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  1. I thought I would stop and say goodbye.  I have decided to stop using the internet, with the exception of posting my restoration videos.  Since they are hardly viewed, I may eventually just remove those as well.  I find the negatives of internet use to outweigh the positives and I believe that it will get worse in the future.  Inappropriate ads have even appeared a few times now on this forum, even though I have ad blockers installed.  I have grown tired of trying to safeguard against the dangers of malware, adult content and protecting my privacy. 

    I also find that there are no news sources that I find reputable any longer and they all seem to share the goals of sensationalism and division.  Keeping up with the news only serves to cause me to be anxious and depressed and really has nothing to do with my everyday life anyway.

    I have also decided that whenever my current computer decides to die, that I will not be getting another one.  I think we've had such technology long enough for me to decide that it all does more harm than good, at least in my view, and I've had enough.

    Take care and thank you for including me in your community.

  2. 4 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

    I think the presupposition that in order for God's promise of preservation of his word to be true, that every person has to have a perfect copy of God's word in their own language is not a true presupposition.

    Where does God promise that every single language on the earth will have a perfect translation of the scriptures? Because I don't recall reading that?

    I agree with the fact that God never promised every person have a perfect copy of God's word in their own language.   I think you're reading things into my original post that I did not write.

    14 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

    3. His words are still perfectly preserved in the copies in the original languages, but that one must possess a perfect command of those languages in order to know the word of God.


  3. I have been re-reading "Bible Wines" by William Patton (pub. 1871).  It is an absolutely wonderful explanation of the use of the word wine in scripture.  He explains the difference between alcoholic wine and nonalcoholic wine.  That is a subject for another thread.  However, on page 46 (of the paperback), he states,


    "We would not distrust, much less weaken, confidence in the Word of God.  We would, however, remind the reader that ONLY THE ORIGINAL TEXT IS INSPIRED; that no translation, much less no mere human interpretation, is ultimate authority."

    (All caps is in the original test by the author) He expresses such things in a few other places as well.

    I actually felt my heart sink when I read this. His writings are so well done that it boggles my mind that such a learned man could make such a basic mistake.  Indeed, countless others have made the same illogical mistake. In my view, if this view were to be true, it would mean one of three things:

    • 1. God lied when He said that He has preserved His word and that all of His words are pure. (Psalms 12:6-7, Proverbs 30:5-6, Mark 13:31)
    • 2. His originally inspired word is hidden somewhere in the world, perfectly preserved but inaccessible and unknowable to us, and that all translations contain errors.
    • 3. His words are still perfectly preserved in the copies in the original languages, but that one must possess a perfect command of those languages in order to know the word of God.

    Am I missing something?  It seems like such a basic Logic 101 type of error.  If no translation or interpretation is the ultimate authority, what prevents anyone, at any time, from bringing any passage, whatsoever, into doubt?

  4. Unfortunately, I had to get a smartphone about 7 years ago.  The salesperson went over all of the bells and whistles for about 45 minutes and then asked me if I had any questions.  I said, "Yeah.  How do you make a phone call?"

    There's a great book by Nicholas Carr called, "The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains."  He talks bout how technology is changing the way that we process information, how we communicate with each other and things of that sort.  Neil Postman has also written about the dangers of technology and its effects.  They have plenty of videos talking about the subjects on YouTube, if you don't have the patience for a book. 😉

  5. I was wondering if it might be a good idea to create another area specifically for people to discuss  and debunk passages of scripture that many perceive as contradictions in the Bible.  It could also be a place to compare how the modern versions change or omit verses that do cause contradictions and difficulties in those versions.  I was thinking of just creating a thread for such discussions, but thought that the thread might get confusing, especially for guests or newcomers.

    Examples would be:

    Did Elhanan kill Goliath or the brother of Goliath? 2 Samuel 21:19 (KJV vs. NASB, ESV, NIV)

    Did Jesus Lie to His brothers? John 7:8 (The missing "yet" in some versions)


  6. (Deuteronomy 4:1-2) "Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. {2} Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

    (Psalms 12:6-7) "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. {7} Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

    (Proverbs 30:5-6) "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. {6} Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

    (Mark 13:31) "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."

    (Revelation 22:18-19) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: {19} And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

    Praise God for preserving His words!

  7. Years ago, when I was still a musician, a friend of mine and I used to write songs together.  I stopped eating meat and we decided to write a song about vegetables.  I said potato, but he said potahto,.  I said tomato, but he said tomahto.

    We decided to just call the whole thing off.

  8. Hello Brandon,

    I used to have doubts about God's existence too.  The thing that used to bring me back was thinking that, if God didn't exist, then that means that all of the wonder and complexity of life and the universe had to have happened by countless unplanned mistakes, and that seemed absolutely impossible to me.  So, I thought that God exists because it's not possible for Him not to exist.

    The Bible tells us who God is, how He made things, how we broke from His original plan, the consequences of that and how He fixes the problem for us.  Christianity is the only religion that says that we can't achieve salvation by trying to live as perfectly as possible and by doing good deeds.  We are all sinners and sin, even one sin, causes us to be deserving of Hell.  Did you know that the Apostle Paul considered himself to be the worst sinner of all? 


    (1 Timothy 1:15) "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

    Before Paul was an Apostle, who loved Christ and taught others about Him, his name was Saul and he used to hunt and kill the early Christians, but Jesus even offered him salvation.

    I still sin and everyone here on this forum still sins.  Even the people you admire most still sin; you're not the only one.  The only person who has never sinned is Jesus Christ, God's only Son.  The only thing that can save us is believing on Him and repenting.


    (Romans 6:23) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."


    (John 3:18)He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."


    (John 3:36) "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


    (John 3:16-17)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. {17} For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


    (1 John 1:9) "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."


    (Acts 3:19) "¶ Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;"

    Brandon, you are thinking about the right sorts of things.  We are all only here for a very short period of time and then we will be in another place for all eternity.  It's pretty important to know where we will go and it sounds like you already have an idea of how important that is.

    If you haven't yet, trust in Jesus Christ to save you from your sins and follow Him.  Get yourself a King James Version of the Bible.  You don't have to spend a lot of money on one.  Many dollar stores have them for a dollar or two.  They have free KJV apps for your phone and free ones online.  Some of the words may sound unfamiliar to you, but a dictionary helps you learn them quickly.  I use Webster's 1828 Dictionary.  I have a printed version, but you can find it online or download it as an app on your phone.  With the KJV, you get to learn strange old words like, peradventure, churl and ouches!

    Ask as many questions here as you like and, if you tell us your city (not your address though, never give your address online), we may be able to locate a good church for you to look into and ask questions there too.

    I'm glad you came here and shared your fears with us.  Jesus can take those fears away.

  9. There is a park, by my home, that I frequent.  I drive there almost every day for an hour or so, to read and pray.

    Today, as I was driving to my usual spot, I saw that the entire park was empty, with the exception of a father and his young son.  It was a beautiful day and they were sitting, side by side, on a bench next to a baseball diamond and their heads were bowed.  I thought to myself, "How nice to see such a thing.  It looks as if they are having a heart to heart or, possibly, even praying together."  Then, as I drove past them, I looked over and saw that they were both looking down at the father's smart phone; they were apparently playing a video game.

    After a while, as I was reading my book, I looked over at them and they were still staring down at the tiny screen in the father's hands, completely oblivious to the three white-tailed deer coming out of the woods in front of them.

  10. 17 hours ago, Donald said:

    I was reminded this morning, of how rare it is, to be totally right with God;

    It's only been achieved by one person that I know of.

    17 hours ago, Donald said:

    For sure, this PAIN, could be the Lord, trying to get their attention.

    I can speak from experience that God can use such things for His glory.  Only six years ago, I considered myself a Christian, but I wasn't IFB then and I still used an NASB and scoffed at the KJVO crowd.  I was very involved in worldly music and it was an idol to me.  I was a performing musician, owned a business making musical instruments and had a day job in the operations department at Guitar Center. 

    Long story short, there was an incident with a loud amplifier while at work at GC and I sustained permanent hearing damage to the point that I could no longer listen to music.  I believe, with my whole heart, that God caused that to happen in order to get my full attention.  The thing that I thought was the most devastating thing to ever have happened to me, turned out to be the most life changing and wonderful thing I have yet experienced.

    I have since completely turned my back on and denounced that entire lifestyle, have discovered the glorious blessings of the KJV and a clearer path that comes from being a Bible believing Christian.  I thank God for my affliction.  It comes with certain pains and inconveniences, but I cherish it.

  11. 3 hours ago, Thief on the Cross said:

    My answer was in keeping with the original post and discussion.   I do not understand the point of the proverb being posted in any other context.    If it was not directed at the woman of the OP , I dont see the point othervthan to cause contention,    im to sick and tired (literally) to go around in circles .   I was hoping to have civil discussion and fellowship on this site as Im shut in quite alot.   I dont think this is the place for me.   

    I certainly meant no disrespect, nor did I mean it to be a jab at anyone.  I was just sharing a bit of scripture that I thought fit.  I apologize if it was the wrong thing to do. 

    Please, stay with us.  This really is a helpful place.

  12. 1 minute ago, HappyChristian said:

    Yes, we know Bro. Cloud personally. His name is on our list as well. Thank you. Is there a particular book or two that you would recommend to start with?

    The first of his books I would recommend for a church library is probably the Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible & Christianity.  The second would be The Discipling Church: The Church That Will Stand Until Christ Comes.

  13. 3 minutes ago, Thief on the Cross said:

    Well I guess there are differing opinions on how an unbeliever should be treated .

    No, I believe we all agree that an unbeliever  should be treated with as much dignity and respect as anyone else.  With regard to our subject of modesty in church, we can uphold standards without treating people poorly.

    We had a man who would come in stinking of alcohol,  he was not disruptive, but he stunk.   We were happy he was there.   He heard the gospel many times over a few months.   We bring a boy often , who also smells badly .   We pick him up and need to put the windows down he smells so awful.    His parents couldnt care less.    He never bathes or has clothing washed.   We have washed his clothing a few times  when we brought him home and given him clothing, but they quickly become like the rest, as he never takes them off.     We believe we are doing the right thing bringing him to church or including him in activities.    This would also be considered poor behavior.    Why are certain things ok or acceptable so they can be reached and not others.      I would never say to him he cant attend unless he cleans himself up first.      

    I agree with how your church is welcoming them, helping them and sharing the Gospel with them.   You mentioned that they are dirty, but made no mention of them being dressed immodestly.  One can be dirty and dressed modestly at the same time.

    He doesn't know any better.  I also believe the same of the Lady who attends in what she believes is a nice outfit.   

    It is true that many women, adult or youngsters, do not understand what appropriate clothing is.  That is why we teach them.



    2 hours ago, Thief on the Cross said:

    Brother Stafford, may I ask how you would respond to the original question...


    On 8/27/2018 at 3:44 PM, Thief on the Cross said:

    Well they have this woman that attends every once in awhile.   She dresses , well like the world,  the bible would call it a harlot.   Anyway, she is unsaved as of yet.   She wears what my friend says is "cleavage first" and a short skirt... Opinions on what you might do?   

    If a woman was dressed as you described, either myself or someone else given the task (preferably another woman), would speak to her in the same manner as if she entered in a bikini or her undergarments and tell her that we would love to have her attend our services but that she needs to wear something more appropriate.  If she doesn't understand what that means, the person speaking with her would give her examples of what would be acceptable.  We would make sure to repeat that we are looking forward to fellowshipping with her (or him).  This would be done with kindness.

    If they are offended by that and decide not to return, like I have said before, I have no problem with that.  We are not responsible for making sure every lost person comes to Christ.  We are responsible for sharing the Gospel with them.  However, just as I would not enter a lingerie store or a strip club in order to share the Gospel, I would not allow the Lingerie store or strip club into a church. 

    Jesus ate with publicans and sinners (Mark 2:13-17), but He didn't invite them to the temple.  In fact, Jesus got quite angry at the temple:


    (John 2:13-17) "¶ And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, {14} And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: {15} And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; {16} And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise. {17} And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up."

    I wonder if that caused any of the bystanders (or , perhaps Roman or Greek visitors) to not want to return or listen to what He had to say.  He also had quite a few harsh words to say to the scribes and the Pharisees while at the temple (Mt. 23, Mt. 24:1) that I am sure may have put many visitors off.


    (Luke 9:3-6) "And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. {4} And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. {5} And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. {6} And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where."

    He was telling His disciples to share the Gospel everywhere, but that if they are rejected, to not dwell on it and to move on.  This is my feeling about visitors in churches.  They are welcome, but they cannot be disruptive in dress or behavior.  If that offends them, let them go on their way.  If they can't handle being told that they need to dress appropriately, then how are they going to handle hearing some of the convicting preaching about sin and Hell?

    P.S. It is my personal opinion that churches should use caution when allowing visitors to attend.  I believe that the majority of the soul-winning of the lost should be done outside of church.  I feel strongly that members should only invite guests that they have spoken with and who have shown at least some sort of interest in the things of God.  There are plenty of things that believers can hear preached and can understand, but that would confuse or put off the still lost.  There have been instances where visitors from other churches or even other denominations have caused discord among existing members.  These are a few examples why I believe we should use caution with visitors, and, as I said, it is only my opinion.

    P.P.S. It just occurred to me that I can't recall guests and visitors being mentioned in the epistles.  Now I want to go see if I can find some verses about the subject.


  15. On 9/4/2018 at 7:28 PM, Brother Stafford said:

    Just out of curiosity, since I'm assuming that you wouldn't allow someone to come in to your church wearing, to the extreme, as little as a bikini, where would you draw the line to where you would speak to them?  


    5 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

    So what if someone shows up in a bikini or speedos? Shouldn't you just thank God that they came to church to hear the Gospel? 

    Give it a rest folks...clothing is the LEAST of things we should worry about...

    Thank you for answering my question.  I appreciate you being candid and honest with your position.  What you have seemingly deemed acceptable attire for church attendance is what the Bible calls nakedness (Ex. 20:26, 28:42 &c.).  To have no issue with anyone attending a church while biblically naked, and, essentially, in their underwear, is beyond obscene and is objectively wrong by biblical standards.  I was planning to not speak anymore on this, but this is just plain wickedness.

    While I admire your zeal for reaching the lost, what about the saved?  Men have to constantly guard their eyes and thoughts because of the carelessness of immodest women in the world.  Although many saved men experience a certain amount of relief from this issue, being saved does not eliminate the issue entirely.  For many men, church attendance offers a brief respite from the constant barrage of immodest imagery offered by the world.  If a member is struggling with porn addiction, for example, allowing immodestly dressed people into the church would be incredibly cruel to that member.  Cannot they at least have the expectation of a sanctuary when gathering with others to worship God?

    This goes for women too.  In my past, I had known many women that spoke very candidly about how certain visual aspects of men cause their thoughts to drift.  Over the years, I have had many women call attention to and compliment, in one way or another, my posterior.  For years now, I have gone out of my way to make certain that my pants completely disguise the shape of that aspect of me, when I am out in public, and I always wear a suit jacket that covers that area while attending church services.  I also keep my tattoos covered and I always wear long sleeve, loose fitting, button down shirts; in church or in public.

    Guests should also be able to experience an atmosphere where sexual temptations are eliminated as much as possible.  Immodestly dressed members, or other immodestly dressed guests, can provide a very strong distraction and interfere with them hearing the Gospel being presented. Requiring appropriate clothing from both guests and members is for the benefit of both the guests and members.

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