fee is 300 a month. That could be rent on the field. The changing of doctrine scares me most. Also, one consideration in favor of using a board is having that "clout" or vetting while on deputation. I would imagine it would be harder to get support without a board's backing. 
     
    I thank the Lord He has given me much over my life. I don't have to worry about insurance (but then it could always change) because after I was wounded by an IED in 2005, I was put on medical hold. I was medically retired years later with Tricare Select. It used to be called Tricare Standard. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from HappyChristian in Questions about deputation   
    What an incredible blessing on all fronts! Any information would be invaluable! I have no contacts but some I will be contacting soon. I have had, on my mind, Calgary. The Drop-In Rehab Centre (Center lol) is located in Calgary, and I believe that to be an incredible segue into giving the Gospel AND being a servant. Old Paths Baptist Church is a church I plan to contact soon. I'd go on deputation, link up with a church in the area, work with them, and perhaps begin a church plant in due time. The other thing that I believe the Lord is leading me towards is teaching, in a literal sense. It could very well end up as both. The Lord's will be done! 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Salyan in Questions about deputation   
    Yes! Really? That would be very cool. There's a lot of empty spaces between churches up here. Any particular area?
    I don't know whether you have contacts up here already, but I can give you some contacts if you'd like, or steer you toward any western Canadian events that may be useful to attend (if you come for a survey trip). Our church has done some church planting - we've reproduced five Alberta churches over the past twenty years or so - and our pastor emeritus, Dave Harness, serves on the board of the Baptist Church Planting Ministry Canada. About ten years ago, we got to help a US missionary coming to Alberta by being their home base for a year while they got acclimatized to Alberta, and then helped with the new church plant. I still go visit them in Hinton any chance I get. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Salyan in Questions about deputation   
    I took over the Secretary/Treasurer position in our church a couple years ago. Something I can't figure out is - in this day and age of electronic communication, WHY are our churches still sending cheques? It would be so much faster and more efficient to use eTransfers, credit cards, and other forms of electronic payment. It would be especially nice when sending support funds to US-based missionaries. US banks are woefully behind when it comes to handling out-of-country cheques. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Alan in Questions about deputation   
    Jim brought up a valid point that I am compelled to add thereunto.
    1. Some boards require the missionary to set apart, usually every month, funds for retirement. These funds are usually either kept by the board or in an account set up by the board. Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board before his retirement the funds are forfeited.
    2. Some boards require the missionaries to set up other funds: housing, furlough, emergency funds, etc. Depending on the rules of the board, the board, or its representative,  has the final say so if the missionary receives these funds when the missionary requests these funds.
    3. If the missionary purchases a house on the foreign field, some boards require the missionary to have the house in the name of board, or its legal representative on the field.
    For your information. Most boards have a "Field Representative," or some other setup, in order to have personal contact with the missionary. The "Field Representative" is in effect a controlling factor over the missionary. For Taiwan, most boards have a "legal" representative that holds title to the house and not the missionary.
    Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board than the house is not his. In other words, he loses the house.
    4. Insurance. Most boards require the missionary to have Health insurance through the board or a Insurance Company recommended by the board. If the missionary leaves the board than there is a strong possibility that the Health Insurance is forfeited and the missionary may be required to pay for medical expenses out of his own pocket.
    5. Most boards have the final say so in any situation not covered by the rules.
    Conclusion.
    Just about every board has its own rules. The missionary normally learns of these rules at Candidate School. If the board changes in doctrine, integrity, or in organization, than the missionary either changes with the board or he is asked to leave and forfeit his benefits accumulated during his tenure with the board.
    Alan
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Jim_Alaska in Questions about deputation   
    I didn't address this in my first post, but there is another aspect to going with a mission board that needs to be considered. I will qualify this by saying that I have no idea which or how many boards do this, but some do take a small portion of the missionary funding for something on the order of what they consider the cost of handling the funds and/or missionary. I don't really know what you would call this except to say that the missionary doesn't get the total contributed. This would be a factor in favor of "doing it yourself".
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from OFIB Preacher in Looking to convert.   
    Lookingfortruth, I am partly ashamed to admit this but at the same time hoping to encourage you on the same level. When we were looking for churches, my wife actually led the charge. She found a church she liked. We had been there before. I had family who attended it. I had no clue what their doctrine was at first, just that it was a Baptist church. I didn't learn it was independent until a year or so later. I had a thirst for knowledge. I had my thirst quenched at this church and haven't looked back. I am ashamed that my wife led the charge when it should've been me but it was HER faithfulness to truth that brought me along. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Jordan Kurecki in Questions about deputation   
    Of course they always have “reasons” for their rules. The rule book will tell you something about the board though. I am going to just use facial hair for one example, the bible absolutely is not against facial hair, therefore if a board is going to make a rule about that it tells me they think thats important. If a board is going to tell you that you cant have facial hair what else will they dictate? To me that tells me that they feel strongly about something that is not biblical or significant in the big picture of missions. To me it seems like a bit of a legalistic spirit. I am yet to see any mission board admit that they are controlling. Every mission board says that they are “local church”. But the proof is in the pudding when you get down to the nitty gritty details. Listen, if someones wants to give up some of their autonomy for the help and aid of a mission board then thats fine, I wont condemn anyone for that. But for me personally I would not go with a Board that gives evidence to me that they will try to micromanage my ministry and life. Unfortunately there is definately a legalistic spirit out there amongst Independant Baptists, There is a serious problem with people pushing their own personal preferences on others and I see this with mission boards. I have just watched how one unnamed mission board has tried to destroy a godly missionary and his family and get them kicked out of the country simply because he did not agree with their missions philosophy and he wasnt even under their board. 
    I am not against Mission boards, but we need to be honest and realize that many missions boards do restrict the missionaries freedom. You have to realize you are trading some freedom for help from the board.
    And of course you can talk to the people from the boards, but realize they are probably not going to tell you the negative consequences of being with their board and they are of course going to have “reasons” for all of their rules.
    I am not trying to attack any mission boards or person. I respect Pat Gordon and what he is doing. For me though I looked into them and it wasnt a fit for me. Maybe it is for someone else, but not for me. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Jordan Kurecki in Questions about deputation   
    I believe CMC is a worthy mention for this thread. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Lori Miner in Looking to convert.   
    Lookingfortruth, I am partly ashamed to admit this but at the same time hoping to encourage you on the same level. When we were looking for churches, my wife actually led the charge. She found a church she liked. We had been there before. I had family who attended it. I had no clue what their doctrine was at first, just that it was a Baptist church. I didn't learn it was independent until a year or so later. I had a thirst for knowledge. I had my thirst quenched at this church and haven't looked back. I am ashamed that my wife led the charge when it should've been me but it was HER faithfulness to truth that brought me along. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Alan in Questions about deputation   
    Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from John Young in Questions about deputation   
    Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here. 
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from John Young in Questions about deputation   
    That's really interesting! 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Alan in Questions about deputation   
    Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:
     3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?   Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.     4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?    There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.
        5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?   CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.
     
    A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.
     
    There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.
     
    FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.
     
    Alan
     
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Alan in Questions about deputation   
    That's really interesting! 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Alan in Questions about deputation   
    The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and  operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/
    The CMC has no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC.
    Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.
     
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    Anthony John Thornton got a reaction from Alan in Questions about deputation   
    And I have strongly considered this aspect of it as well. I have an older missionary in my church whom I consider a friend and this is what he does. Well, mostly. He doesn't use a board. He does go from church to church periodically raising funds. I believe the sending church being responsible is the most Biblical way of doing it for sure. 
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    Anthony John Thornton reacted to Jim_Alaska in Questions about deputation   
    Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.

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