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Brother Stafford

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  1. 2 hours ago, DaveW said:

    Maybe you should try to figure out why they don't before you blast them like this.

    There may be good reason not to - like maybe the pastor wanted to but was worn out by having to constantly push just to get some interest, and eventually gave up out of frustration?

    Talk to the pastor about it - you may be the encouragement he needs to start again. 

     

    My apologies if I came across as unkind or "blasting" toward my church or its leadership; that was not my intention.  Sometimes the written word betrays our emotional intentions.

    As I stated in my original post, I have spoken briefly with my pastor and two of the deacons and all three of them show absolutely no interest in soul-winning whatsoever and that one of the deacons says it's a bad idea.  Another deacon said that he's too old to even pass out the fliers.  When I was invited to pass out the fliers with them, I asked them if they ever "knocked on doors," and they all said no.  I asked each of them if they would be open to the idea of "door knocking soul-winning" and they all said no.  I asked the pastor if they ever used to go soul-winning, and he said that they have not gone in the fifteen years since he has pastored the church.  The deacon who said that he was too old to go has been a member since the church was built in 1956 and they the church has never done door knocking soul-winning since it was built.

    I called the church in the neighboring city earlier this evening and the pastor was rather brash, disinterested and sounded a but drunk.  He told me that they no longer do soul-winning.


  2. I think I'm going to play hookey from my church tonight and visit that church in the neighboring city to speak with the pastor there.  

    2 hours ago, Salyan said:

    Brother Stafford, why don't you and the other fellow who would like to go set a time and start going? I doubt your pastor would be against it.  It can be unofficial or you could set a time on the church calendar - even if it ends up being just the two of you. And as they see your excitement (and hopefully results), eventually others may be interested. Just don't try to make a thing of it or force others to participate. People forced to participate in 'soul-winning' aren't going to be any use anyways, and not everyone is called to service in the exact same way.

    In order for me to stay in this church, the leadership has to be more than just "not against it;" they need to be enthusiastically for it.  If the leadership of my church, after making my case for soul-winning, does not have a change of heart and be for, not only the membership, but for leadership doing it themselves, then that would be a sign of blatant disobedience of the word of God and I would not feel confident in receiving instruction from such leadership.


  3. 1 hour ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

    Also another thought...it's not our responsibility if it works or "doesn't work". Our job is to preach the Gospel. Therefore if we can get people to just listen to the Gospel, or if we are at least attempting to give people the Gospel door to door...then we are doing what we are suppose to do.

    I agree.  God is the one who gives the increase and we may never even get to see it ourselves.  It may be ten years down the line and at a different church in a different state.

    (1 Corinthians 3:6-7) "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. {7} So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase."

    When someone says that verbally sharing the Gospel with people no longer works, it would seem that they are, probably unknowingly, saying that God's words has lost their power.


  4. I wonder if, when you get dehydrated in Rome, the nurse gives you a four of saline.

    (Think about it... it'll come to you)

    Two chemists walk into a bar.  One chemist says, "I'll have a glass of H2O" and drinks it down.  The other chemist says, "I'll have a glass of H2O too," drinks it down and dies a painful death.

    On July 18, 2016 at 11:42 PM, heartstrings said:

    What were Lot's last words to his wife?

    "is someone following us?"

    I almost snarfed my water when I read that!  If I may, I would like to add that to my permanent collection.


  5. Thank you for your thoughts, Brother Alan.

    19 minutes ago, Alan said:

    If there was another IFB, King James believing, church that is actively out soul winning than I probably would go there for awhile and pray about the situation. 

     I was thinking about visiting the pastor of an IFB from a neighboring city that does soul-winning (and annual, week long, old fashioned tent revivals) and ask him if I could go with them to learn how to go soul-winning and for his advice as well.  I really don't want to leave my present church because of this issue.  I feel so strongly about this that it almost feels like God calling me to help Him wake this church up to soul-winning.  I don't presume to be anything special; I just want to be obedient to God's commands.

    I think I would only leave if, after eventually discussing the issue for a period of time, that they absolutely refused to do it.  If a church, and its leadership, was being willfully disobedient to the word of God, then that would be my cue to find another church.


  6. Hello all,

    There is something that is weighing heavily upon my heart and I am uncertain about what I should do and the timing of the ideas that I do have.

    I finally joined an IFB church in my city last April and have been attending every service steadily just recently.  I have been reading literature and watching/listening to online sermons about the importance of soul-winning and I have been deeply convicted that it is something that I absolutely must do, but I have never been soul-winning or even passed out Gospel tracts.

    On my church's website, it says that they do "visitation" every Monday evening and that "soul-winning" is scheduled for Saturday mornings.  The fact that they had soul-winning on their schedule is one of the big reasons that I wanted to explore this church.  

    I learned that, on Monday evenings, between 4 and five men choose a few streets and simply deliver a bifold flier that contains an invitation to the church first, information about the pastor second and then a short plan of salvation at the end.  Then they do a face-to-face visit with anyone who inquires by calling the church.

    I have asked three deacons and the pastor if they ever do door-to-door, face-to-face soul-winning and they all have told me that that is something that they never do.  One of the deacons even told me that he thinks that kind of soul-winning is a bad idea, that it doesn't work and that he hates doing it anyway.  This absolutely shocked me seeing that it is an IFB church.

    I got into a conversation with another man who has been a member there for about four years.  He said that, many years ago, he used to be on fire for soul-winning and would do it anywhere he possibly could and at every opportunity.  He faded away from the church for a while, but eventually returned, but has not been soul-winning since.  He said that he wished that our church did real soul-winning and that he doesn't understand why they don't.  He seems like the kind of man who might get excited about it with me and whom I might be able to talk into approaching church leadership about this issue.

    As I said earlier, I am very new to the church and am not even, technically, a member yet (I will be joining within the next week or so).  I don't want to come across as the excited new troublemaking face, stirring things up.  I also hesitate because I have never been soul-winning and I have no Idea what I am talking about.  I also don't wish to come across as disrespectful to the pastor, church leaders or the church body.  (I am total that membership consists of about 70 people and that, at 43 years old, I am one of the youngest there; with the exception of a handful of children.)

    Forgive me if this is a bit long winded, but I need advice from more seasoned brethren than I about how to deal with this.  I believe that God commands every one of us to go soul-winning.  I don't want to just find a different church who does go soul-winning because that seems to just leave the issue to someone else.

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    (Romans 10:13-18) "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. {14} How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? {15} And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! {16} But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? {17} So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. {18} But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."

    Sincerely and respectfully,

    Brother Stafford


  7. Hello all,

    I have been here before, but, to be honest, I have forgotten what my old screen name was.  I was not especially pleasant at times, but God has taught me quite a but about pride and humility since then.  I am just a miserable sinner in desperate need of the salvation offered by our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Sincerely and respectfully,

    Brother Stafford

     

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