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  1. Lets see...... First of all, Paul is writing to a church, not to a city wide council or anything... EPh1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: you see, before anything was laid out,God had His plan in place, See also John 6:37,39,44,65 Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, You cannot read the early parts of the chapter and come away from anything other than a Reformed view. Ha, i read your "refutation" and it was sophomoric at best. What you did in your reply was do nothing more than take away God's sovereignty and put the power of salvation in man's hands. but let me ask you, how can a man in flesh please God when Scripture says it can't. to Me YOUR hermenutics is waaaay off base.
  2. Actually, it's you who is employing a "rope-a-dope". I have engaged in the discussion, brought forth Scripture and church history, and you claim, falsely, bad hermanutics on my behalf. its also laughable, the same crowd here who earlier bemoaned the fact about my apologetic, the same people mind you, who are too afraid to engage in "intellectualism", is claiming I'M the one running???? I'm looking to go toe-to-toe....It's you guys who are running.....
  3. Predestinated Greek=proorizō to predetermine, decide beforehand in the NT of God decreeing from eternity to foreordain, appoint beforehand You notice in vs.11, it doesnt hinge on a "personal decision"
  4. This is a stretch in logic. Most of people in an independent Babptist churches are mostly following Scofeild. I know I know, you claim to be reading your Bible. But mostly it's through the lens of Scofeild. There is no Dispensationalism taught anywhere in church history before him.that is why most people in our churches, despise church history.
  5. I see you don't address Eph 1 here. And for a lack of time, I'll address later. You are twisting what the Scriptures say I am not being aggressive. Sorry you took it as such.
  6. John 6: 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. who is doing the giving? Who initiated the process? God John6:63 actually says it's the spirit that gives life, not of the flesh John 10:28 it is God that gives eternal life. Romans 9: 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, You can not; I repeat CAN NOT, read this and come thinking anything other than that it is God' sovereignty at work here. How anyone could read this and think that it's man's house is salvation is either a liar or they are reading their traditions into the Scriptures
  7. No, you did not finish the conversation or settle anything. Go back and re-read what Joshu said, "If you weren't going to serve God, then choose what god you would serve" and Unconditional election, as taughtnin John 6 and 10 and Romans 8 and 9 and Ephesians 1 is pretty much laid out there to study. That is always the go to areas in RT. Along with Ez 36. you really should study what Isaiah 5( is talking about, God's Word is powerful and it accomplishes what He intends to do.so if you take a sovereign God, you can take a thought like RT and that is why I struggle with it. I can understand when and where a sovereign God can choose from the foundations of the world eheresas a sinful man wouldn't choose God.
  8. Your first definition of apologeomai is to defend one's self, make one's defence to defend a person or a thing to give a full account of to calculate or consider well Apoligia is : verbal defence, speech in defence a reasoned statement or argument as you can see, itnis well thought out, it's not just a random shouting match of saying "you're wrong and I'm right". It argued from the Scriptures, hence the first part of 1 Peter, "sanctify the Lord in your hearts", arguing from Biblical basis, using that Words of God to convict the sinners. And remember when the Lird said His word would not return to Him void, it has 2 effects; it either gives life or it condemns.
  9. Please, provide some and let's discuss it. This is a very reasoned response that I respect. This is how we grow in Christ. Just shutting down conversations gets us nowhere. Let's talk about the hard things and things we don't agree with so we can sharpen our iron. When we run and shut down it just butter sharpening butter.
  10. I think the people who need to listen are no doing so. Their is more church history that goes all the way back to the early church with Reformed theology than the current state of American Dispensationalism, and it's not just Calvinism. The current culture here on this site has proven in this very thread that scholarly discussion or any form of intellectualism is frowned upon. Do you really think that the early church fathers were idiots? I'm not pushing any agenda here. I'm just trying to justify and rationalize what I see in Scripture. I see God having us to use our minds and our intelligence in serving Him, having an answer for anyone who asks us. How can you have an answer or some deep tjoughts if you are eveading a segment of society? These college kids that my son talks to are really on the ball and you better have an answer and be able to compete with their professors or they will just ignore you. Im very proud of my son for doing what he does. He has left his mother and I and has established his own way. He hasn't run into the world but has remained faithful. I actually have learned much from him in this way
  11. Not true, because in chapter 6 Christ says that that all He has the Father gave Him, keep reading in chapter 5, Christ explains why those people wouldn't come to Him, because they are not His. Chapter 5 and 6 are in context, one of the strongest points of Calvinism, those are the points that you are looking for in the OP.
  12. I'm not debating, I'm not trying to do anything. Im sorry if you took it as such, I just wanted an answer, a detailed answer as to why you wouldn't explain what Apollos and Paul did wouldn't be considered debating and why intellectualism is frowned upon. i won't engage any further with you.
  13. You have done nothing if the sort. Matter of fact, you admitted you gave up! Why? You gave up on God? Did Jesus lie when he said he would give us words to confound our enemies? Do you believe God is the very foundation of wisdom? or did the atheist defeat you? Did they confound you with their smooth speech? Or is Proverbs 26:5 a lie? I'm not interrogating anybody. I just see a lot of assertions being made with no explanation to anything. You didn't explain Paul and Apollos, you just said you weren't them. We are told to contend for the faith, to earnestly contend. would you be passionate if I went on an anti KJV tirade? I think you would.
  14. can you explain to me then Apollos in Acts 18? shows him confuting the Jews, no mention of anyone being saved.... How abut Paul in chapter 9?..... So either you just deified Paul or you are you are denying responsibility for the Gospel that has been entrusted to the Church....So, what is it? You don't need to prove, they already know.(Acts 1:18)you have to expose their worldview for what it is. that's the prove. That's the Gospel. Good, so you agree with Scripture that the Reformers teach. That it is God that gives life, it's not a choice...it's repentance. 2Tim 2:25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth
  15. I am not trying to win anything. You made an assertion that we are not to involved in debates; I showed you Scripture that disproved your assertion. Then I challenged your position that we "overthinking" theology. I hate the fact that we as IFB have the reputation of being anti-intellectual. We have no knowledge outside of God! He is the very foundation of knowledge. Psalm 110. It is simple, the unbeliever already knows God exists. Rom 1:18. He is suppressing the knowledge of God and the atheist must have his presuppositions challenged to expose the inconsistency in his worldview. At times it frustrates me that we as IFB that we retreat into a "separation" mentality. When we do that we are actually disobeying the Great Commission. Read what I wrote above, it has nothing to do with faith, they know God exists! They are suppressing the knowledge of God. for your last point, you are wrong, dead wrong. People are born depraved, they are sinners, they can not please God, they have rejected him. God did not force them to sin, Scripture says that men love their sin.

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