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MikeWatson1

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  1. I was doing informal bible college with an independent missionary Baptist church. The idea was to make it official.. but in the end the pastor running it left to plant another church before it was official. Anyway.. I learned key doctrine and which scripture backs it up... like the church being local, eternal security, the Triune God, local church ordinances of tithing and the Lords Supper and the premillineal return of Christ.
  2. Many churches calling themselves non denominational I've seen are very very similar to charismatic Anglicans or Methodists. They say they are non denom yet have almost exactly the same statement of faith as a denomination. Their non denominational idea is not to go back to scripture, but to do things their own way. But then also you can get the rare non-denominational church that just goes by the bible and matches very closely or the same as an IFB church. That's because they have the same stance of letting the bible govern their beliefs.
  3. Yeah, I understand the calvinist wanting salvation to be zero percent us and 100 percent God. That is how salvation is supposed to be. But they assume 'believe' to be a good work in the book of John. So they put salvation before belief. So the thing is explaining to the calvinist that 'believing' is not a work. I like to think of it as belief that is initiated by Jesus.. so that He draws us to Him.. and by that drawing we are enabled to believe by Him. Not though that this is irresistible.. we can still reject this drawing.. reject salvation.. but that it is not started by us and made by us. All the lost person is doing is giving in to this drawing, by placing their faith 100 percent in Jesus. That doesn't seem a work on our part. Just because a lost person is dead in sin.. doesn't mean they have no free will to choose.
  4. I was reading an article on Lordship salvation, and the author was saying that people see too many false converts.. people who claim to be christian but obviously aren't. So they get so sick of this they go to the extreme of Lordship salvation along the lines of trying to make sure the person is saved and faithful. So they put obedience and submission into salvation with good intentions.. but actually skip over plain 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved'
  5. The thing is, giving your whole life. Is that salvation coming from Jesus...or you? Sometimes it is just semantics.. but making Jesus Lord of your life.. in every area takes alot of time. Old sin doesn't always straight away stop after salvation. Because the Holy Spirit is there indwelling.. means you'll be pushed to not go back...but doesn't mean you can't or won't go back. Usually the Lordship salvationist will say you can't or won't go back to old sin. It 'back loads' works in to salvation so you still must be doing good works.
  6. The problem I see with Lordship salvation, is it tries to make Jesus Lord over every area of life.. number one.. right at the time of salvation. So if someone genuinely believes on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life, if the are having trouble with sin..there is a high chance the Lordship person will attack, rather than comfort this person and question their salvation. It's 'back loading' works into salvation. Saying a saved person IS going to be faithful all their life. Like a saved person WILL act a certain way..do these things..etc.. when in actual fact..their faithfulness will wax and wain. They may not end up a good Christian. Doesn't mean 'never saved to begin with '. It's taking 'he who endureth to the end will be saved' right out of context.
  7. Thank you for this. These are very helpful. I'm still not set on kjvo, but do understand the corruption in many modern bibles
  8. I've seen many that have the church not starting with Jesus and His disciples, but at Pentecost. They generally also relegate Jesus' journey with the disciples to the Old Testament. I dunno if Behold does that. But I have seen many dispensationalists who do.
  9. True true. I guess the question is how do you tell whether it is just getting caught up in sin or never saved in the first place? Guess there would be no fruit at all.
  10. There are those of course who never were saved in the first place, as false professors..but our behaviour isn't connected to eternal salvation. Our once believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is. Since we have the Holy Spirit indwelling at that point .. then the Holy Spirit is going to discipline us when we sin. So then it is unlikely we would completely deny the faith. But it is not IMPOSSIBLE . A believer, saved, indwelled can still commit any kind of sin (barring blasphemy..seeing that's basically rejecting salvation to begin with). So you gotta be careful with the never saved to begin with line. You can't see in to the persons soul to see if God has indwelled it.
  11. I agree with this. But not if turning from sins means reducing sin in your life and then you can get saved. This is what I mean by unbelief to belief. Not a behavioral thing, but trusting in the finished work of the cross as you say. We are probably saying the same thing in different terms
  12. A trend I find as an influence of woke ideology, is in work discussions and other areas in discussions about external standards of truth ... like asking about the best way to do something or the right way.. often I get silence and then maybe a personal experience example, rather than an external objective measure.
  13. Repent..change of mind, heart..from unbelief to belief.
  14. Yea making Jesus Lord over every area of life right at conversion time. ..and if He isn't number 1 in every area then the calvinist fruit inspector cometh
  15. Well it is 'easy to believe ' in Jesus. But it's not just 'repeat a prayer after me' ..but under conviction, from the heart calling for salvation. Romans 10:9-10. John 3:16, 5:24, 10:28, Ephesians 2:8-9. I think where Campus Crusade goes wrong is the initial leaders who were sound in tge faith are now long passed. Also they become an entity in themselves when in the past they were mainly focused on linking people to churches rather than being a church themselves.
  16. I was meaning.. in the salvation prayer for the Knowing God Personally booklet.. it has 'now I turn from my sins' and/or 'commit my life to Christ '. Obviously there is nothing wrong with these intentions..but eternal salvation comes from Jesus ..not self commitment or reliance on self turning from sins. I think people still get saved, after reading the booklet because it has ..believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life. But it's got a mixture in their that put the wrong way can lead people to false conversion. Anyway, the main thing is apparently Campus Crusade is now getting a bit today's culture friendly.
  17. Yea it should be the perseverance of God..not the saints.. But the verse 'he who endureth to the will be saved' is not about salvation but the other kind of deliverance during end times...from trials and tribulations. I wasn't saying CRU was Calvinist ..but still loads works into salvation by having a believer 'commit their life to Christ' What happens when their commitment fails? Never saved to begin with? No way. Jesus saves them..not their own commitment.
  18. Yeah, Calvinists are supposed to believe once saved always saved but turn around and say if you don't endure to the end in your faith it's never saved to begin with. So really it's not osas
  19. It is in the reformed tradition but not fully calvinist in the sense of people do receive Christ..call on Jesus for salvation. But it is a bit like Calvinism in 'back loading' works into the sinners prayer.. trusting in 'committing their lives to Christ' ..'making Jesus Lord of your life' . These are things I believe someone can do AFTER conversion. It takes a serious amount of time for God to be number 1 in every area of your life and have your whole life fully committed.
  20. Oh it's Campus Crusade for Christ..parachurch org. They changed their name to CRU in America. Here it is called Tandem Ministries. Their Four Spiritual Laws booklet (or Knowing God Personally) is the 2nd most sold book below the bible.
  21. Reminds me of a post a saw on fb of someone putting pics up of their new baby with her female partner. Done artificially I think..the sperm put in. A whole lot of my Christian friends saw it and many 'liked' it..gave positive comments etc. We were all part of a CRU club. CRU used to be theologically conservative with Bill Bright's teaching but something has changed with it. I think the older leaders have started to pass on and younger ones have the reigns who want to please the crowd.
  22. The youth here took hold of Charismatic and Pentecostal so called churches. Not sure if covid did that much to them. The Vineyard movement has several what they call campuses here. My cousin is a pastor of one of them. My other cousin is the admin guy for another of them. Their Sunday morning service you don't see much tongue speaking etc..but go to their youth group and there is where it's pretty rife. We also have C3 so called churches that are big here. And New Life ones. The New Life ones seem the most focussed on primarily tongues for the gifts. They may have got knocked back a bit with COVID..but are resurging and I think will keep getting more popular with youth to set the stage for the false Messiah.
  23. Thank you, I'll have a look at those. It seems to be the key thing with this history...that a whole group is characterised as heretical and some may have some strange beliefs in there, but within these groups were genuine churches who upheld the Word of God. There is the accusation from reformers and RCC of denying the Trinity and gnosticism. So that is what I am wondering about. But it seems from the books that show the history..is there were groups among these that were mostly pure. Also..like you say..the NT churches counted as Gods churches had their own strange teachings also. Eg.. paganism with the Corinthians... gnosticism with other churches and Judaizers in the Galatian churches .
  24. There are other books that elaborate more in detail and more accurately on this history. There is My Church by J M Moody, The Battle for Baptist History by I K Cross and The History of the Baptist's by John T Christian. What makes the Albigensis etc...heretical? When the Roman Catholics are calling them heretical they aren't measuring against the Word of God but their Catholic teachings..same with the Protestant denominations that called them heretical. The RCC and the likes of Methodists, Presbyterians and Anglicans all practice infant baptism and having one bishop overseeing multiple congregations. I have heard the Waldenses , Albigensis etc have alot of works for salvation, but the problem is their accusers were off beam themselves and they wrote most of the church history. So what were those groups teaching that was wrong?
  25. Yeah it's illogical to say you are a different pronoun to what you are biologically. It's a post modern, very subjective concept without God. I think even the drag queens and wot not in the past still knew they were men. They were being like women to the extreme, but still saw themselves as biological men.
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