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    AdamL got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in Witnessing to Mormons   
    Please pray for people lost and deceived by the Mormon cult. My wife and I just finished witnessing to 3 mormons, 2 are their female missionaries and the other was a male member of their congregation they brought along with them. My wife and I met with the 2 girls last week as well.
    During the conversation we had the girls were getting noticably upset when I would ask them to show me what they believed in the Scriptures. When a topic would come up and I would turn and read a passage from Scripture they would recoil from it.
    The guy they brought with them, who was a former missionary, said he would like to talk again but the girls said they did not think they could talk to us anymore. 
    Most people do not waste their time with Mormons. My grandfather was LDS and died believing he was off to become a god of his own planet. I know first hand the destruction their cult can cause. They are lost souls that need Jesus Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Alan in The Elect Lady of II John   
    Thank you for your thoughts on this and for providing Pastor Markle's study in 2 and 3 John. I will definitely take a look.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Alan in The Elect Lady of II John   
    I get what you are saying. I have had the same thought as well. So would you say it is probably just a Christian lady being addressed and the Apostle John also knows her sister? 
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    AdamL got a reaction from Alan in Witnessing to Mormons   
    Please pray for people lost and deceived by the Mormon cult. My wife and I just finished witnessing to 3 mormons, 2 are their female missionaries and the other was a male member of their congregation they brought along with them. My wife and I met with the 2 girls last week as well.
    During the conversation we had the girls were getting noticably upset when I would ask them to show me what they believed in the Scriptures. When a topic would come up and I would turn and read a passage from Scripture they would recoil from it.
    The guy they brought with them, who was a former missionary, said he would like to talk again but the girls said they did not think they could talk to us anymore. 
    Most people do not waste their time with Mormons. My grandfather was LDS and died believing he was off to become a god of his own planet. I know first hand the destruction their cult can cause. They are lost souls that need Jesus Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from DaveW in Witnessing to Mormons   
    Please pray for people lost and deceived by the Mormon cult. My wife and I just finished witnessing to 3 mormons, 2 are their female missionaries and the other was a male member of their congregation they brought along with them. My wife and I met with the 2 girls last week as well.
    During the conversation we had the girls were getting noticably upset when I would ask them to show me what they believed in the Scriptures. When a topic would come up and I would turn and read a passage from Scripture they would recoil from it.
    The guy they brought with them, who was a former missionary, said he would like to talk again but the girls said they did not think they could talk to us anymore. 
    Most people do not waste their time with Mormons. My grandfather was LDS and died believing he was off to become a god of his own planet. I know first hand the destruction their cult can cause. They are lost souls that need Jesus Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Miss Daisy in THE DANGER OF STANDARDS   
    What law are we supposed to measure ourselves against? Thou shalt not kill? If it doesn't have fins and scales it is an abomination? Not wearing garmets of divers sort? Sin offerings? Temple worship? Sabbath keeping? Not coveting?
    Or are we to pick and choose which laws we decide are moral laws and follow those? 
    Is there a verse that tells me what laws I am to follow as a born again believer? Are there verses upon verses that tell me to be led by the Spirit? Pastor Markle mentioned Romans 8:4 and said that we would be led to fulfill the righteousness of the law... Christ fufilled the law and His righteousness is applied to us. Verse 4 is a continuation of verse 3. It doesn't say I will be led to fulfill the law it says Christ came to condemn sin in the flesh and fufill righteousness in those that walk after the Spirit because the law could not do that.
    I have standards and I have personal convictions for myself and my family. But those are mine and not to be forced on anyone else or put up as a test of fellowship for others. If I know a brother chooses to not eat pork and he comes to my house for a meal I won't make pulled pork sandwiches out of respect for him, even though I have no problem eating pork. I wear a suit and tie to church, my wife and daughter always where skirts or dresses unless doing something where it would not be appropriate or safe. I am not going to tell someone else what their wife and daughter should wear, if they want to wear pants that is between them and God, it has nothing to do with me. If a brother has no problem watching R rated action movies that is between him and God it has nothing to do with me. 
    I met a man that was considered one of the best bus captains in my area. He came and preached at my church. He said the entire time he was running his bus route he was not saved and addicted to cocaine. Others came to him for advice and training on how to improve their bus routes. Everyone thought he was the greatest soul winner and Christian the whole while he is snorting massive amounts of cocaine and high as a kite. Praise God that He got ahold of this man's heart and saved him and now uses him in a RU ministry.
    I believe we should allow people to grow in God's grace and not demand they follow a bunch of made up rules. Is there a verse in the Bible that says you can't go to the movie theater? Since there isn't I can't forbid anyone from going. I could decide that I have a personal conviction for myself and my family that we won't go to the movies and if someone asks I can explain why I hold that conviction and they can take it and make up their own mind about it. 
    Christ fufiled the law. The law brought me to Christ and now I am under Him. I will be a living sacrifice to Him. If he requires me to place myself under the law I will but I don't see anywhere that He has done that. He has told me to love God and love my neighbor and to be a witness for Him. I see multiple places in Scripture where the Holy Spirit inspired the author to tell the people that they are not under the law but under grace. He didn't give them a license to do whatever they wanted but to represent God who saved them.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Anthony John Thornton in Questions about deputation   
    I go to church with the Vice President of Baptist Missions to Forgotten People. I have asked him many many questions about the board he is a part of and about missions in general. I personally think it is a very personal choice and something you must pray about and decide what works best for you. I have another friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea and he didn't use a board at all. He is sent out of his local church and Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support. That is what works best for him and his family.
    I don't think there is any one right way to do deputation and handle your support. Each family is different and has different needs. If you would like me to put you in touch with the Vice President or the pre field administrator at BMFP let me know.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Doc Flay in THE DANGER OF STANDARDS   
    This is my personal opinion on the subject for whatever that is worth...
    I believe you would be hard pressed to find an IFB church that teaches any other plan of salvation besides by grace through faith. I believe many in the IFB fall in the ditch after that. Galatians 3:3 comes to mind. Standards become a point of personal holiness bring us closer to God and make us better Christians. If I wear a suit and tie for every service I get a point, if my wife wears skirts or dresses to church as well throughout the week I get a point. If I own no other Bibles except a KJV I get a point. If I don't drink I get a point. We can go on and on. Our lives can be a complete mess but because we are doing visable things that everyone can see we can convince ourselves and others that we are super spiritual, godly, and holy. It is a very phariseical mindset because our personal holiness is established by God and maintained by God not by what we do.
    It's a trap and many have fallen in and do not even realize they are caught. Christ brings freedom not bondage. I couldn't get saved by following a set of rules and I also can't make myself closer to God by following a set of rules. Many are good at checklist Christianity but being a Christian is not following a checklist 
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    AdamL got a reaction from Thief on the Cross in THE DANGER OF STANDARDS   
    This is my personal opinion on the subject for whatever that is worth...
    I believe you would be hard pressed to find an IFB church that teaches any other plan of salvation besides by grace through faith. I believe many in the IFB fall in the ditch after that. Galatians 3:3 comes to mind. Standards become a point of personal holiness bring us closer to God and make us better Christians. If I wear a suit and tie for every service I get a point, if my wife wears skirts or dresses to church as well throughout the week I get a point. If I own no other Bibles except a KJV I get a point. If I don't drink I get a point. We can go on and on. Our lives can be a complete mess but because we are doing visable things that everyone can see we can convince ourselves and others that we are super spiritual, godly, and holy. It is a very phariseical mindset because our personal holiness is established by God and maintained by God not by what we do.
    It's a trap and many have fallen in and do not even realize they are caught. Christ brings freedom not bondage. I couldn't get saved by following a set of rules and I also can't make myself closer to God by following a set of rules. Many are good at checklist Christianity but being a Christian is not following a checklist 
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    AdamL got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Problems with Soulwinning   
    Hello everyone.  I have been away for quite a while.  I am active duty in the Navy and was gone on deployment. 
    I became aware of some issues before I left on deployment and had 7 months on a ship to dwell on them and mull them over.  I am still seeing the same issues now that I am home.  Let me preface this by saying I am active in my churches corporate evangelism efforts.  I go out for door knocking weekly.  I also evangelize as I go places.  I talk to co workers, friends, family, strangers...  I leave tracts with people and at places I visit.  I have been actively engaged in evangelism since shortly after I got saved 5 and 1/2 years ago.
    The problem is there is no discernable fruit.  A group goes out and knocks doors upon return there is a testimony that 9 souls were saved.  Those 9 people never show up at church, don't get baptized, and are not interested in discipleship.  Another group goes out, 6 souls are saved.  1 out of the six comes to church once, then doesn't come back and won't return phone calls.  I see this over and over and over.  Folks get "saved" but you never see them again.  We declare how we are doing the Lord's work but there is no fruit to show.  
    I am not trying to sound results driven.  I am trying to say that if a person gets saved something totally life altering has just happened.  According to the Bible that person is now a new creature in Christ.  However this is not what we are seeing.  I have a friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea.  He said people would listen to him and do what he said because he was white and from America.  If he wanted them to pray a sinner's prayer they would do it.  But there was no change.  Nothing happened.  Once they found out he wasn't going to give them money they were gone.  
    I have read a lot of info on David Cloud's website.  The first few times I read it I thought he was preaching lordship salvation.  I have since changed my mind.  I don't know that I agree with 100% of what he says but I think he has identified a problem for sure.  I have gone soulwinning with some people that I thought were way too quick to get someone to pray a prayer for salvation.  I have been with others that have clearly talked about sin, hell, and Jesus Christ.  They have told the person that praying a prayer won't save them but only what they believe in their heart. But out of all these people that I have personally seen pray the prayer I have seen zero fruit from any of them.  I have seen zero interest in discipleship that has been offered.  
    I think there is a serious problem with our evangelistic efforts.  Unfortunately I don't know what to do about it.  What have you seen?  What have you done differently?  Have you had different results from the same methods I am describing?  I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts.  God Bless.
     
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    AdamL got a reaction from Pastor Matt in Where are you going to Church?   
    Heavenly Heights Baptist Church, Jacksonville FL. Pastor Ed Hall
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    AdamL got a reaction from Eddyboy's young'un in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I may get ostracized for this but I am going to share my opinion anyway...
    The King James Only Movement is tied to Independent Fundamental Baptists. Other than some snake handling type charismatics and Mormons I cannot think of any other groups that exclusively use the KJV (although I would feel confident in saying they do not believe the KJV is the word of God). Because the two are tied together what effects 1 will effect the other. It is my personal opinion that the IFB movement is floundering.
    In my opinion the movement was supported by strong personalities that were able to rally large followings behind them. Men like Jack Hyles, Tom Malone, Lester Roloff, etc. These men had huge ministries, many with large Bible colleges. These men are gone and what happened to their ministries? They are gone as well. Midwestern is now basically an online correspondence school, Tennessee Temple is gone, First Baptist Hammond (Hyles-Anderson) is a shell of what it used to be. Scandals that followed some of these men did not help matters any. This leads me to a glaring conclusion, these ministries were built upon men, not upon Jesus Christ.
    Now that these Giants in the movement are gone those that learned under them are for the most part unwilling to adapt to changing cultures and instead parrot what they have been taught without being able to attract followers the way their predecessors did. Adapting does not mean compromising. In order to adapt we don't have to change the Bible version we use, we don't have to bring in guitars and drums and huge electronic screens. We might want to consider changing the way we are reaching people. We might want to consider leaving behind shallow topical preaching that is just screaming about women wearing pants or that the movie theater is the devil's playground. We might want to consider actually teaching the Bible and engaging people that have questions and are searching for answers. We might want to consider actually presenting who God is and what the Gospel is to people instead of rushing through the Romans Road and trying to get the person you just woke up on a Saturday morning to pray a prayer.
    Shallow preaching, weak evangelism, and refusal to change our methods will finish off what is left of the IFB movement. When we send missionaries out to foreign lands do we expect them to do things exactly the same way we do them here in America? I surely hope not. We have seen evidence from this board that knocking on doors is not culturally acceptable in certain countries, in some places it may even be illegal. So our missionaries find different ways to reach people. Why can't we do that here? Why must we continue to go door knocking every Saturday morning at 10 am regardless of the fact that only 1 out of 10 people answer the door and that 1 doesn't care what you have to say?
    I will tell you that with this Millennial Generation that is coming up the only way you will reach them is to be able to answer their questions. Answers like this is the way it is or do it because I said so is not going to go anywhere with them. They are not going to listen to someone read a passage from the Bible and then scream about women wearing pants and rock music for 45 minutes never referencing the biblical passage again. You can say well then forget them we don't need them. But that is not going to work for the church in America. If the church in America is to continue then we must reach them or we will go the way the church in Europe has gone. Would anyone have thought 400 years ago that missionaries would be going into Europe? Well if we keep up the way we are going missionaries are going to be coming to America instead of being sent from her.
    If the IFB movement dies or floats off into obscurity the kjvo movement will as well. God's word will still be preserved and available but who will carry it forward? To continue to give God's word to a lost and dying world we must find new ways to reach people and teach them the Bible. Once we reach them God and the Gospel will do the work like He has for 2,000 years. The Romans Road is not the Gospel and very few to any new creatures in Christ will be made using it. And to present the Gospel you have to actually engage lost people. Our churches have to quit swapping members but convert the lost and disciple them in sound doctrine.
    All of this is my opinion. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the King James Bible is God's word. I am disgruntled and frustrated. I want to see a stop to a reliance on man's way and a revival of God's way.
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    AdamL got a reaction from swathdiver in A Church In Jacksonville   
    I live near Jacksonville and am a member of a church in Jacksonville. My church is Heavenly Heights Baptist Church. I know a few folks that go to West Shores Baptist. I knew they had recently gotten a new pastor but I know nothing about him. If someone is looking for a church in the Jacksonville area feel free to let me know. My church Heavenly Heights is a great church and our Pastor really loves and cares for people and desperately wants to see souls saved. 
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    AdamL got a reaction from swathdiver in Jacksonville Florida   
    If things change or someone else is looking Victory Baptist Church is a great church that has a fantastic school. My children used to attend there and we loved it. They are on the Northside of Jacksonville.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Expository Preaching   
    I appreciate all the responses. And that is really my point. Even if you are a guest preacher or a missionary traveling do you have to take something out of context to preach a topical sermon? Obviously you aren't going to preach through the Book of John in one service but is there not a difference in taking I Kings 22:20-21and preaching "I will persaude him" and taking II Corinthians 5:14-21and preaching about reconciliation?
    In the example in I Kings you have taken the phrase I will persaude him completely out of context and then a sermon is built around being a soul winner, basically 3 points and a poem on how to persaude men or why you should persaude men, etc... In II Corinthians you can take that passage and preach exactly what reconciliation means. You could preach why someone needs to be reconciled, how a person is reconciled, and what a person should do after they are reconciled. You can do that staying in the text and preaching what it says in context and add supporting Scripture as needed. 
    The point is I hear a lot more of example 1 than I do of example 2 and I am wondering if either is more prevalent or the norm? 
    Either or both of those examples may not be the greatest but I was thinking on the fly.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Marilyn C in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I may get ostracized for this but I am going to share my opinion anyway...
    The King James Only Movement is tied to Independent Fundamental Baptists. Other than some snake handling type charismatics and Mormons I cannot think of any other groups that exclusively use the KJV (although I would feel confident in saying they do not believe the KJV is the word of God). Because the two are tied together what effects 1 will effect the other. It is my personal opinion that the IFB movement is floundering.
    In my opinion the movement was supported by strong personalities that were able to rally large followings behind them. Men like Jack Hyles, Tom Malone, Lester Roloff, etc. These men had huge ministries, many with large Bible colleges. These men are gone and what happened to their ministries? They are gone as well. Midwestern is now basically an online correspondence school, Tennessee Temple is gone, First Baptist Hammond (Hyles-Anderson) is a shell of what it used to be. Scandals that followed some of these men did not help matters any. This leads me to a glaring conclusion, these ministries were built upon men, not upon Jesus Christ.
    Now that these Giants in the movement are gone those that learned under them are for the most part unwilling to adapt to changing cultures and instead parrot what they have been taught without being able to attract followers the way their predecessors did. Adapting does not mean compromising. In order to adapt we don't have to change the Bible version we use, we don't have to bring in guitars and drums and huge electronic screens. We might want to consider changing the way we are reaching people. We might want to consider leaving behind shallow topical preaching that is just screaming about women wearing pants or that the movie theater is the devil's playground. We might want to consider actually teaching the Bible and engaging people that have questions and are searching for answers. We might want to consider actually presenting who God is and what the Gospel is to people instead of rushing through the Romans Road and trying to get the person you just woke up on a Saturday morning to pray a prayer.
    Shallow preaching, weak evangelism, and refusal to change our methods will finish off what is left of the IFB movement. When we send missionaries out to foreign lands do we expect them to do things exactly the same way we do them here in America? I surely hope not. We have seen evidence from this board that knocking on doors is not culturally acceptable in certain countries, in some places it may even be illegal. So our missionaries find different ways to reach people. Why can't we do that here? Why must we continue to go door knocking every Saturday morning at 10 am regardless of the fact that only 1 out of 10 people answer the door and that 1 doesn't care what you have to say?
    I will tell you that with this Millennial Generation that is coming up the only way you will reach them is to be able to answer their questions. Answers like this is the way it is or do it because I said so is not going to go anywhere with them. They are not going to listen to someone read a passage from the Bible and then scream about women wearing pants and rock music for 45 minutes never referencing the biblical passage again. You can say well then forget them we don't need them. But that is not going to work for the church in America. If the church in America is to continue then we must reach them or we will go the way the church in Europe has gone. Would anyone have thought 400 years ago that missionaries would be going into Europe? Well if we keep up the way we are going missionaries are going to be coming to America instead of being sent from her.
    If the IFB movement dies or floats off into obscurity the kjvo movement will as well. God's word will still be preserved and available but who will carry it forward? To continue to give God's word to a lost and dying world we must find new ways to reach people and teach them the Bible. Once we reach them God and the Gospel will do the work like He has for 2,000 years. The Romans Road is not the Gospel and very few to any new creatures in Christ will be made using it. And to present the Gospel you have to actually engage lost people. Our churches have to quit swapping members but convert the lost and disciple them in sound doctrine.
    All of this is my opinion. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the King James Bible is God's word. I am disgruntled and frustrated. I want to see a stop to a reliance on man's way and a revival of God's way.
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    AdamL got a reaction from weary warrior in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I may get ostracized for this but I am going to share my opinion anyway...
    The King James Only Movement is tied to Independent Fundamental Baptists. Other than some snake handling type charismatics and Mormons I cannot think of any other groups that exclusively use the KJV (although I would feel confident in saying they do not believe the KJV is the word of God). Because the two are tied together what effects 1 will effect the other. It is my personal opinion that the IFB movement is floundering.
    In my opinion the movement was supported by strong personalities that were able to rally large followings behind them. Men like Jack Hyles, Tom Malone, Lester Roloff, etc. These men had huge ministries, many with large Bible colleges. These men are gone and what happened to their ministries? They are gone as well. Midwestern is now basically an online correspondence school, Tennessee Temple is gone, First Baptist Hammond (Hyles-Anderson) is a shell of what it used to be. Scandals that followed some of these men did not help matters any. This leads me to a glaring conclusion, these ministries were built upon men, not upon Jesus Christ.
    Now that these Giants in the movement are gone those that learned under them are for the most part unwilling to adapt to changing cultures and instead parrot what they have been taught without being able to attract followers the way their predecessors did. Adapting does not mean compromising. In order to adapt we don't have to change the Bible version we use, we don't have to bring in guitars and drums and huge electronic screens. We might want to consider changing the way we are reaching people. We might want to consider leaving behind shallow topical preaching that is just screaming about women wearing pants or that the movie theater is the devil's playground. We might want to consider actually teaching the Bible and engaging people that have questions and are searching for answers. We might want to consider actually presenting who God is and what the Gospel is to people instead of rushing through the Romans Road and trying to get the person you just woke up on a Saturday morning to pray a prayer.
    Shallow preaching, weak evangelism, and refusal to change our methods will finish off what is left of the IFB movement. When we send missionaries out to foreign lands do we expect them to do things exactly the same way we do them here in America? I surely hope not. We have seen evidence from this board that knocking on doors is not culturally acceptable in certain countries, in some places it may even be illegal. So our missionaries find different ways to reach people. Why can't we do that here? Why must we continue to go door knocking every Saturday morning at 10 am regardless of the fact that only 1 out of 10 people answer the door and that 1 doesn't care what you have to say?
    I will tell you that with this Millennial Generation that is coming up the only way you will reach them is to be able to answer their questions. Answers like this is the way it is or do it because I said so is not going to go anywhere with them. They are not going to listen to someone read a passage from the Bible and then scream about women wearing pants and rock music for 45 minutes never referencing the biblical passage again. You can say well then forget them we don't need them. But that is not going to work for the church in America. If the church in America is to continue then we must reach them or we will go the way the church in Europe has gone. Would anyone have thought 400 years ago that missionaries would be going into Europe? Well if we keep up the way we are going missionaries are going to be coming to America instead of being sent from her.
    If the IFB movement dies or floats off into obscurity the kjvo movement will as well. God's word will still be preserved and available but who will carry it forward? To continue to give God's word to a lost and dying world we must find new ways to reach people and teach them the Bible. Once we reach them God and the Gospel will do the work like He has for 2,000 years. The Romans Road is not the Gospel and very few to any new creatures in Christ will be made using it. And to present the Gospel you have to actually engage lost people. Our churches have to quit swapping members but convert the lost and disciple them in sound doctrine.
    All of this is my opinion. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the King James Bible is God's word. I am disgruntled and frustrated. I want to see a stop to a reliance on man's way and a revival of God's way.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I believe there is a big difference between preaching a sermon from I Timothy chapter 2 on modest dress or Titus chapter 2 on worldliness and reading 1 or 2 verses of Scripture and then screaming about women wearing pants.  That was my point.
    Both my wife and my daughter only wear skirts and dresses.  I threw away all of my rock and roll and worldly music about 8 months after I got saved.  These changes happened because through studying the Scriptures the Holy Spirit taught me and I brought these things to my wife and we studies them together and made a decision to obey. 
    I am in the Navy so I do quite a bit of traveling. Whenever I am traveling for work or on vacation I find a local church to go to wherever I am.  I also have been recommended many preachers and watched and listened to sermons online. There are some very good preachers from the samplings I have had but there is also a great number that will read a passage and never reference it again and scream about their pet peeves or tell stories for 45 minutes.  That is not preaching and it is certainly not doing anything for the Body of Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Alan in If you have one practical tip you can share   
    Do not forget about people that you have visited.  If someone makes a profession of faith follow up with them for discipleship.  I have come back to people and brought them a Bible and had their name but on the front along with some of literature about basic doctrine.  Encourage them to come to church.  Pray for them. If they show no interest when you come back or reject you then don't push the issue or get upset with them, pray for them and make sure they have your churches info if things change.
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    AdamL got a reaction from 1Timothy115 in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I may get ostracized for this but I am going to share my opinion anyway...
    The King James Only Movement is tied to Independent Fundamental Baptists. Other than some snake handling type charismatics and Mormons I cannot think of any other groups that exclusively use the KJV (although I would feel confident in saying they do not believe the KJV is the word of God). Because the two are tied together what effects 1 will effect the other. It is my personal opinion that the IFB movement is floundering.
    In my opinion the movement was supported by strong personalities that were able to rally large followings behind them. Men like Jack Hyles, Tom Malone, Lester Roloff, etc. These men had huge ministries, many with large Bible colleges. These men are gone and what happened to their ministries? They are gone as well. Midwestern is now basically an online correspondence school, Tennessee Temple is gone, First Baptist Hammond (Hyles-Anderson) is a shell of what it used to be. Scandals that followed some of these men did not help matters any. This leads me to a glaring conclusion, these ministries were built upon men, not upon Jesus Christ.
    Now that these Giants in the movement are gone those that learned under them are for the most part unwilling to adapt to changing cultures and instead parrot what they have been taught without being able to attract followers the way their predecessors did. Adapting does not mean compromising. In order to adapt we don't have to change the Bible version we use, we don't have to bring in guitars and drums and huge electronic screens. We might want to consider changing the way we are reaching people. We might want to consider leaving behind shallow topical preaching that is just screaming about women wearing pants or that the movie theater is the devil's playground. We might want to consider actually teaching the Bible and engaging people that have questions and are searching for answers. We might want to consider actually presenting who God is and what the Gospel is to people instead of rushing through the Romans Road and trying to get the person you just woke up on a Saturday morning to pray a prayer.
    Shallow preaching, weak evangelism, and refusal to change our methods will finish off what is left of the IFB movement. When we send missionaries out to foreign lands do we expect them to do things exactly the same way we do them here in America? I surely hope not. We have seen evidence from this board that knocking on doors is not culturally acceptable in certain countries, in some places it may even be illegal. So our missionaries find different ways to reach people. Why can't we do that here? Why must we continue to go door knocking every Saturday morning at 10 am regardless of the fact that only 1 out of 10 people answer the door and that 1 doesn't care what you have to say?
    I will tell you that with this Millennial Generation that is coming up the only way you will reach them is to be able to answer their questions. Answers like this is the way it is or do it because I said so is not going to go anywhere with them. They are not going to listen to someone read a passage from the Bible and then scream about women wearing pants and rock music for 45 minutes never referencing the biblical passage again. You can say well then forget them we don't need them. But that is not going to work for the church in America. If the church in America is to continue then we must reach them or we will go the way the church in Europe has gone. Would anyone have thought 400 years ago that missionaries would be going into Europe? Well if we keep up the way we are going missionaries are going to be coming to America instead of being sent from her.
    If the IFB movement dies or floats off into obscurity the kjvo movement will as well. God's word will still be preserved and available but who will carry it forward? To continue to give God's word to a lost and dying world we must find new ways to reach people and teach them the Bible. Once we reach them God and the Gospel will do the work like He has for 2,000 years. The Romans Road is not the Gospel and very few to any new creatures in Christ will be made using it. And to present the Gospel you have to actually engage lost people. Our churches have to quit swapping members but convert the lost and disciple them in sound doctrine.
    All of this is my opinion. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the King James Bible is God's word. I am disgruntled and frustrated. I want to see a stop to a reliance on man's way and a revival of God's way.
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    AdamL got a reaction from swathdiver in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I believe there is a big difference between preaching a sermon from I Timothy chapter 2 on modest dress or Titus chapter 2 on worldliness and reading 1 or 2 verses of Scripture and then screaming about women wearing pants.  That was my point.
    Both my wife and my daughter only wear skirts and dresses.  I threw away all of my rock and roll and worldly music about 8 months after I got saved.  These changes happened because through studying the Scriptures the Holy Spirit taught me and I brought these things to my wife and we studies them together and made a decision to obey. 
    I am in the Navy so I do quite a bit of traveling. Whenever I am traveling for work or on vacation I find a local church to go to wherever I am.  I also have been recommended many preachers and watched and listened to sermons online. There are some very good preachers from the samplings I have had but there is also a great number that will read a passage and never reference it again and scream about their pet peeves or tell stories for 45 minutes.  That is not preaching and it is certainly not doing anything for the Body of Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Ukulelemike in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I believe there is a big difference between preaching a sermon from I Timothy chapter 2 on modest dress or Titus chapter 2 on worldliness and reading 1 or 2 verses of Scripture and then screaming about women wearing pants.  That was my point.
    Both my wife and my daughter only wear skirts and dresses.  I threw away all of my rock and roll and worldly music about 8 months after I got saved.  These changes happened because through studying the Scriptures the Holy Spirit taught me and I brought these things to my wife and we studies them together and made a decision to obey. 
    I am in the Navy so I do quite a bit of traveling. Whenever I am traveling for work or on vacation I find a local church to go to wherever I am.  I also have been recommended many preachers and watched and listened to sermons online. There are some very good preachers from the samplings I have had but there is also a great number that will read a passage and never reference it again and scream about their pet peeves or tell stories for 45 minutes.  That is not preaching and it is certainly not doing anything for the Body of Christ.
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    AdamL got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I may get ostracized for this but I am going to share my opinion anyway...
    The King James Only Movement is tied to Independent Fundamental Baptists. Other than some snake handling type charismatics and Mormons I cannot think of any other groups that exclusively use the KJV (although I would feel confident in saying they do not believe the KJV is the word of God). Because the two are tied together what effects 1 will effect the other. It is my personal opinion that the IFB movement is floundering.
    In my opinion the movement was supported by strong personalities that were able to rally large followings behind them. Men like Jack Hyles, Tom Malone, Lester Roloff, etc. These men had huge ministries, many with large Bible colleges. These men are gone and what happened to their ministries? They are gone as well. Midwestern is now basically an online correspondence school, Tennessee Temple is gone, First Baptist Hammond (Hyles-Anderson) is a shell of what it used to be. Scandals that followed some of these men did not help matters any. This leads me to a glaring conclusion, these ministries were built upon men, not upon Jesus Christ.
    Now that these Giants in the movement are gone those that learned under them are for the most part unwilling to adapt to changing cultures and instead parrot what they have been taught without being able to attract followers the way their predecessors did. Adapting does not mean compromising. In order to adapt we don't have to change the Bible version we use, we don't have to bring in guitars and drums and huge electronic screens. We might want to consider changing the way we are reaching people. We might want to consider leaving behind shallow topical preaching that is just screaming about women wearing pants or that the movie theater is the devil's playground. We might want to consider actually teaching the Bible and engaging people that have questions and are searching for answers. We might want to consider actually presenting who God is and what the Gospel is to people instead of rushing through the Romans Road and trying to get the person you just woke up on a Saturday morning to pray a prayer.
    Shallow preaching, weak evangelism, and refusal to change our methods will finish off what is left of the IFB movement. When we send missionaries out to foreign lands do we expect them to do things exactly the same way we do them here in America? I surely hope not. We have seen evidence from this board that knocking on doors is not culturally acceptable in certain countries, in some places it may even be illegal. So our missionaries find different ways to reach people. Why can't we do that here? Why must we continue to go door knocking every Saturday morning at 10 am regardless of the fact that only 1 out of 10 people answer the door and that 1 doesn't care what you have to say?
    I will tell you that with this Millennial Generation that is coming up the only way you will reach them is to be able to answer their questions. Answers like this is the way it is or do it because I said so is not going to go anywhere with them. They are not going to listen to someone read a passage from the Bible and then scream about women wearing pants and rock music for 45 minutes never referencing the biblical passage again. You can say well then forget them we don't need them. But that is not going to work for the church in America. If the church in America is to continue then we must reach them or we will go the way the church in Europe has gone. Would anyone have thought 400 years ago that missionaries would be going into Europe? Well if we keep up the way we are going missionaries are going to be coming to America instead of being sent from her.
    If the IFB movement dies or floats off into obscurity the kjvo movement will as well. God's word will still be preserved and available but who will carry it forward? To continue to give God's word to a lost and dying world we must find new ways to reach people and teach them the Bible. Once we reach them God and the Gospel will do the work like He has for 2,000 years. The Romans Road is not the Gospel and very few to any new creatures in Christ will be made using it. And to present the Gospel you have to actually engage lost people. Our churches have to quit swapping members but convert the lost and disciple them in sound doctrine.
    All of this is my opinion. I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the King James Bible is God's word. I am disgruntled and frustrated. I want to see a stop to a reliance on man's way and a revival of God's way.
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    AdamL reacted to Jim_Alaska in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    You have not offended me Bro. Adam. The exception I took was with the phrase "Movement", which is in widespread use today by many
    As to your question regarding how we go about getting out of the mess that has been created, I would offer a solution that has been with us from the beginning. This consists of not allowing ourselves or our church members to be influenced by forces outside of our local assemblies.
    Install men of God in our local churches that are sound in the faith and conform to the biblical qualifications for pastors which say that pastors should be "apt to teach". By educating our future leaders in the local assembly we circumvent the process of our future leaders being influenced by so-called "movements", colleges and opinions of popular men, rather than The truth once delivered to the saints.
    I know this is unpopular and some may even think it impractical and perhaps even impossible. But this is the biblical example and not above the power of God to accomplish in our churches if we really want it.
    I was very fortunate in being able to be educated by an old school Baptist missionary pastor who was not only "apt to teach", by was on a scale of actually being a bible scholar. Even his sermons could be and were used by him as a teaching tool.
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    AdamL got a reaction from wretched in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I apologise if the term "ifb movement" is offensive to you.  I certainly agree that that is not the way it is supposed to be at all. However when the vast majority of pastors of IFB churches are influenced and taught through the Jack Hyles method of ministry, through the college or his Pastor's school, that is what we have ended up with. 
    I think the question is how do we get out of the mess that has been created?
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