Joe Coley

I was washed in the blood of The Lamb Of God, Feb, 1986 while in an alcohol treatment center on a six week detox. see " unshackled, the Joe Coley story"  my uncle who later became my only pastor until his death a few years ago would come by every other day and quote scriptures. after two weeks of that, one day I was expecting him to come by ,but the Holy Spirit came in his place. by the side of my bed , on my knees I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior! that is the short of it.

Personally, I like the free meal Baptist!!!!!

please accept my apology brethren if I don't not agree with you and there be any offence, but obviously we are most likely grounded in our belief as I would kindly disagree with your rebuttals . so the questions is whether we can accept what we clearly believe to be error from each other and be done with this saga. as I posted  my purpose was to simply declare our stand, and not to argue the point. I am sure there are many areas where we do agree and can have good fellowship. I have friends in the ministry who understand the we do not agree on many issues and we are willing to let it go: at times we even harass one another joyfully, "there is that Ruckmanite again"....this one thing I know.. Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them.  plus I know one more thing; we are by our own words brethren and I don't think there will be sections in heaven so we don't have to speak! may as well get to liken one another down here. somebody give me a thought for sundays message ! I will by Gods grace not bother you with this thread any longer. have a blessed day.

I would like to get a penny for my thoughts, but don't expect any change back.
the reason in season and out , as well as myself and some others called bible believers agree along the same lines is  basically due to our method of study which is based upon 2nd Timothy 2:15 ..." rightly dividing the word of truth"...  for example, we believe that what paul wrote to the church was just that , it was to the church and should not apply to the Jews or to Gentiles until they become a part of the church.
when our Lord said in matthew 24:13 "But He that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved." he was clearly not speaking to the church but rather to the Jews .
If I get a credit card bill in my mail box that is addressed to brother Jim , I can learn a lot from reading it, however I am not responsible to pay the bill because it is not addressed to me.
we simply believe the key to understanding scripture is knowing who is speaking, who is spoken to, and what is he saying. If the scripture is not applied this way then many bible truths become misplaced and produce heresies . that is why the church of Christ teaches water baptism as part of salvation, its why the charismatics speak in tongues....... every heresy is a truth misplaced.
ALL of the bible is written for our learning , but it is not all directed to the church.
when the rich young ruler came to the Lord and asked him how to attain eternal life ,what the Lord did not say was believe the death, buriel , and resurrection, because it did not apply because the Lord was standing there in the flesh speaking to him,
while you may not agree with our method or approach I feel it is important to understand where we are coming from.
Heb. 11:1 says " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." so in the Mill. when Jesus is sitting on the throne of David , they will see him! and if it is sight it is no more of faith.
now concerning O T salvation. look at Ez. 3:20 Again when a righteous man ( right with God) doth turn from his righteousness ( go back in sin) and commit iniquity , and I lay a stumbling block before him,he shall die:because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin,and his righteousness WHICH HE HATH DONE, shall not be remembered; ....." this is one of the verses that charismatics teach for loosing salvation , the only problem is that it does not apply to the church.
brethren with all humility and truthfulness in my heart , the sole purpose here is that you understand why we ( I) believe what we believe and that even if you disagree we can agree that we disagree and have fellowship and rejoicing over the fact that we could still be cursing and fighting with cue sticks at bubbas bar.(no offence to all the bubbas and their husbands ) but we are fellowshipping over the precious words of God.  And I am not worthy!! be blessed.

I really need to add to this:
Most people don't realise that the wives of Pastors bear an incredibly heavy burden, and most people simply don't realise that these precious "weaker vessels" are so easily broken and bruised by that pressure, and often try as he might the faithful pastor cannot protect her from these things.
Remember that these men and women are just men and women who want nothing more than to serve the Lord - but they are not "Special" people with strength and endurance beyond mere mortals.
Often the men double down and put up with it, because after all, it is what he was called to, but the wife - the help meet for him - sees the pressures on him and on their family, and she wants nothing more than to protect the man that the Lord has given her, but she can't and she feels that deeply.
 
Don't forget to pray for the wife of that man of God that you know - even if you can't see it, the life of that (hopefully godly) woman has pressures that most people just can't understand.

They will be taking a short sabattical to rest up. No one know where they are going as most Pastors end up preaching and ministering to people when they holiday. They need a complete break away and someone is giving them a place to hide away for a while.
I mostly wanted to remind people of this sort of situation and pressure that those who serve the Lord in ministry face.

I am not at liberty to give details but I have a friend in the ministry who is having struggles that are near to overwhelming him and his wife.
These struggles are coming from many directions and they are near to breaking point.
I know that they are not alone in this, so I would greatly encourage you to pray for any ministry men, couples, and families that you know of.
You just do not know the struggles they are hiding beneath their prayer letters.

please accept my apology brethren if I don't not agree with you and there be any offence, but obviously we are most likely grounded in our belief as I would kindly disagree with your rebuttals . so the questions is whether we can accept what we clearly believe to be error from each other and be done with this saga. as I posted  my purpose was to simply declare our stand, and not to argue the point. I am sure there are many areas where we do agree and can have good fellowship. I have friends in the ministry who understand the we do not agree on many issues and we are willing to let it go: at times we even harass one another joyfully, "there is that Ruckmanite again"....this one thing I know.. Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them.  plus I know one more thing; we are by our own words brethren and I don't think there will be sections in heaven so we don't have to speak! may as well get to liken one another down here. somebody give me a thought for sundays message ! I will by Gods grace not bother you with this thread any longer. have a blessed day.

Personally, I like the free meal Baptist!!!!!

I am a pastor, looking for a place of fellowship ( not battleship ) if I have wronged anyone please accept my humble apology! my desire is to encourage and be encouraged, I am a bible believing Baptist, and I take the word of God literally where possible , when not ,I take it spiritually.first and foremost I am a born again Christian, I am not afraid of debates in its time and place. no one has to agree with everything I say as long as I am in a place where I have a right to say it. if I am addressing someone or being addressed I don't think others should have to wonder in confusion about what is said or meant. I love the church that God died for and hope the Lord is pleased with the time I spend in conversation with others of like faith. if this meets with the approval of this board and you would be pleased then I would like to give it another try, be blessed , Pastor Dr. Joe Coley

I am a pastor, looking for a place of fellowship ( not battleship ) if I have wronged anyone please accept my humble apology! my desire is to encourage and be encouraged, I am a bible believing Baptist, and I take the word of God literally where possible , when not ,I take it spiritually.first and foremost I am a born again Christian, I am not afraid of debates in its time and place. no one has to agree with everything I say as long as I am in a place where I have a right to say it. if I am addressing someone or being addressed I don't think others should have to wonder in confusion about what is said or meant. I love the church that God died for and hope the Lord is pleased with the time I spend in conversation with others of like faith. if this meets with the approval of this board and you would be pleased then I would like to give it another try, be blessed , Pastor Dr. Joe Coley

brother Jim, this is Pastor Coley, I will not make implications so you can try to figure out who is he referring to. I am not a novice and have been in the ministry and studying this book for 30 years. I have a BA , MA AND 2 PHDS and trashed them all because they were unscriptural as best as I understood. from an IFB school. I haven't bashed anyone here because they disagree with me, my desire was to (be a help and blessing as a teacher of the word. it is however obvious that if I do not agree with the doctrines of this board that I am a heretic , ( them , the some, the they,.....) I have on big boy pants, and have tried to with kindness  say where I stand, and at least promote thought. so I will bow out and find fellowship where it is ok to do so. be blessed brethren . pastor Coley

I wouldn't let it bother you Jim. I haven't seen a repeated poster on this forum lately that wasn't a self-described "man of God" in some form or fashion. IOW: an expert that won't be told different. Seems new folks that are not some sort of self described "man of God" with boldness get run off long before they can absorb any teaching or share any thoughts. Seriously, there are now more moderators on this forum than active posters it seems.
The latest thread topics I have seen are peripheral issues and not of the "fundamental" variety so it doesn't help the sharing of ideas when a moderator accuses those who don't see things the way you have been taught of being part of this "falling away". To be blunt Jim, if you think these disagreements are the falling away referenced in 2 Thess 2 then you seriously need to get out of the house more. How could you take the abuse one receives when they really preach the Word on the streets to the lost if you can't handle minor disagreement over minor issues from other believers over the internet without getting depressed? If there is a city of any size where you live, spend a Saturday on main street with Gospel signs and you will see first hand what the falling away really is.
Basically this is a forum full of chiefs without any Indians to teach. Take it all with a grain of salt and realize it is simply a pass-time and not to be taken personally. Narcissism drives depression so the only cure is to think less of ourselves and our opinions and we will be much happier. Remember, depression always results from taking ones self too seriously.
Also keep in mind that by your own admissions you are significantly less traveled than others on this forum so it makes no sense to qualify yourself as some kind of keeper of IFB distinctives or teachings? Having been the member of what? two churches maybe three your entire life? Come on Jim, I doubt you have any idea the variances of belief among fundamental Baptists out there. Doesn't mean they are not saved, not IFB or not sincere. Face it Jim, you have some kooky ideas that most wouldn't consider agreeing with yourself and they have come out at times here. Example: tracing modern "baptist" churches to John the Baptist or your stand on Christmas trees and whatnot. These variances have nothing to do with the virgin Birth, Deity of Christ, new birth, eternal security, etc..and most importantly none of these variances are new. You would think just like them had you been raised in their churches. No? tell me when the last time was that you actually disagreed with and contended with your own pastor?....Exactly. I hope this little illustration helps you understand that IFB covers allot more ground than your little country church teachings.
Because of this I also recommend that we not delude ourselves into thinking we are defending the faith once delivered to the saints in these peripheral debates. On this forum, all we are really defending is our own opinions of these issues. Everyone here claims regeneration and indwelling and study so what gives?  I have read the posts in these latest threads and can see why each party sees the issues differently. I usually don't agree with either side completely to be honest but it is still interesting sometimes and things have been learned that may not otherwise have been. This thread of speculation over how people in the OT, and the Gospels got regenerated (if they did at all) is just that - speculation. Until someone can produce OT (only) Scripture that clearly explains they believed exactly what we believe now (only we do in hindsight-see the difference?) and were regenerated just like us now, this subject will always be speculation, peripheral and of little import for us now.
Perhaps everyone should just relax and try to persuade with Scripture and not emotion.....if the Scripture won't change minds then add some prayer for each other. If that still doesn't work...keep praying. If all else fails perhaps we should prayerfully consider what the opposing opinions are saying and study it out thoroughly. You never know, we may learn something new. At the very least we would be better prepared to attempt correction if we truly researched the matter ourselves (in the Bible and not other men's book opinions) instead of jumping the gun with name calling and accusations.
Just some input from one of the only self described regular joes on this forum.

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Peter Ruckman was not hyper-dispensational he was moderate! he preached against hyper. if we would do what God said and rightly divide the word of truth we would all be moderate, I learned right division before I ever knew of Dr. Ruckman .frankly my brother you should not speak of matters you are not sure of. with kindness, pastor coley

I was preaching a revival meeting in Barrow Alaska last year, and was astonished at the way the schools had all of the children in that place literally scared to death that ice caps were going to melt a they were all going to drown in a flood! so one night we took a glass of ice and filled it with water like we do with tea down south. I asked the church how many believed that when the ice melts it will over flow the glass. well to my surprise they all raised their hands. but they were shocked when the water level dropped!! look I don't know much about the scientific parts but I can promise you this: God never created an earth that he can not sustain until he is ready to b urn it up !!

I was preaching a revival meeting in Barrow Alaska last year, and was astonished at the way the schools had all of the children in that place literally scared to death that ice caps were going to melt a they were all going to drown in a flood! so one night we took a glass of ice and filled it with water like we do with tea down south. I asked the church how many believed that when the ice melts it will over flow the glass. well to my surprise they all raised their hands. but they were shocked when the water level dropped!! look I don't know much about the scientific parts but I can promise you this: God never created an earth that he can not sustain until he is ready to b urn it up !!

The church did not begin with John the Baptist. I am not a Baptist brider. John baptized to reveal the messiah to Israel,see John 1:31 the church began at Pentecost and was later revealed to paul . we baptize because it is a ordinance of the church , but we are Christians because we follow Christ.. 1st Corinthians 12:13 is not a water baptism but a Spiritual that places us into the body of Christ.

I was washed in the blood of The Lamb Of God, Feb, 1986 while in an alcohol treatment center on a six week detox. see " unshackled, the Joe Coley story"  my uncle who later became my only pastor until his death a few years ago would come by every other day and quote scriptures. after two weeks of that, one day I was expecting him to come by ,but the Holy Spirit came in his place. by the side of my bed , on my knees I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior! that is the short of it.

I was washed in the blood of The Lamb Of God, Feb, 1986 while in an alcohol treatment center on a six week detox. see " unshackled, the Joe Coley story"  my uncle who later became my only pastor until his death a few years ago would come by every other day and quote scriptures. after two weeks of that, one day I was expecting him to come by ,but the Holy Spirit came in his place. by the side of my bed , on my knees I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior! that is the short of it.

I was washed in the blood of The Lamb Of God, Feb, 1986 while in an alcohol treatment center on a six week detox. see " unshackled, the Joe Coley story"  my uncle who later became my only pastor until his death a few years ago would come by every other day and quote scriptures. after two weeks of that, one day I was expecting him to come by ,but the Holy Spirit came in his place. by the side of my bed , on my knees I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior! that is the short of it.

Repentance. 
Psalm 126:5-6. There is no joy without tears, and when was the last time you were in a church service where the members were completely broken over their sin, their coldness, their spiritual and intellectual arrogance and the refusal of the Holy Spirit to put His stamp of approval on their "correct" activity?

the most important thing in life is truth! never go to a church where the pastor of that church doesn't know which bible to use.If it is King James only, there is hope.

I am new at this stuff , signed in as IFB , but options were limited. I prefer BBB ( bible believing Baptist ) as in King James Bible.hope it does not offend
anyone here. I am a pastor at UCLA ( upper corner of lower Alabama ) for 19 years now. Before that I spent ten years in a tent ministry. glad to meet ya'll.

I am new at this stuff , signed in as IFB , but options were limited. I prefer BBB ( bible believing Baptist ) as in King James Bible.hope it does not offend
anyone here. I am a pastor at UCLA ( upper corner of lower Alabama ) for 19 years now. Before that I spent ten years in a tent ministry. glad to meet ya'll.