Yabruf

16 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

The word abusers of themselves with mankind is the Greek word equivalent to homosexual, there was no such English word as homosexual in 1611 when the KJV was translated. Abusers of themselves with mankind is a Euphemism for homosexuals. 

G733   (Strong)

ἀρσενοκοίτης

arsenokoitēs

ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace

From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

ἀρσενοκοίτης

arsenokoitēs

Thayer Definition:

1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

Zodhiates definition: 

ἀρσενοκοίτης

arsenokoítēs; gen. arsenokoítou, masc. noun, from ársēn (G730), a male, and koítē (G2845), a bed. A man who lies in bed with another male, a homosexual (1Co 6:9; 1Ti 1:10 [cf. Lev 18:22; Rom 1:27]).

 

 

 

And nowhere does Romans 1 says that all homosexuals are reprobates that cannot be saved, plus 1st Corinthians clearly states homosexual had gotten saved.

Study your bible and stop following the false teachings of Steven Anderson. 

The teaching that homosexuals cannot be saved is straight from the pit of hell and not from the word of God.

"Abusers of themselves with mankind is a Euphemism". I only speak English, so I will need some time to verify that this is really a euphemism for homosexual. 

For now I will go with what the clear teaching of the KJV Bible says in English, which is "abusers of themselves with mankind". If God was referring to the sodomite, I image he would of put sodomite in 1 Corinthians...lol

And since we do not agree that 1st Corinthians says anything at all about the sodomite, you cannot claim that they are not reprobate.

I follow the clear teachings of scripture as does Pastor Anderson. 

Jordan, you may want to take some of your own advice and study your Bible without popular culture influencing your understanding of God's word. The only thing from the pit of hell is your irrational hatred of a man of God. Also your love of sexual deviants, that God himself hates and commands use to administer the death penalty for is definitely not biblical. 

Here is a another great verse from the book of 1st Corinthians, that you might want to read and meditate on: 1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

On 10/17/2018 at 10:32 PM, Salyan said:

That’s a very broad brush. You really can’t say something like that with any authority. Only God knows the intents of all hearts. 

I will rely on the statistics from the CDC and multiple studies on homosexuals deviants confessing to pedophilia. 

I will also rely on personal experiences from family members connecting homosexuals with pedophilia.  

I will rely on undercover documentaries of interviews with homosexuals confessing of pedophilia.  

And lastly I will rely on my own common sense to make the obvious connection between the homosexual and pedophilia. If a man or woman has been given over to same sex behavior, they will do anything, including harm a child. 

While my above list may not be "authoritative" enough for you, any one point, by itself, is sufficient for me.

There is a reason why Leviticus 20:13 is a commandment of God. Its because he does know the intents of all hearts and wants to stop, prevent, abolish, and deter this type of wicked behavior.

On 10/19/2018 at 8:38 PM, Jordan Kurecki said:

While I agree that there does come a time where people may be given over to a reprobate mind. I do not however believe because of Romans 1 that it somehow means homosexuals cannot be saved. This contradicts the scripture from Corinthians that I posted earlier today! 

In what way does it contradict it? Nowhere does the book of Corinthians give a pass to the reprobate mind. 

On 10/19/2018 at 7:37 AM, Jordan Kurecki said:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Some of the Corinthians were homosexuals who had been saved. 

I disagree. The list in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 does not mention "homosexual" or "Sodomite".

On 10/17/2018 at 6:29 PM, Jordan Kurecki said:

Yabruf, are you an adherent to the teachings of Steven Anderson? 

Yes I am. I have the privilege of being one of his parishioners. 

On 10/17/2018 at 3:22 PM, DaveW said:

“My God is able to forgive sin while a man is still alive to accept that free gift.”

DaveW, I agree that yes God can, but will he contradict his word? I don’t believe he will, because Numbers 23:19 shows us the following: God is not a man, that he should lie…

Here are some examples of where mankind cannot be redeemed by God:

-Those who take the mark: Rev. 13:16, and the result of taking the mark: Rev. 14:10

-Those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost: Mark 3:28-29

-Those who alter God’s perfect word: Rev.22:19

In the examples I have listed above, God has made it clear that it is too late for those individuals. It really doesn’t matter if you’re still alive or not, because God has placed restrictions on certain choices and set a consequence for those choices.

“The passage you refer to begins with those who reject God - that is a sinner of any kind.”

I disagree. A sinner may reject God for a time, but your average unsaved person does not fulfill the list of qualifications, listed in Romans 1:21 thru 1:32. Maybe I’m not old enough or experienced enough, but I have never met an unsaved person who hates God: Romans 1:30.

“INCLUDING BUT NOT RESTRICTED TO HOMOSEXUALITY”

I disagree. Romans 1:21-32 is speaking directly to the subject of homosexuality. Romans 1:24 refers God giving them up to “uncleanness”. Romans 1:26 refers to God giving them up to “vile affections”. Romans 1:28 refers to God giving them over to a “reprobate mind”.

Next in Romans 1:29 through 32, God lists the characteristics of the homosexual:

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Notice the word “all” in verse 29. Now your average Joe sinner has committed many of the above sins, but the reprobate homosexual is filled with them all.

“And reprobate just doesn't mean beyond help.”

I disagree. The Bible has defined what the term “reprobate” means. In Jeremiah 6:30 God tells us that it means rejected. See, in the process of becoming reprobate, God darkened their heart, gave them up to uncleanness, gave them up to vile affections and finally gave them over to a reprobate mind.

A reprobate no longer has the possibility to choose God, because God has literally given them over to their sins.

“Any unrepentant sinner will be punished for it.”

If by “it” you mean everything listed in Romans 1:29 thru 32, then yes they will be punished with a reprobate mind. Again don’t conflate an average sinner with attributes of a reprobate, two entirely different creatures. One has sinned the other has sinned to the point of rejection.

“Any man who does not turn to Christ alone for salvation will be punished.”

Yes and that punishment is referred to as the Lake of Fire.

“But IF a man - any man - turns to Christ, confessing with his mouth and believing with his heart, that man shall be saved.”

Yes, I agree! But the reprobate no longer has that ability to turn or repent. Just like Pharaoh, whose heart was hardened and just like those who take the mark….etc.

27 minutes ago, Salyan said:

Yes, it should have its own thread. I've made a 'Reprobates & Salvation' thread under Biblical Issues and moved the two previous comments there for further discussion on this issue. 

In response to the earlier list of terms synonymous with homosexual, I'm going to object to one of them - not by means of defending the practice, but in the interests of honesty.  A large number of pedophiles may be homosexual, but not every homosexual is a pedophile. Let's not create a false straw man for people to react to rather than dealing with the true issue.

I understand your logic but I disagree. If a sodomite is not currently involved in pedophilia, its because they have not been caught yet or havent had the opportunity.

I will elaborate in the new thread you have created.

9 hours ago, DaveW said:

Interesting - I don't think anyone here 8s trying to classify it as "a sin that is common to man"....

But isn't the blood of Christ enough to cover any sin that is repented of and confessed to Him?

Yes of course, Christ died for the sins of the world! But in the same way that the world is not going to heaven, either are those that have rejected his free gift, Romans 6:23. A reprobate has rejected that gift and Romans 1:21 begins to show us how this takes place.

You would agree that not all men can be saved right? That there is a point, at which a man can cross, to where he is no longer redeemable aka reprobate?

But perhaps a discussion on the reprobate doctrine needs its own thread?

Hello, Im Jason from Arizona and I am new to this board.

I am a former non-denom fun center Christian and have been IFB since April 2015.

So far Im liking what Im reading here, and its a relief to read the thoughts and opinions of like minded believers.

Saved and Baptized at around 12 yrs in a local baptist church inspite of my Catholic family.

Did the repent of your sins Pentecostal thing as a teenager and did the backsliding thing in the military.

Married with kids and made my way through multiple rock n roll fun centers before finding my roots again in a solid IFB church.

21 minutes ago, DaveW said:

HI!

How about "Sinner" - that is also an accurate and appropriate term.

And while we are at it, how about visiting the introduction section and letting us know a bit about yourself.

 

Hi Dave,  

Ok I will head to the intro section now, thanks.

With regards to the "sinner" title, I would not apply that to a reprobate. Since all sin is not equal, I am unable to classify that level of depravity as a sin that is common to man. 

Born and raised in Fl, lived in AZ for the past 20 years.

Without a doubt he is the worst most depraved man that has held the office.

He is the king of abortion, and the sodomites. No one has furthered the wicked agenda of child sacrifice and perversion more then Barry Soetoro.

Just listened to one this weekend. "Nine terrors of hell" by Pastor Johnathan Shelley of Pure Words Baptist church in Houston,TX.

Great sermon. Hell sermons are great motivation to go soul winning!

No such thing as "gay" marriage. Gay is a word correctly used in the Bible which means happy.

The acceptable terms to use when referring to a homosexual would be: sodomite, dog, reprobate, pedophile, predator. 

None of the above can get married.

Where is the choice for " False Prophet"?