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  1. Can I answer your question with a question? How are the "tribulation saints" saved after the rapture? Faith alone?
  2. Here is my humble answer. While I agree salvation was by grace through faith before the law was given, but after the law was given, they couldn't just have faith and reject God's commandments. They needed a sin offering , shedding of blood of an animal of some sort to cover their sin. (While no one ever goes to heaven apart from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, how his blood is applied differs in each dispensation). Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels
  3. The church im a part of is so big, a single building cannot contain us.... know what I mean? I don't go to a "church building" anymore. There was an IFB church I went to a few times that's good, but its an hour away and I can't afford to drive there every week. Theres been a few churches in town i went to , but in all good conscience cannot attend. I think I said a few things about it here and elsewhere on this site... I don't remember. But that's all i want to say. I don't feel like, or even feel comfortable talking about it with someone i don't know. Hope you understand. I've
  4. Brother, in no way was this the case. If you look back over the last few posts, you'll see we have a lot of agreements. Sure I ask a lot of questions but I believe they were important to the discussion. Sorry we didn't see that the same way.
  5. ohhkay... sorry about that. Thanks for clarifying. My point in using Matt. 10 was to say the early church consisted only of Jews. This is an easy fact. The 12 disciples were all Jews. This was all I was saying with this scripture. (but you said : "I feel, that you are trying to get around, or complicate, this doctrine by miss-using typology, Matthew 10:5& 6Acts 1:5 and 1 Corinthians 12:13 to say something they are not saying " as if you believe otherwise than what the text plainly said. Obviously Jesus had dealings with the Samaritans, but it does not contradict Matt 10, - but anyway this
  6. Yes i already understand this. I did say Stephen was not referring to the NT church Correct.... you misunderstood me.... Yes "at the moment of the death of Christ it was possible" ; "to be a part of the body of Christ" .... but that did not actually happen UNTIL Pentecost, in other words, AT Penetecost, even though as Eph. 2:16 says it was made possible by the Cross. Absolutely Ephesians 2:16-20, is basically in short summary, saying Jews and Gentiles are now one body, made possible by the cross. 19-20 "Now therefore ye (Gentiles) are no more strangers and foreigne
  7. Okay, now we're getting somewhere :) I agree with everything on your post above, except I still think we should discuss Acts 7:38 more, in how they were "the church.." I agree, but this is where it gets technical and confusing I the sense that terms need to be defined. I agree Jesus did not build the "NT church in the wilderness" , but I believe he did "call out" (maybe not necessarily "build") the church in the wilderness (Israel - not NT church) Not to get sidetracked by the Godhead, but "the angel of the Lord" ( Exodus 3:2-6) was said to bring Israel out of Egypt. And the
  8. Sure, thanks for asking the way you did. Quick question though which will determine how I respond.. Do you believe that OT Jews were saved by looking forward to the cross ? Or are you saying they were just saved by faith?
  9. Well first nay i politely ask why didn't you answer my questions? ... And I knew how you were using those scriptures to falsely assume OT Jews were saved by faith and not the law. (BTW: Baptists are not the final authority. The Bible is. You know that. I know that :) But dealing with the scriptures you posted in Galatians. I know the context of Galatians, Jews were trying to put Christians back under the law. Christians are not under the law, but Jews were! - Even reference any orthodox Jew today, he will not tell you he is saved by "faith alone". The word faith only appears twice in the
  10. I'm new here so idk what this is all about... I hope ive contributed to some good discussions, but if anyone thinks my posts are the "worse" ones, then it'd be nice for them to let me know ... only one person has reached out and communicated with me. Other than that, i just joined this site for fellowship, and idk if this is what im looking for here.... I'm enjoying the discussions so far... sure we have some disagreements, but that's no reason to be contentious.
  11. I feel this same way. I just want to make it clear I never said this. ( I know my original post is long and there are becoming many comments on this thread so again, so again I don't even know who said this but it wasn't me)
  12. Ok. I agree with everything on the first section called "The beginning of the church". But with your quote I cited, is the church in effect AT Mt. 16:18 ? Or PRIOR to 16:18 ? Or is the church yet future... "...I will build..." ? Secondly does the church only consist of Israel (up until the gospel goes to Gentiles with Paul obviously) With this in mind, is it fair to say the church was Israel ? I would say prior, - Acts 7:38 which I quoted many times.... this is why I asked you " are these 2 DIFFERENT churches? I agree with everything in the 2nd section "The Prophet and messenger.
  13. Ok, thanks for clarifying... To speak plainly, Yes - When a believer is indwelt with the Spirit, he is born again. Being born again, is not apart from being indwelt with the Spirit. This is clear from the OT examples I gave... The Spirit was only upon them, rested upon, or fell upon, etc... the OT saints. They were not indwelt... the Spirit could (and did) leave, this is why I say they were not "born again". They were saved, but born again. The OT Jews could lose the Spirit (Psalm 51:11) thus they would lose the "new birth" of being born again. There was no eternal security in the OT. To
  14. I know about all this. I disagree. Not one of those quotes are from the OT. The Bible shows progressive revelation. Anyway, I did say this is another thread, and id rather put debates aside, yet for some reason you bring it up? Plus you never even answered the questions I asked you before ... so I don't know how I should respond to this.
  15. I hope this is not referring to me, because I have not even discussed all these subjects, in detail at least... Also Jesus started the church in the wilderness. May I ask you to address these questions?
  16. Thank you. I agree. You've confirmed what I believe, as this topic came up elsewhere. However I have a question concerning your statement : Do you remember where in the OT this happened? I've read the OT but I don't recall anywhere when anyone was born again, or indwelt with the Spirit. Several places it says "the Spirit of the LORD came upon.." (Judges 3:10 ; 6:34 ; 11:29) or etc. There are different ways it's said but basically says the Spirit of the LORD " came upon me , is upon me ; or rest upon me ; or fell upon me " etc... It seems to me that being indwelt by the Spirit
  17. So are these 2 different churches? How so? Is Israel a "church" by definition? How is this different than the NT church? When did the church in the wilderness end? It seems to me the church in the wilderness was where they were at, at that time. They weren't the church when they were only in the wilderness and not after that... Israel was always a church after they were called out of Egypt. These are a lot of questions, but they are honest questions. They are not to cause debate, but to learn. I simply used Hebrews 4:8 to say Jesus was with Israel. Jesus is the captain of the LORD's
  18. Yeah I noticed what you meant... I edited my post above.... Thank you. Again thanks, but like I said, an honest mistake... But I never claimed to be a teacher... in fact I said my post was a "rough draft" and at the beginning... I posted this for fellowship, im new to this site and new to this position I hold in my post. I'm open to correction. But I asked for correction in meekness. There's a right and a wrong way to go about correcting a brother. Many are rude and sarcastic, and theres a time and reason for that. But this is an area where we can disagree without
  19. Wow thanks for your kind words... like I said : please elaborate. and give scripture! *edit Ok I see what you mean... all you had to say is the scriptures I gave above to your reply say "baptized with the Holy Ghost" - not "of" That's an honest mistake I didn't realize. Haven't you had your share? But that's no reason to yoke me up with false teachers and say im careless. The correct reading is "with" - but what is "of" ? I would figure it has the same meaning. If you know otherwise please share. To be honest your comment caused strife towards me, and I'm trying to be
  20. And you hold that against me ? When I read the bible, why would I believe someone has the Spirit, when the bible doesn't say someone has the Spirit? :) I cannot in all honesty make that assumption. I appreciate that. But yes I strongly believe the OT Jews were saved by faith and keeping the law. I'm aware of the position you hold. But that's another thread, and id rather put debates aside. Chapter and verse? Please elaborate
  21. 1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." How is a believer baptized into the body of Christ? And when did this first happen in the Bible? Is being baptized with the Spirit mean you are born again? Does this include water?
  22. I agree Nicodemus was not saved, nor born again. Nicodemus had no idea what being born again was (John 3:4). While I also agree the Spirit convicts men of sin in any dispensation, this does not mean they are born of the Spirit, just because they are convicted of sin by the Spirit. (I don't think that's what you were saying...?) And Adam to the last man on earth is born of the Spirit? Are you included lost sinners? Jesus said to the Pharisees (Jews) in John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do...." They were hypocrites, and had many problems.
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