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Disciple.Luke

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  1. Oh I completely agree. I occasionally watch YouTube videos of these guys for entertainment purposes. The compilations they've done on Jim Bakker and his guest's are beyond normal and hilarious watching him trying to sell those food buckets for thousands of dollars. Copeland and hIs crew are on a different level. Between him, his wife, and Billy Bryne (spelling?)...I can't stand to watch them for more than ten minutes.
  2. It seems like most church growth here is mostly from people switching churches. I see people go up to get prayed for after the sermon but it doesn't seem like many get saved that way. We do have a lot of baptisms and people getting saved because of K-12 school that is a ministry of the church and literally attached to it. The teachers must have academic credentials and be a member in good standing at the church. The salvation of the kids that attend there is just as high of a priority as the education, and the church is used for many school activities to show the kids the relationship between the two. Sometimes the parents will get saved as well as a result of the child's decision.
  3. We have a Disciples of Christ congregation here whose Pastor is a openly gay and married homosexual but when I their "advertisements" they come off as very traditional in belief. That congregation is growing and has influence with the city officials and the "elite" business people. Where I live was the headquarters for the Wesleyan Holiness denomination Church of God and where their main university is. They started out very conservative but have shift mostly to progressive or social gospel. The church of Gods most prominent members are the Gaithers and Sandy Patty. I know they are not pastors or teachers but they still have influence...Bill and Gloria Gaither and Sandy Patty. As far as televangelists Kenneth Copeland bothers me more than even Joel. It's no wonder people hate our faith so much when all they see are money diggers like Copeland, Duplantis, Dollar, and the rest of them.
  4. Yes Joel Osteen is very misleading to biblically illiterate people. The mindset he uses by insisting that it's better to talk about good instead sin is absurd, and one of the main reasons many local churches are losing members rapidly. If church is just a weekly feel good seminar than there's no reason you can't just stay home and watch Joel. Several years ago there was church here that was very popular with people my age. One friend invited me to attend describing it as a "feel good seminar for the week with rock music". Of course I declined the invitation because that's not what I would consider a biblical church. Never talking about sin is dangerous. Why would anyone feel the need to get saved if they keep hearing that God loves them just who they are? I think Pastors need to be cautious about be MORE forgiving than Jesus was. If people in the pews aren't feeling even slightly uncomfortable for serious sins because you don't want to offend anyone...then you are in the wrong profession. Every liberal "Christian" wants to try to overlook sin by claiming we are the type of people who would throw the first stone at the woman caught in adultery, but even after Jesus forgave her....they like to ignore that he told her to "go and sin no more".
  5. Thanks for posting this! Justin Peters has several videos exposing these frauds for what they really are. My aunts and uncles were raised believing they are Baptist, but don't have a clue what it means to be one. They don't attend church or read their bibles but are always sharing some "inspirational" quote on Facebook by one of those false teachers. It is very disheartening to know so many claiming to be Christian can support any of these people.
  6. i honestly never felt like street preaching where I live would be effective in my area. I have a!ways preferred conversations over presentations when witnessing to someone, but I would use tracts mostly to give them towards the end of the conversation hoping maybe they would give it some thought later on. Ive encountered many people who will willingly engage in a spiritual conversation but refuse to take the tract for some reason. Then there have been a few times that I would just hand people tracts with less discussion which at times I would just find them thrown on the ground or in the trash nearby. When our previous Pastor was shepherding our congregation we had access to The Exchange tracts by Jeff Musgrave (from BJU) and along with the tracts we had all the study book series available for us to use if we found someone who got saved. This equiped us to be able to immediately do discipleship lessons with the new believer. Our new Pastor recently made it a priority to have our own tracts with our specific information on them. I haven't had a chance to look at many of them to see who authored or printed the new ones but I will definitely look Sunday and see.
  7. Brother Tony like probably most people on here I can certainly relate to your situation. My father and younger brother both seem to have no interest in salvation whatsoever. When my mother and laws brother died to my surprise my father called me. This is a man who isn't good at showing emotion or expressing feelings but on this night he was hurt and looking for a reason these terrible things happen. That was the only chance I've ever had to talk about Jesus with him and his mind was open hoping my faith could make sense of a tragic death. I embraced the moment and shared the Gospel without holding anything back. His heart was being pricked for answers and I tried my best to answer them biblically. I don't know if that night had any spiritual effect on my father because like I said he just doesn't discuss things like that. He's getting up there in age and pray with all my heart that at some point he has surrendered his life to our Lord and Savior. While my father would probably fall into the agnostic category my brother and his wife consider themselves Pagan followers of the Norse God Odin. My brothers Facebook profile picture says "I'd rather be a wolf of Odin than a Lamb of God". Despite my brothers beliefs he has never been hostile towards mine but his wife made it very clear to me once that "my Christian God" wasn't welcome in their home. My brother and I hardly see each just from being busy with life but it makes it nearly impossible to talk about the Lord when his wife is there to counteract. My brother has always been my best friend and we were closer than most siblings could imagine so it breaks my heart to not be able to reach him with the Gospel. My mother used to attend church many years ago but it was a Church of God (Anderson, IN.) congregation that is Wesley- Arminian in theology and do a poor job at presenting the Gospel because their beliefs have slowly allowed progressive and social theology drastically change the message they started out with. I have never seen my mother pray or even read the Bible...not once. She doesn't talk about her faith but when she does her beliefs are not biblical or severely distorted. The problem with talking about the Gospel with her is that she thinks she already knows everything and as long as she's a "good person" heaven awaits. I wish I could help by giving you advice about talking to your family but I unfortunately have the same problem myself. It's easier for me to walk up to complete stranger and start a conversation to purposely be a able share the Gospel, but my family just refuses to talk about or in mom's case has made up her own view of the bible and not open to other interpretation.
  8. In several threads I've noticed your posts come across as argumentative, and that's the impression I've got just from interacting with you here. It certainly felt like a debate after you suggested that I am spreading false information that needed to be confronted.
  9. Every thread on this board is full of people's opinions and in most cases good points can be argued for differing views so there's no point of debating. Unless the person opinion is complete blasphemy and without merit the one person's opinion of another is just that - a personal opinion. I am not a fan of Constitatine either but I know many Christians who believe he was a sincere believer. And I don't disagree that Roman Catholicism has been a disgrace to the name of Christ and Pope Francis still continues down that path. There are too many false teachings and groups to mention in a single post and I chose to specifically speak on JWs because in the original post that you took issue with I was replying specifically to SureWords post where he mentioned both JWs and LDS.
  10. Like I said in my previous post I have no desire to argue or debate over a post where I explained my own opinion and why. You keep bringing up things that having nothing to do with the comment in my post. I was talking specifically about groups that impose works and deny the bodily resurrection of Christ but claim to be "Christian". And I asked specifically who were talking about just so I could understand your position better.
  11. The Jehovah's witnesses may not be violent killers but they still have blood on their hands. An unknown amount members and their children have died from rejecting blood transfusions to please the "Watchtower". Who knows how many JWs have committed suicide because their family disfellowshiped them. Also the endless allegations of child abuse and rape keep coming out. When I said "more than" I was referring to their rejecting the basics of a false gospel by emphasizing endless works on members AND complete denial of the literal bodily resurrection of Christ. I suppose the "ecumenical world church" could have a just a dangerous false gospel as the JWs but I still have no idea who you are specifically referring to. Also in that post I was just giving my personal opinion NOT making a definitive claim. I wasn't looking to debate or argue anything.
  12. I will Google "ecumenical world church" because I'm still not sure what groups you are referring to. My opinion about the Jehovah's witnesses was based on the false gospel qualifiers that SureWord correctly mentioned in his post.
  13. By ecumenical work church are you referring to mainline protestants?
  14. You're welcome. I just appreciated that you inquired about where the information came instead of just wanting to believe it is true.
  15. I must admit that I am not familiar with the other 37 versions of the Quran, but if they exist I would love to be able to understand what exactly is different. I wonder if they are clerical punctuation errors or if they include contradictory "revelations" compared to the common text of today. If there are major theological implications I am surprised that Islamic sects like the Ahmadiyyas, Shia, Sufis, and even the Baha'i scholars have not searched these others versions out looking for differences that would support the validity of their beliefs over Sunni Islam. As far as an apologetic issue I personally wouldn't put too much weight behind these various versions to discredit the Quran and convert Muslims. The current accepted text of the Quran is already as false as any other version in my opinion and Muslims still largely believe it is divinely inspired. I feel like the average Muslim would completely dismiss the idea of there being other versions or would just see them as a fabrication produced by anti Muslims. If these other versions exist then I have no doubt that the Sunni Islamic scholars are aware of their existence and so it would appear they are ignoring and unconcerned about the differences. Im not sure I buy into the idea that Muhammad never actually existed although I am open to be proven wrong. Just based on the biographies I've read about him and the many historical events and places that are linked to his direct descendants it's hard to imagine how the Pagan Arabians could fabricate an entire bloodline and religious influence based on someone who didn't exist. Maybe if his influence was isolated to the Mecca and Medina areas I might be able to fathom it, but knowing that his nephews impacted the world as far away as Iraq with all of the historical burial sites there around Karbala it seems unlikely. I have always believed he existed and was a founder of a false religion that he helped expand and change the entire society of the Arabian country. There is one thing I have always wondered about him though...his motive. For years I have debated in my head if he completely made the Quran with his own mind and knowledge or if a demon transmitted the Quran to him disguised as an Angel. The claims of Joseph Smith and Muhammad are so so similar that I can't help to wonder if Mormonism and Islam came from men or messengers from Hell?
  16. Among all the different groups claiming they are Christian it's hard for me to think of any group who teaches and believes a false Gospel more than the Jehovah's witnesses. They burden the rank and file with hours of meetings, door to door ministry, and publications to study for the Sunday meetings. They also lead the way in denying Jesus bodily resurrection by teaching that his earthly body was "dissolved" in the tomb and was recreated into the "spirit creature" and Angel Micheal. Ive attended their form of Easter celebration simply called the memorial a few times. During the memorial the bread and glass of wine is passed around but only the 144,000 are supposed to partake. Since those anointed 144,000 have mostly died off the emblems get passed from one person to another and no one partakes. I can not think of any religious observance that I would classify more readily as a "black mass" than the JW memorial. The millions of people who participate and just pass the bread and wine on are symbolically rejecting Christ and his command to remember him. I also wanted to respond to where you mentioned that the LDS believe Jesus was resurrected as an angel. I don't believe that is accurate. In LDS theology Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament and God of this Earth, and after his ressurection he resides on plant Kolob in glorified human body ruling with Heavenly Father called Elohim by LDS. Actual Adam was said to be the Archangel Micheal before "Elohim" sent him to earth to populate the world with Eve. I can only assume they believe Adam became Micheal again after his earthly death.
  17. I always get lost in theological thought when I hear Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus. Not because I believe it contains bad doctrine, but because I feel like it could give the impression to a non believer that Jesus shed blood is the single focal point for salvation. While Jesus blood was precious and necessary to the plan of redemption the shed blood was only a part of the overall atonement for our sins. I have always understood that when Jesus blood is mentioned in the bible in a redeeming manner it is pointing ultimately to the death of Jesus physical body. When I hear "Nothing But the blood" my mind goes to Old Testament sacrifices where the animals cause of death was blood loss. When Jesus paid the final sacrifice his blood was shed but his death wasn't from bleeding out since Jesus apparently voluntary ended his life by commiting his Spirit to the Father. It is also my understanding that the cause of death from crucifixion was a result of asphyxiation not bleeding to death. But like I said...I don't believe the hymn contains false doctrine because it's true the blood of Jesus saved us. In the same way when someone says we are saved by "the cross". That is also true that the crucified Lord is our savior, but we arent saved by the actual wood beams that formed the cross which held the Godman. The cross was only an instrument used to try to make his death come at the hands of Pharisees, Sadducees, and Rome but they failed and voluntarily gave up his physical life to atone for the sin of Adam.
  18. Thank you all three for your replies. I appreciate the help. @ Bouncing Bill - No, I've never heard of Foxes Book of Martyrs.
  19. Can anyone recommend an accurate book on the history of the church? I have always heard of the Trail of Blood book, but haven't had a chance to read it. If what it claims is true then that is certainly encouraging, but I've heard that it is full of errors. if anyone has a different opinion on the Trail of Blood I'd love to hear it. If there is a better book out there please let me know. I have been told that there has always been a remnant of true believers from the time o the Apostles to today that was never part of Roman Catholicism.
  20. Yes I agree that there wasn't any Quran in written form during Muhammad's life time. While he was living the Quran was mostly memorized or verses written down on anything available. My only point was that the first official written Quran was produced under the authority of the third caliph Uthman ibn Affan. I believe he decided to do compile a standard canon because after the death of Muhammad there started to be confusion about what was original taught as wrong verses crept in over time.
  21. Yes Muhammad apparently didn’t have much knowledge about Christianity. As you mention, then Quran believes that Mary was one part of the triune God.
  22. It’s my understanding that before the time of Uthman ibn Affan there were versions that were slightly different. We have to remember that back then in Saudi Arabia the Quran was stored in people’s memories because of its poetic and easily memorized. Even children today learn to memorize the Quran. If that was the case then I’m sure many people had forgotten or confused certain parts which was causing a lot of confusion about which was authentic. When Uthman became the third caliph he decided to examine and compile all the variations and was able to discern what belonged in the scripture and what did it. So Uthmans Quran is the one we have today.
  23. It has been my opinion for several years that Joseph Smith had some knowledge of Islam because of the similarities. Like you mentioned above - They say the Bible is corrupted and must be understood through a “new” scripture. They both talked about angels coming to them about the new scriptures they were to write, and both engaged polygamy, etc. im sure Joseph found a book or heard about the Mohammed and I Islam and turned it into a Christian form. Obviously Joseph copied several groups like the baptism view of the Stone Campbell movement, and freemasonry for the temple concept. So I definitely think he copied some of Islam in his “church”.
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