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  1. On 9/11/2021 at 6:04 AM, Brother Stafford said:

    It is clear that, many times, in the Old Testament, God found it appropriate for certain people to kill other people; even after He gave the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill;” as in the commands to kill the Canaanites and the Amalekites and for the reason of committing sins worthy of death; but it was when He commanded it.

    Think of a parent telling their child not to go into the street.  It’s a rule they have made for their child; except for when the parent holds the child’s hand and crosses the street with them.  The rule still applies, but the parent has the authority to apply exceptions for specific reasons.

    Paul, in Romans 13:1-4 and Acts 25:10-11, seems to support the right of the state to use capital punishment appropriately.

    In Luke 22:36-38, Christ tells His disciples to buy swords and, when they tell Him that they already have two of them, He says, “It is enough.”  He tells twelve disciples that two swords are enough; so, it would seem that, whatever His reason was for telling them to have swords, He didn’t seem to be telling them to rely on them, but, rather, to rely on the sword of the spirit; the Word of God.  If anything, those verses could be used to make a case against stockpiling weapons.

    I believe that Matthew 26:52 pertained to the disciples defending Christ with weapons.  He says, in the very next verse, that He could ask God to send legions of angels for that, if that’s what He wanted.

    By applying various other verses to the subject, I believe that Christ was telling His disciples to have weapons to defend themselves against certain kinds of violence.

    I think of it like this:  If I walk into a store and a gunman is threatening to kill people, it is my duty to use deadly force, if necessary, to end the threat.

    If a shooter is going through a school, and is shooting people, it is my duty to use deadly force, if necessary, to stop them.

    If a gunman is holding someone at gunpoint and says that they will kill them unless I renounce my faith, if I am unarmed and unable to stop them, I would offer myself as a substitute; but if that was not accepted, then I must maintain my faith and let the gunman do what he will; but, if I also am armed, then it is my duty to end the threat.

    In short, I believe that it is a Christian’s duty to save lives that are being threatened, unless unable to do so or if doing so would require him to renounce his faith.

    I do not, however, see any value in boasting about such things or finding joy in them.  I find even the practice of hunting for pleasure and hobby, most distasteful.  I believe we should be grateful for being able to provide for ourselves and our families, if that’s how we do it, or for being able to defend ourselves and others, but I don’t believe we are to use them as entertainment.

    Lest anyone think I am anti gun, I say these things as someone who carries concealed whenever I leave my house, and have been doing so for the past twelve years, but I pray to God that I will never have occasion to use it and, so far, I never have.  I also keep the fact that I even own a weapon to myself and only a handful of people in my life even know about it.

    While I don’t believe it is sinful to display, “Come and take it,” or other 2nd amendment kitsch, I find it to be a foolish and prideful display of machismo and that it does nothing for the cause of Christ.

    I am not dogmatic about any of this; this is just how I understand the scriptures.  I am always open to correction and instruction and, if I have misunderstood the Word of God, I will alter my beliefs accordingly.

    *edit - David Cloud’s thoughts on the Old Testament commands to wipe out certain people are very helpful.  They can be read here: “Is the God of the Old Testament Cruel?

    *note that most, if not all, of the reasons given for God’s judgement on those nations are being committed, in one way or another, by America.

    I'm all for our right to own and carry guns especially for self defense purposes.

    Back when people were walking into churches and killing the worshippers for no reason and without restraint I liked the idea that we had off duty officers in the pews with concealed guns just in case.

    When I started to hear that some Pastors decided to carry guns while preaching the sermon it didn't feel right to me. Just the idea of the Shepherd carrying a Glock as opposed to a "staff" felt a little hypocritical to me.

    My opinion later changed after I met Pastor  "Mac". Somehow in our conversation he mentioned to me that he had his gun on him every Sunday. I don't remember my exact response but I know I inquired why he felt it was necessary for him to be armed when there were other men who brought guns too. He basically explained that the reason was that he believed it was his responsibility to not only protect the flock spiritually but physically as well. He also brought up that because of the lay out of the building and sanctuary entrance he would be the first person to see a threat and react to it. After getting to know Mac I felt completely different about Pastors arming themselves.

    I'm sure many Pastors feel a responsibility to protect their congregations during church services. I was glad Mac wanted to protect us during worship, but it was a situation that occured outside of church that made me realize that my Pastors concern for his congregation went far beyond 40 minute talks and hospital visits.

    There was a situation about two years ago where my brothers wife's ex-husband told him that he was going to come to their house and kill everyone Including his own children. Being that my younger brother and I have been as  close to each other as any siblings could possibly be I was going to stand with and share the threat with him without hesitation. I suggested that we have his wife and the three children go stay at a hotel and I was going to spend the night there with him Incase the ex acted on the threat. 

    I called Mac later that day to explain the situation and asked him if he would please pray for our safety. He assured me that he would. To my surprise after he prayed he them immediately asked if I needed him to come over, bring his gun and insert himself in a very real and dangerous situation by staying the night to face the potential threat with us. There aren't words that even begin to describe how thankful and emotionally touched I was that my spiritual leader was willing to risk his life without hesitation out of concern of me being harmed or worse.

    Despite how grateful I was for his willingness to help I in turn declined his offer. This was man who I already respected as a preacher,  a missionary, a student of the Bible, a mentor, an author, etc.. and now as protector. It's really unfortunate that non believers only get exposed to Christianity through church scandals, televangelist frauds, abuse claims, and the nice preachers who don't judge people by not confronting sin because he loves you SO much that he don't even want to hurt your feelings. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of those pastors who seem sensitive, always positive, and are so loving that they would NEVER judge anyone aren't so "loving and caring" during the week once the office hours close. Many of them probably wouldn't even come help you change  a flat tire even if it deflated right in front of their house. They will tickle your ears by saying what they think you want to hear so church becomes a place where you come to hear how great you are every week so they can get paid.

    All the wrong "Christians" end up getting all the attention for all the wrong reasons and the non believers see it. Meanwhile they never hear bout the Pastor of a small church in a insignificant town. The leader who prefers you call him "Mac" instead of his religious title, and has a daughter going through a rough divorce like most imperfect normal families. He's the kind of man that just might confront your hidden sin in a sermon and you think he's personally attacking you or being too judgemental. The truth can hurt but it's still the truth and some pastors love you enough to tell it to you. 

     

    "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

      Greater love hath no man than this, That a man lay down his life for his 

      friends".        - John 15:12,13

     

     

     

    On 9/11/2021 at 6:04 AM, Brother Stafford said:

    It is clear that, many times, in the Old Testament, God found it appropriate for certain people to kill other people; even after He gave the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill;” as in the commands to kill the Canaanites and the Amalekites and for the reason of committing sins worthy of death; but it was when He commanded it.

    Think of a parent telling their child not to go into the street.  It’s a rule they have made for their child; except for when the parent holds the child’s hand and crosses the street with them.  The rule still applies, but the parent has the authority to apply exceptions for specific reasons.

    Paul, in Romans 13:1-4 and Acts 25:10-11, seems to support the right of the state to use capital punishment appropriately.

    In Luke 22:36-38, Christ tells His disciples to buy swords and, when they tell Him that they already have two of them, He says, “It is enough.”  He tells twelve disciples that two swords are enough; so, it would seem that, whatever His reason was for telling them to have swords, He didn’t seem to be telling them to rely on them, but, rather, to rely on the sword of the spirit; the Word of God.  If anything, those verses could be used to make a case against stockpiling weapons.

    I believe that Matthew 26:52 pertained to the disciples defending Christ with weapons.  He says, in the very next verse, that He could ask God to send legions of angels for that, if that’s what He wanted.

    By applying various other verses to the subject, I believe that Christ was telling His disciples to have weapons to defend themselves against certain kinds of violence.

    I think of it like this:  If I walk into a store and a gunman is threatening to kill people, it is my duty to use deadly force, if necessary, to end the threat.

    If a shooter is going through a school, and is shooting people, it is my duty to use deadly force, if necessary, to stop them.

    If a gunman is holding someone at gunpoint and says that they will kill them unless I renounce my faith, if I am unarmed and unable to stop them, I would offer myself as a substitute; but if that was not accepted, then I must maintain my faith and let the gunman do what he will; but, if I also am armed, then it is my duty to end the threat.

    In short, I believe that it is a Christian’s duty to save lives that are being threatened, unless unable to do so or if doing so would require him to renounce his faith.

    I do not, however, see any value in boasting about such things or finding joy in them.  I find even the practice of hunting for pleasure and hobby, most distasteful.  I believe we should be grateful for being able to provide for ourselves and our families, if that’s how we do it, or for being able to defend ourselves and others, but I don’t believe we are to use them as entertainment.

    Lest anyone think I am anti gun, I say these things as someone who carries concealed whenever I leave my house, and have been doing so for the past twelve years, but I pray to God that I will never have occasion to use it and, so far, I never have.  I also keep the fact that I even own a weapon to myself and only a handful of people in my life even know about it.

    While I don’t believe it is sinful to display, “Come and take it,” or other 2nd amendment kitsch, I find it to be a foolish and prideful display of machismo and that it does nothing for the cause of Christ.

    I am not dogmatic about any of this; this is just how I understand the scriptures.  I am always open to correction and instruction and, if I have misunderstood the Word of God, I will alter my beliefs accordingly.

    *edit - David Cloud’s thoughts on the Old Testament commands to wipe out certain people are very helpful.  They can be read here: “Is the God of the Old Testament Cruel?

    *note that most, if not all, of the reasons given for God’s judgement on those nations are being committed, in one way or another, by America.

    Sorry guys I accidentally posted the same post twice and it merged the two

  2. 3 hours ago, Totoosart said:

    You yourself quoted this, i have nothing more to say on that.

    Bless your heart,

    Totoo

    As for rebuking, that is a different subject and not related to judging people.

     

    I can't speak for SureWord, but I believe he is saying that the Matthew 7:1 rebuke about judging others has to be interpreted in the context of the rest of the chapter. Later in Matthew 7 Jesus tells us to beware of false teachers and that we would recognize them by their "fruits" which we clearly have to use humble discernment and judgment which leads to the need to rebuke false prophets.

    Jesus isn't saying that Christians can never make a judgement or turn a blind eye to false teaching or immorality. In context hes talking about the hypocritical judgement of the Scribes and Pharisees. 

    But you're right we shouldn't be quick to judge but if have to do so it needs to be done out of humility and with as much understanding and compassion as possible.

  3. 37 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

    1. I'm not a fan of intentionally using God, or His Word, for politically divisive posturing.  It appears that this woman is using God's Word as a prop for the purpose of exhibiting self righteousness and intentionally aggravating those who disagree with her.  A visual representation of the bumper sticker, "God, Guns & Country."  However, that is not what Scripture is fo

    I'm with you on that. 

    I remember feeling a little annoyed when Trump walked across the road from the white house (or wherever he was) and held that bible up while standing on the sidewalk. I'm not trying to bash Trump by any means but the few times I heard questions posed to him about the bible he side stepped the question by just kind of summarizing basic beliefs, and not to ,mention the biblical interpretations of his faith mentors like Paula White.

    When he did that it wasn't for the Christians be ause he already had their support for the most part so it felt like he was antagonizing the leftists more than anything. I'm sure Christianity didn't get any new believers because of that and most likely pushed people further way from Jesus since it felt like a political move.

  4. 4 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

    I think I'm logged in this time 🙂

    Do you believe what words or promises we make "as a country" ? !  

    Did God ever say in KJV to trust this country, or any country, or any government ? 

    Thank you. I see what you're asking now.

    And no I believe very little of what our country's leaders promise, and what their true intentions really are.

    I also realize that we are supposed to be subject to our leaders unless they try to force us to believe or act unbiblical. Unfortunately I don't think our leaders care about what the Bible teaches anymore and have so many prayers to different Gods in our government buildings that they have lost all focus of who to pray to bless and be merciful to our country. 

    Congressmen and women are allowed to pray to Allah, a plethora of Hindu Gods, or meditate in their office like Buddha in buildings paid for by taxpayers but I have pay to send my son to a IFB Private school because the PUBLIC schools won't allow prayer and can't figure who goes into which restrooms?

    Its to the point that I don't even want to listen to our leaders while they try to lie and make excuses. To make things worse the media and news just seems like an extension of the politicians to help shape and distort whatever they want us to believe.  

    It's seems like to get a hint of truth I have to read and watch media from other countries to try to decipher what is really happening in this world.

  5. 1 hour ago, Guest Thought_I_was_logged_in said:

    Good,  this is a necessary realization to make some particular progress (if or when someone might have thought or been taught otherwise) in spiritual life as directed in the Bible to all the disciples of Jesus. 

    Notice for good example , for instance ,  if available,  what a 3 year old raised right (if you can find one) , a little child,  thinks of politics and warfare and violence.

    Hope you come back as a guest and elaborate further, because I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say or how it's relevant to what you quoted from my post.

  6. On 8/25/2021 at 3:37 PM, PastorMatt said:

    "If you ever feel useless, remember it took 20 years, trillions of dollars and 4 US Presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban"

    Great quote that cuts to problem of the US going to war in the Middle East.

    It's easy in hindsight for me to say we never should've been in Afghanistan and Iraq, but in 2001 I wanted revenge like everyone else and supported the Bush administration

    All these years later I look back at what we accomplished and the lives we lost and it makes me feel uncomfortable.

    As an American the issue that bothers me most is how we end up abandoning nearly all of our allies in the region while the militaries we train for years get toppled by groups like ISIS and the Taliban.

    For example - The Kurds. They not only helped us defeat Sadaams army but were the ones pushing the ground assault on ISIS that pushed them all the back into Syria, and then we just left them like they had done nothing for us. The same with the Shia Muslims and militia's that helped us in the first gulf war who were later hunted down and killed by Sadaam Hussein.

    We spent all these years fighting in the middle east but when Russia rushed into Crimea and when our Ukrainian allies looked to us for the protection promised for their denuclearization we were no where to be found.

    I understand we shouldn't have been in Afghanistan and had to leave sometime but the way Biden pulled us out embarrasses me as an American and the cycle continues where we use people in other countries to get the result we want and then once we are finished we seem to care less about the vast majority of them.

    I don't see how any country would ever believe a single word or promise we make as a country.

  7. Yes there has always been opposition and different groups fighting for control of Afghanistan. I can remember shortly after 9/11 watching a documentary about Ahmad Shad Massoud ( who was later assassinated by the Taliban or Al Qaeda)who was the head of the Northern Alliance resistance even before we entered Afghanistan. I have repeatedly heard that Massoud  tried to warn the US about Al Qaeda attacks but no one took it seriously. His son is still leads that small army and the area that the Taliban we're never able to conquer and are still willing to fight the Taliban today.

    After the mujahedeen defeated the Soviets there were Muslims from all over the world settling there with different ideologies, so there is tension like in most Islamic countries where sects are fighting for power and influence. Like Yemen as an extreme example. 

    There is an interesting story related to the Taliban founder and leader Mohammed Omar that made him very popular and  even with people like Osama bin Laden  would refer to him as "Amir-ul-Momineen"  or the "commander of the faithful. Omar went to the Kirka Sharif shrine in Kandahar where under protection and locked away is the "Cloak of Muhammad" which for centuries is believed to be the one their prophet Muhammad had on during his Night Journey to the spot of the Dome of the Rock/Al Asqa Mosque in Jerusalem and then into heaven and back. Sometime in 1996 Mohammed Omar went to the shrine and was given permissions to hold it and he lifted it for all his Taliban students and local residents alike to see and from that time on the Taliban grew in popularity and Omar was seen as sort of a rightfully guided successor of prophet Muhammad. Even the current Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri  has known to refer to Omar as the commander of the faithful.

    If the Panjahir resistance (successors of the Northern Alliance) can withstand and defeat the Taliban I think Afghanistan would be a much better and respected country, but it doesn't look to me anyone can can defeat the Taliban now especially after gaining access to US military weapons and vehicles. 

    I do hope that the Taliban realize that if they want any chance of being accepted as a legitimate government they are going to have to implement sharia in a more moderate way and go after the ISIS fighters who are trying to take advantage of the chaos in Kabul to do suicide attacks.

    I have kept a close eye on Islamic leaders around world these last few weeks for response to the Taliban take over, and there seems to be a majority consensus that the Taliban needs put in writing how they plan to implement Sharia Law this along with reasons from Quran, Hadith, and one of the four major schools of Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) so the world will have a better understanding of their intentions. I think MOST Islamic Scholars and Theologians don't want to see another radical group like ISIS hijacking everyone's perception of their religion.

  8. 2 hours ago, SureWord said:

    Yes, the Taliban was actually an improvement over the Mujahideen who was a creation of the CIA in our proxy war against the Soviet Union. Nothing but drug Lords, rapists and pedophiles. The Taliban was burning the opium fields. IMO, that's the main reason we went in.  Apparently, it turned into a giant money laundering campaign also.

    Agreed.

     

    I also agree with your comment about how we never should've been in Afghanistan in the first place.

     

    When the US threatened the Afghans if they did not hand over Osama Bin Laden I am not completely convinced that Mohammad Omar refused because he agreed with the 9/11 attacks. Of course once we invaded then the Taliban hit the green light on jihad against us.

     

    I think to understand why Omar refused to cooperate with the US you have to consider the Islamic teaching on giving asylum to another Muslim when asked but in Mohammed Omar's case you also have to factor in the local Pushtun tribal traditions that are a part of the Afghan culture.

     

    In places like Afghanistan those traditions and rules are taken very seriously and in many cases they would rather die than break an oath or promise, and I believe this is why the Taliban refused to hand bin Laden over. Well or at least part of the reason. Anyone who has seen the movie based on the true story Lone Survivor has seen a portrayal of this. When the US soldier makes it to the village and the jihadist come looking for him the villagers refused to hand him over risking their lives because their tradition compelled them to protect him regardless of personal feelings.

     

    In the end we invaded and went to war with an entire country to find one person who was living in PAKISTAN when we found him. 

  9. On 8/15/2021 at 11:18 AM, SureWord said:

    We shouldn't have been there to begin with. Those people do not want a democracy because it's an abomination to Islam. 

    Just another war to make a few rich at the top even richer (hundreds of millions of dollars have disappeared without a trace).

    They'll have to find their opium from somewhere else now. Maybe big Pharma can buy it from China.

    Incidentally, Vietnam was the #1 producer of opium in the world before fall of Saigon.

    Unfortunately the reality is that Afghanistan was never going to be a democracy without US troops present.

    I think we have stop looking at the middle east through a "American"  or western perspective. I'm sure there are a minority of liberal Afghans who admire and want to live in a free country like we do here, but for the most part the Afghans are deeply rooted in Islam and various forms of tribalism. 

    The United States was never going to take over the country and make it some kind of proxy state under the US government so once we finally left SOMEONE inevitably was going to take control. While the Taliban may not be much better they have been effective in defeating ISIS fighters who want to make Afghanistan a part of their new "Caliphate".

    Like SureWord said - the Afghans are Muslims and WANT to live under Islamic laws. While Muslims believe Sharia is "Allah's" blueprint for a government I think MOST are afraid and are against the very strict interpretation and enforcement of used by the previous Taliban rule and places like Saudi Arabia.

    It's my understanding that one of the reasons Mohammed Omar  formed the Taliban was to combat local powerful warlords who were practicing "Bacha bazi " which is the practice of having naked young boys dressed like females dance for them like strippers, and the sexual activity associated with it. Omar assembled and armed his "students" after a warlord kidnapped and raped two young girls and rescued them. Bach bazi was made illegal by the Tabliban and was punishable by death when they came to power. I'm sure the men in Afghanistan today who have been practicing these kind of sex acts while the Taliban were out of power are among the ones in the Kabul airport praying for a way to get out of the country.

    The Taliban couldve easily overlooked parts of Islamic law and turned those poppy fields into a cash machine for  the manufacturing of heroin but Omar and the other Taliban leaders rightfully concluded that it was unislamic and burned the fields while making it illegal.

    There is simply no good solution when it comes to who controls the Afghanistan government. Because of Islam alone no matter who ends up in power it's going to upset outsiders and draw criticism from Western countries. 

    I don't feel like a Taliban government is a good thing, but like I said there is no perfect solution or substitute that is a realistic option for the future there. I only pray that the Taliban truly mean what they say about changing their views on women's rights and the way they ruled before. 

     

  10. On 8/7/2021 at 6:17 AM, BrotherTony said:

    The Social Gospel speaks more to the church relating to the immediate or longterm physical and emotional needs of people over the spiritual. They may get around to the spiritual in time, but it's usually not something that happens.

    Agreed. That seems to be the pattern here for many churches. It would be great if they could help others with physical needs but not lose focus on their eternal needs but that just isn't the reality. 

    Another issue I've seen is that the churches get so focused on funding needs for others in the surrounding community that they end up neglecting their own church members who may need assistance with bills,food, or whatever. A churches first responsibility should be the well being of individuals in the local body...like widows, single parents, the handicapped, etc.. who may struggle to make ends meet regularly. 

    Almost every local church here that runs a food bank or similar outreaches fall into the "mainline" church category. Don't get me wrong it's great to help and reach out to others in need. The problem is that they come into contact with probably hundreds of people's month and won't even make the effort to hand them a Bible tract to help them with their spiritual and eternal needs.

  11. On 2/22/2008 at 10:52 AM, Pastorj said:

    I was talking to an individual who uses this curriculum. They told me that they spend about a 1/2 hour per day on school to complete all of the work for the 10th grade curriculum.

    Anyone using this curriculum out there that can tell me if this is how long it should take?

     

    My son has attended our IFB Private School since Pre K and is going into sixth grade this year. The school uses mostly curriculum from BJU Press and A Beka Book but I'm really not sure if they use them for every subject. I am not sure about the Mathematic books but I'm certain they use the christian curriculum for Science, History, and obviously their bible studies.

  12. After Spurgeon’s baptism, his mother wrote him a letter: “Ah, Charles! I often prayed the Lord to make you a Christian, but I never asked that you might become a Baptist.”

     

    “Ah, mother!” Spurgeon replied. “The Lord has answered your prayer with His usual bounty, and given you exceeding abundantly above what you asked or thought

  13. I spent a long time yesterday searching the internet looking for churches connected to Oprah. I did see 4-5 churches in Tennessee that are connected and use the name "Experience" in the church name, but I couldn't find anything linking them to Oprah. That doesn't mean her new age beliefs haven't influenced the leadership though. 

    It appears that she attends the Potters House Church with T.D. Jakes as her Pastor...at least from what I could find.

  14. 20 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

    Potato, Potahto,  semantics or definitions change year to year,  group to group, and the demonic forces keep getting stronger and more widespread - until worldwide as KJV says.

    About a hundred of more years ago,  Jesse Penn-Lewis exposed the false revival practices common already then - counterfeit.    A book she wrote available online "War On The Saints" explains vividly (not hollywood style, but without pulling any punches) and distinctly how and when demons have overcome people,  even (at least called) Christians in revival,

    yes,  just like the debacle in Toronto, circa 1991? , the laughing rolling unintelligible disorderly ungodly nonsense that spread like wildfire worldwide and harmed thousands or millions of fellowships around the world that were not strong enough to withstand the evil attack/ deception or ? sorceries ? .  

     The Bible in Revelation 18 says

    Rev 18:23

    And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    Tools

    Rev 18:24

    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    The Authorized Version or King James Version (KJV), 1611, 1769.
    Outside of the United Kingdom, the KJV is in the public domain. Within the United Kingdom, the rights to the KJV are vested in the Crown.

    Yes that is the same Toronto Blessing I was referring to. It hard to even watch such nonsense, and it's unimaginable to me how they believe that kind of stuff is biblical. Maybe they need to study the bible a little more so they can recognize the true Spirit.

  15. I don't believe a demon can posses a true believer, but certainly believe they are still active in the world.

    Have you ever seen footage of the Vineyard Church "Toronto Blessing" footage? Its people rolling on the ground, twitching, and in some cases barking and acting like animals claiming it was the holy spirit. If those people aren't acting then I can only attribute those kind of acts in God's name as demon possession.

  16. 16 hours ago, SureWord said:

    It seems to me that the overemphasis on the love of God and the meekness of Christ in preaching and theology over the last 60 years has contributed to the mess we are in now.

    Well said and I could not agree with you more! I've noticed this problem in probably 95% of the churches I've ever been in. This is exactly what I was emphasizing in a different thread a few days back when I mentioned that Christians should be cautious of trying to be MORE forgiving than Jesus on issues related to sins. I've have become increasingly frustrated with people taking verses out of context like Matthew 7:1 implying that Christians can never make any kind of moral judgement or stand.

  17. 7 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

    I agree that security should be beefed up there. The only problem is that most of these missionary run schools don't have the funds to pay private securtiy. It seems to me that knowing the risks, they would make more of an effort to make sure that some kind of security is there and strengthened past the minimums.

    Good point. I wasn't really looking at it from the view of the missionaries themselves as much as I was the Nigerian government.  I had to look up the Nigerian President on Wikipedia and he sounds as worthless as most elected officials in Africa. He apparently supports sharia  law in Northern Nigeria but went to war with Boko Haram (Probably only because they were a threat to him). I always believed Nigeria was well balanced with Muslims and Christian relations compared to most of Africa but it seems I was mistaking.

  18. 22 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

    Praise the Lord! 28 Baptist school students who had been abducted in Nigeria have been freed!

    https://onenewsnow.com/ap/world/28-abducted-baptist-school-students-freed-in-nigeria

    I was reading this same story on the Christianity Today website and they mentioned that Nigeria is the 9th most dangerous country for Christians.

    It's unbelievable that they can't find ways to prevent many of these incidents when it comes to children.

    I suppose no security is fool proof but I cant even get into my son's Private Baptist school without pressing a button for them to see who is at the door and get let inside. 

    If any children are under threat there they need to at least provide security that is armed better than the kidnappers. 🤔

  19. 6 hours ago, Salyan said:

    Okay, very off topic! No mark discussions... back to the OP!

    The question was much easier with the focus on COVID, because the larger vaccination question is so much more complicated.

    I can tell you for sure that you will never see me post anything on here attempting to identify the "mark" like Hal Lindsey and Van Impe.(That comment isn't a jab at you SureWord...I'm talking about people who play "pin the tail" on the antichrist and the mark and are always wrong)

    I suppose  my answer would be similar as my view of the covid vaccine - that you could make a case either way on which position to take. 

    I personally would fall somewhere in middle. As a father I know how many vaccines my kids have had to have to just attend school and for the most part I see them as a positive thing. On the other hand if mysterious viruses continue to seemingly come out of nowhere and I continue to see ads on TV and YouTube practically begging the unvaccinated to join the others like a marketing scheme I will become suspicious and hesitant to just do what "most" people are doing.

    The issue for me is a very grey area and my reaction to the government forcing vaccines on the public would vary depending on the situation and what it's for. I would do what I felt was right and biblical over a man made government any day.

  20. 1 minute ago, BrotherTony said:

    And as I tell everyone else,brother, if you feel you need the vaccination, go ahead and get it. I don't want anyone who feels they need it to NOT get it. I've not got any problem with people in my family who have gotten the vaccines, but they have problems with our decision to decline. It's shameful how many people have swallowed the government Kool-Aid and are still living in fear. They haven't done heir due-diligence and looked at the true numbers of recovery, deaths, and alleged deaths with covid as a possibiity...and that's just what most of the reported deaths w/covid  are...possibilities. There's been an abuse by the medical establishment in reporting deaths with covid as a secondary or tertiary issue. We have had experience with that in our family...a death having covid listed as a contributing factor when it couldn't have been, as the person had just had covid and had just been released as clear of the virus.

    Agreed.

    There is an older couple at church who have been going around telling other members or emailing saying NOT to get the vaccine. That is going a little too far in my opinion. If someone asks their advice about why they have chosen to not get it then by all means explain.

    I haven't been vaccinated but I almost never bring up my decision unless it's in context of discussion because it's such a personal decision.

    I am friends with a Muslim girl in Sudan and even there many people are refusing to take the vaccine because they're just as suspicious of the vaccine as we are. 

  21. I have never posted about anything political on here but this is such a huge topic and I've seen personally how the Body is dividing over it. 

    I personally have not chosen to get vaccinated yet because something about it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

    If the government demanded it I would probably do as they asked but I would also support those who would refuse. I just don't feel like it's the governments place to force things like this even if it involves our lives. I don't see it as much difference as telling the Snake Handlers Christians that why can't do something dangerous as an act of faith. I also don't believe the government should make Jehovah's witnesses get blood transfusions even if their lives depended on it (except for maybe when it comes to a minor) and also for Christians who refuse to join the military and participate in war.

  22. I started out using Mark Cahills tracts. They are rather lengthy and well made but they are meant to really help break down the Gospel. They are more like small booklets.

    I've talked to Mark through email and he told me he was IFB and always uses the KJV. He gives a lot of talks on soulwinning and has written books on the importance of it. My favorite book of his is "The One Thing You Can't Do In Heaven" which is save the lost so making it a priority during our lifetimes.

    Mark is probably most famous because of his friendship with Charles Barkley who he played college basketball with and his attempts to share the gospel with people like Micheal Jordan (who rejected it)and whoever crosses his path. Mark tells a story in the book I mentioned above about how Charles Barkley's brother flatlined  and during the time he was dead he says his body went to a place that could only be described as hell before he was brought back to life. Mark tried to use that experience to try to get him saved but even then he refused Jesus.

    MarkCahill.org

  23. 5 minutes ago, SureWord said:

    Copeland cracks me up. I know I should be upset by how he's a deceiver but he's so bonkers I feel anyone who is deceived by him wants to be. The Copeland "mashups" on YouTube are hilarious. I know, I guess I'm carnal in these matters but sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at these nut cases.

    Oh I completely agree. I occasionally watch YouTube videos of these guys for entertainment purposes. The compilations they've done on Jim Bakker and his guest's are beyond normal and hilarious watching him trying to sell those food buckets for thousands of dollars. 

    Copeland and hIs crew are on a different level. Between him, his wife, and Billy Bryne (spelling?)...I can't stand to watch them for more than ten minutes.

  24. It seems like most church growth here is mostly from people switching churches. I see people go up to get prayed for after the sermon but it doesn't seem like many get saved that way. 

    We do have a lot of baptisms and people getting saved because of K-12 school that is a ministry of the church and literally attached to it. The teachers must have academic credentials and be a member in good standing at the church. The salvation of the kids that attend there is just as high of a priority as the education, and the church is used for many school activities to show the kids the relationship between the two. Sometimes the parents will get saved as well as a result of the child's decision.

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