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God gave to us what real doctrines and practices are kin the scriptures, so everything against thta would be "false religion"

God gave to us what real doctrines and practices are kin the scriptures, so everything against thta would be "false religion"

God gave to us what real doctrines and practices are kin the scriptures, so everything against thta would be "false religion"

You are correct, but believe its in the Hadith, as Muslims see the Koran and hadith as equally valid to them!

Those such as Isis though are the closest to what their prophet Muhhamed taught, as Islam is commissioned by Allah to take over the world, and that is to be done by extreme force of need be!
Islam is a Satanic counterfeit of the the messiah and real Gospel, as the angel that appeared to Muhhammed and gave to him those revelations was no doubt same one that appeared to adam and Eve and to others such as Joseph Smith!
Islam does not worship Yahweh, but a satanic counterfeit!

The OT saints were saved just as we were, due to the Cross of Christ, and them placing trust and faith in the promised messiah!

Grace started in the garden right after the fall!

The OT saints were saved just as we were, due to the Cross of Christ, and them placing trust and faith in the promised messiah!

Salvation though has always been due to Grace, as none were ever saved by anything other method!

They hold to a charismatic view of the second act of Grace, but minus speaking in tongues part!

Grace was there by the giving of the first message of the Messiah, and granting Adam and Eve forgiveness!

yes, but all of them were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit as we are now!
Saved as in going to Heaven!

You are indeed correct about Joseph Smith, and that right there should make it clear that no Christian should be involved in free masonry!

God always has saved by Grace alone thru faith alone!

Either viewpoint is within orthodoxy, but think that 5 point calvinist viewpoint in regards to Sotierology proper fits the biblical account the best!

God uses the Gospel as the means by which to have His own receive the Lord Jesus and be now saved!
The Holy Spirit uses the Gospel to reach and to save those whoa re the chosen in Christ jesus to receive salvation!

He is indeed.....

I have been trying to dialog with various ones on boards, and they seem to be stuck in  the mindset same way Mormon is on Joseph Smith in regards to Ellen White!

Either viewpoint is within orthodoxy, but think that 5 point calvinist viewpoint in regards to Sotierology proper fits the biblical account the best!

As Spurgeon himself stated, Calvinism is the Gospel, in that it expounds and explains the plan of salvation best on how God does it in the good news message of Christ.

Secondary issue, as we should only separate over issues such as "is Jesus God, Did he physically resurrect, is the Bible inspired?"

True, will stick by my assertion, but will not divide over it!

Calvinism explains best though just what the Sotierology proper of God was in saving lost sinners!

As Spurgeon himself stated, Calvinism is the Gospel, in that it expounds and explains the plan of salvation best on how God does it in the good news message of Christ.

I would say that Revelation 3, talking to the Philadelphia church, promised to be kept from that Hour, and also Chapter 4, when John goes up into heaven as a prefigure of the church rapturing out are the 2 best examples for pre trib. I see Mid trib supported by the 2 witnesses resurrecting to God mid trip, and also that the wrath of God starts mid trib, and the church is said to be spare the wrath of God. Post trib fits due to the fact that the second coming is  described to be the same event as what is called the rapture, as those holding to it see God protecting the Church as he did the Jews in Egypt during the plagues.
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