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  1. The problem I see with Lordship salvation, is it tries to make Jesus Lord over every area of life.. number one.. right at the time of salvation. So if someone genuinely believes on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life, if the are having trouble with sin..there is a high chance the Lordship person will attack, rather than comfort this person and question their salvation. It's 'back loading' works into salvation. Saying a saved person IS going to be faithful all their life. Like a saved person WILL act a certain way..do these things..etc.. when in actual fact..their faithfulness will wax and wain. They may not end up a good Christian. Doesn't mean 'never saved to begin with '. It's taking 'he who endureth to the end will be saved' right out of context.
  2. Thank you for this. These are very helpful. I'm still not set on kjvo, but do understand the corruption in many modern bibles
  3. I've seen many that have the church not starting with Jesus and His disciples, but at Pentecost. They generally also relegate Jesus' journey with the disciples to the Old Testament. I dunno if Behold does that. But I have seen many dispensationalists who do.
  4. True true. I guess the question is how do you tell whether it is just getting caught up in sin or never saved in the first place? Guess there would be no fruit at all.
  5. There are those of course who never were saved in the first place, as false professors..but our behaviour isn't connected to eternal salvation. Our once believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is. Since we have the Holy Spirit indwelling at that point .. then the Holy Spirit is going to discipline us when we sin. So then it is unlikely we would completely deny the faith. But it is not IMPOSSIBLE . A believer, saved, indwelled can still commit any kind of sin (barring blasphemy..seeing that's basically rejecting salvation to begin with). So you gotta be careful with the never saved to begin with line. You can't see in to the persons soul to see if God has indwelled it.
  6. I agree with this. But not if turning from sins means reducing sin in your life and then you can get saved. This is what I mean by unbelief to belief. Not a behavioral thing, but trusting in the finished work of the cross as you say. We are probably saying the same thing in different terms
  7. A trend I find as an influence of woke ideology, is in work discussions and other areas in discussions about external standards of truth ... like asking about the best way to do something or the right way.. often I get silence and then maybe a personal experience example, rather than an external objective measure.
  8. Repent..change of mind, heart..from unbelief to belief.
  9. Yea making Jesus Lord over every area of life right at conversion time. ..and if He isn't number 1 in every area then the calvinist fruit inspector cometh
  10. Well it is 'easy to believe ' in Jesus. But it's not just 'repeat a prayer after me' ..but under conviction, from the heart calling for salvation. Romans 10:9-10. John 3:16, 5:24, 10:28, Ephesians 2:8-9. I think where Campus Crusade goes wrong is the initial leaders who were sound in tge faith are now long passed. Also they become an entity in themselves when in the past they were mainly focused on linking people to churches rather than being a church themselves.
  11. I was meaning.. in the salvation prayer for the Knowing God Personally booklet.. it has 'now I turn from my sins' and/or 'commit my life to Christ '. Obviously there is nothing wrong with these intentions..but eternal salvation comes from Jesus ..not self commitment or reliance on self turning from sins. I think people still get saved, after reading the booklet because it has ..believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life. But it's got a mixture in their that put the wrong way can lead people to false conversion. Anyway, the main thing is apparently Campus Crusade is now getting a bit today's culture friendly.
  12. Yea it should be the perseverance of God..not the saints.. But the verse 'he who endureth to the will be saved' is not about salvation but the other kind of deliverance during end times...from trials and tribulations. I wasn't saying CRU was Calvinist ..but still loads works into salvation by having a believer 'commit their life to Christ' What happens when their commitment fails? Never saved to begin with? No way. Jesus saves them..not their own commitment.
  13. Yeah, Calvinists are supposed to believe once saved always saved but turn around and say if you don't endure to the end in your faith it's never saved to begin with. So really it's not osas
  14. It is in the reformed tradition but not fully calvinist in the sense of people do receive Christ..call on Jesus for salvation. But it is a bit like Calvinism in 'back loading' works into the sinners prayer.. trusting in 'committing their lives to Christ' ..'making Jesus Lord of your life' . These are things I believe someone can do AFTER conversion. It takes a serious amount of time for God to be number 1 in every area of your life and have your whole life fully committed.
  15. Oh it's Campus Crusade for Christ..parachurch org. They changed their name to CRU in America. Here it is called Tandem Ministries. Their Four Spiritual Laws booklet (or Knowing God Personally) is the 2nd most sold book below the bible.
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