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    John Young reacted to Jim_Alaska in What preachers do you listen to? Are they heretical?   
    As for me, there can be no argument that teaches that the Apostles were wrong. For if anyone says or believes this, they are basically saying that the Holy Spirit that inspired the Scripture is wrong also.
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    John Young got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in What preachers do you listen to? Are they heretical?   
    First I would like to say I am not opposed to his or any IFB pastors' ministry or soulwinning efforts, and I have defended Brother Anderson, and will continue to defend any preacher, against false allegations.
    However, I could not minister with him for two reasons:
    1. His errant belief that the church is the New Testament Israel and errant belief that "Old Testament" and "Israeli National covenant" are the same thing. Acts 15 and 21 clearly shows they are separate. (his errant end times doctrine also stems from this error)
    2. He rejects the Apostle's Doctrine whenever the Apostles contradict his NIFB teaching. Particularly when they clearly state Israel is NOT the church he and other NIFB preachers openly say the Apostles were wrong in Acts 15 and 21. Pull up any of their videos and you will see any NIFB taking point clearly trumps any teaching that that an OT Prophet, Apostle or early church pastor such as James teaches. They give various excuses as to why the Apostles are wrong anytime they contradict. It is the Apostles duty to set doctrine of the church and not ours. 

    Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
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    John Young got a reaction from Pastor Matt in What preachers do you listen to? Are they heretical?   
    First I would like to say I am not opposed to his or any IFB pastors' ministry or soulwinning efforts, and I have defended Brother Anderson, and will continue to defend any preacher, against false allegations.
    However, I could not minister with him for two reasons:
    1. His errant belief that the church is the New Testament Israel and errant belief that "Old Testament" and "Israeli National covenant" are the same thing. Acts 15 and 21 clearly shows they are separate. (his errant end times doctrine also stems from this error)
    2. He rejects the Apostle's Doctrine whenever the Apostles contradict his NIFB teaching. Particularly when they clearly state Israel is NOT the church he and other NIFB preachers openly say the Apostles were wrong in Acts 15 and 21. Pull up any of their videos and you will see any NIFB taking point clearly trumps any teaching that that an OT Prophet, Apostle or early church pastor such as James teaches. They give various excuses as to why the Apostles are wrong anytime they contradict. It is the Apostles duty to set doctrine of the church and not ours. 

    Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
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    John Young reacted to Rebecca in Why is it that people think we just believe just what we are taught?   
    "Why is it that people think we just believe just what we are taught?
    Because for a lot of people, it's true, and they know it.  "You just believe that because your dad/church/college told you that", is usually their "gotcha" line that works well with throwing people off track and mostly results in both sides hurling insults once one side can't defend their position biblically but refuses to budge because it's all they know. Of course it wouldn't work with someone who knows the Bible really well. This happens a lot when a pastor has a pet opinion that he preaches as gospel truth with such authority that the congregation just accepts it as biblical, when it may or may not be a biblical doctrine at all, just because they don't know how to study the Bible and so simply accept their pastors interpretation of the meaning of the pet topic. I know many people who were like this. In Bible College, many students had their faith shaken because of this reason. Their home pastor preached an opinion as doctrine and the student was challenged by students or professors and we had a study session in the classroom. Sadly, in many churches (and probably some Bible colleges!), people aren't taught how to study the Bible or to think critically, and it can do serious spiritual damage down the line. 
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    John Young reacted to Pastor Matt in Why is it that people think we just believe just what we are taught?   
    I grew up in a Christian home and went to Bible college in Northern Indiana (not Hyles ? ) and have been in the ministry for 25 years. When some folks hear my background and disagree with my beliefs or doctrine, they say things like, "You just believe that because your dad/church/college told you that".  It's crazy that some folks will never believe that we do study the Bible as well and come up with our own conclusions based on our study. I disagree with some Biblical things with my father and the Bible College I attended.  These issues are not anything to separate over, but I'm also not going out there to prove them wrong or my prove superior intelligence ? 
    I have noticed a few patterns with these types of people that tell me this type of stuff and it turns me off.
    1) They are extremely proud and LOUD.
    2) They are very arrogant and confrontational
    3) Take one or two passages of Scripture and make a doctrine out of it
    4) Conversions about doctrine go off on Rabbit trails and insults
    4) They can never agree to disagree
    Come to think of it, I've been taught a whole bunch of junk as well in my life. I'm glad that can study the Bible out myself and come to my own conclusions. Proof that we don't teach everything we've been taught is that we've been taught so much in life that we would be all over the place with our beliefs and doctrine if we believed everything we have been taught.
    Hello, I'm Matt, and thank you for listening to my TED Talks. 
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    John Young reacted to Jerry in KJV 1 (The Rapture)   
    Again, stop trying to fit all on these boards into your preconceived opinions when you do not know us at all.
    Most here (except for maybe a few visitors) would adamantly preach against the gap theory. I cannot speak for any others here on Genesis 6, as this is not an issue I have read any threads on lately, but I personally do not believe that Genesis 6 speaks about fallen angels cohabitating with mankind (for various reasons - sons of God always refers to righteous beings and the angels before any of them fell; there were giants in the earth BEFORE the events of Genesis 6 happened, and even after the flood, so cannot be due to fallen angels; and Jesus states angels do not marry, etc.).
    And the Pre-trib position has nothing to do with the gap theory or whatever that other theory is called by you, so are side issues to the issue of the rapture.
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    John Young reacted to 1Timothy115 in KJV 1 (The Rapture)   
    You do know that you're speaking to an audience who reads and studies the Bible and doesn't just listen to everyone who comes along with a new or worn-out attempt to insert another doctrine. I won't speak for everyone, but we have for decades studied this here on OB and personally. You are mistaken my friend on your understanding. I'm sorry you put your trust in a man who obviously caused you distress. Most of us are pre-millennia.
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    John Young reacted to SureWord in KJV 1 (The Rapture)   
    You are getting the Rapture and Second Coming mixed up. 
    One of the keys to proper interpretation is proper division and also understanding who the Lord is addressing at the time. Many heresies are a result of failing to do so.
     
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    John Young reacted to BrotherTony in KJV 1 (The Rapture)   
    I don't believe you're properly interpreting that verse. That is talking about the very end....not the rapture. This is one reason I had started a thread a while back about pastors and laypeople mixing the two events up and misinterpreting scriptures concerning each event.
     
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    John Young reacted to BrotherTony in Possible TIA or light stroke   
    This past Sunday morning I lost my balance and had a nice spill onto the ground outside while taking the puppy out for his potty break. A huge headache was present and my balance got worse throughout the day. Needless to say, I didn't get to go to church and was in bed a lot of the day. When I got up I noticed that I couldn't fully use my left side. But, after about 1/2 an hour it somewhat subsided. The doctor told me that he believed it was possible that I had experienced a TIA...and possibly a slight stroke. I'm still numb on the left side and still have a slight headache. I would appreciate your prayers. The doctor told me if I start to experience this again to get to the local ER down the road about 20 miles. I'll take that advice and not wait the next experience. Thanks in advance.
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    John Young got a reaction from SureWord in What Number Do you see?   
    What numbers do you see?

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    John Young got a reaction from BrotherTony in What Number Do you see?   
    What numbers do you see?

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    John Young got a reaction from BrotherTony in What Number Do you see?   
    try calling it....
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    John Young got a reaction from HappyChristian in What Number Do you see?   
    try calling it....
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    John Young got a reaction from BrotherTony in Any Truth To It?   
    Its basically supposed to be a Twitter clone but without "fact checkers". I don't like to use twitter so probably wouldn't like it either. Basically your "tweets" are called "truths" and your re-tweets are called "re-truths" which sounds too much like liberal "my truth and "your truth" new speak thinking rather than actually focusing on sharing actual Truth.
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    John Young reacted to Jim_Alaska in Michael Hoggard   
    Once you get away from local, visible church, the one God put you in, this sort of heretical nonsense is not hard to find.
    Hence the reason I never listen to radio, TV, or Internet preaching. God put me in the church He wanted me in and under the preacher He wanted me to listen to, that's good enough for me.
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    John Young reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in A Type Pictured In Revelation Four   
    The following post is NOT intended to be argumentative or to carry forward my above disagreement any further.  Rather, it is intended to express some of my ponderings on this subject; for my ponderings have been engaged more highly since this discussion began.  
    First, I have lately been pondering more on what that heavenly scene would have looked like:
    1.  It seems that a heavenly throne was at the very center of this heavenly scene, and the One sitting upon that throne would have been the central focus of the scene. (See 4:2)
    2.  Concerning the colors of 4:3, I wish to present my present ponderings on them after the rest of the scene has been formulated.
    3.  Round about this heavenly throne in what I imagine was a half-circle formation were twenty-four seats, with twenty-four elders sitting upon those seats, each wearing all white raiment and a gold crown upon their heads. (See 4:4)  Based upon how these twenty-four elders respond later toward the One sitting upon the throne, I image that these twenty-four elders sat facing toward that central heavenly throne. (See 4:9-11)
    4.  Along with the central colors of the One sitting on the throne and of the rainbow around the throne, there proceeded forth from that central heavenly throne lightning flashes and thundering sounds and vocal speech. (See 4:5a)
    5.  At the very foot of that central heavenly throne were seven lamps of burning fire (possibly ancient Jewish style lamps, or possibly just the appearance of burning fire itself), which are not simply intended to represent, but are presented as actually being the seven-fold Holy Spirit of God. (See 4:5b) (Because these seven burning fires are the Holy Spirit, I presently lean toward there being seven burning flames without any specific lamps, that it was not seven lamps which were burning with fire, but that it was seven burning fires which were themselves the lamps, not lamps with fire, but lamps of fire.)
    6.  On the ground at the front of that central heavenly throne (possibly between the throne and the twenty-four seats of the twenty-four elders??), there was a sea of glass that shined and sparkled like crystal. (see 4:6a)
    7.  Around that central heavenly throne in the midst of it (that is -- within the throne's immediate "bubble") were the four seraphim-angels continually shouting forth the message, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." (See 4:6b-8)
    8.  Then this heavenly scene shifts slighty; for John sees that as the seraphim-angels shout forth their message of glory and honor and thanks to the One sitting on the throne, the twenty-four elders fall from their seats to bow on their faces in worship of the One sitting on the throne, casting their crowns before the foot of the throne. (See 4:9-11)
    9.  Then this heavenly scene shifts again; for John sees a book in the right hand of the One sitting on the throne, a book (probably a scroll-book) written on both sides, inside and outside, and sealed with seven seals.  Furthermore, a mighty angel stands forth to ask in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to loose the seals thereof?"  Yet initially no one is found worthy anywhere throughout the creation, and John weeps over this matter. (See 5:1-4)
    10.  However, then one of the twenty-four elders comforts John, indicating that the Lion of the tribe Juda has indeed prevailed to open the book and loose the seals thereof.  Then the heavenly scene shifts again as an individual appears in the midst of the seraphim-angels and in the midst of the central heavenly throne, not sitting upon the throne, but standing (I imagine) right in front of the throne (within the "bubble" of the throne).  This individual bears the appearance of "a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God (the seven-fold Holy Spirit of God) sent forth into all the earth." (See 5:5-6)
    11.  This heavenly Lamb (clearly God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ) takes the book from the right hand of the One sitting on the throne.  When He does this, the four seraphim-angels and the twenty-four elders all fall down upon their knees in worship of Him, holding harps and golden perfume vials containing the prayers of the saints, and singing a song of praise and thanksgiving unto the Lamb. (See 5:7-10)
    12.  Following this song of praise and worship unto the Lamb by the seraphim-angels and twenty-four elders, a multitude of righteous angels, and the four seraphim-angels, and the twenty-four elders add a further shout of glorious praise unto the Lamb. (See 5:11-12)
    13.  Finally, the scene concludes with every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea proclaiming blessing and praise unto the One sitting upon the throne and unto the Lamb standing in the midst of the throne. (See 5:13-14)
    Second, I have been pondering more about the colors that are described concerning the One sitting upon that central heavenly throne:
    1.  Best I can discern from both the Greek and the English construction, Revelation 4:3 presents the jasper and the sardine stone, not as two separate stones, but as two colors merged in relation to a single stone.  Best I can discern, it is not the color of a jasper stone and of a sardine stone (the plurality of two stones), being distinctly separate from one another.  Rather, it is the color of a jasper and a sardine stone (a singular stone), being merged and mixed together.  For us the most common color of jasper is a shade of red; but jasper can come in various colors, such as red, yellow, brown, and blue (more rarely).  Jasper colors can also include white, black, gray, and orange, and can even come in a somewhat clear coloring.  Since Revelation 21:11 references "a jasper stone, clear as crystal," I would lean toward this being the same for Revelation 4:3.  The sardius color is a shade of red.  Thus I would image that the coloring of the One sitting on that central heavenly throne was the shining and sparkling shades of crystalline jasper and reddish sardius mixed together in their brightly shining sparkles.  As to the symbolism of this singular mixture and merging of these two shining and sparkling colors, I would consider this to be the representation of the Glory of God.  I would take this from the description of Revelation 21:11, wherein the New Jerusalem is described as "having the GLORY OF GOD: and her LIGHT was like unto A STONE most precious, eve like A JASPER STONE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL."  This verse appears to connect the Glory of God with this crystalline jasper color.
    2.  On the other hand, the rainbow round about that central heavenly throne is described as being "in sight like unto an emerald."  Since the color of emerald is some varying shade of green, I image that this rainbow (color halo around the throne) would be some vivid sparkling shade of green.  Since the primary symbolism of green in Scripture seems to be that of life and lively health (due to the color's connection to healthy vegetation), I would presently lean toward the symbolism of this emerald color to be that of God the Father's eternal reality and of His life-giving grace.  Because we are sinful beings, the glory of God as rooted in His holiness would bring us to a place of condemnation, wrath, and death.  However, without tempering His holiness in any manner, the Lord our God desires to present Himself as a God of life and grace.  Thus the symbolism of the emerald rainbow around the crystalline jasper and reddish sardius of God's glorious manifestation upon the heavenly throne.
    3.  Maybe there is a connection between the description of Revelation 4:3 and the declaration of Revelation 4:8:
    "Like a jasper and a sardine stone" -- "Holy, holy, holy" -- God the Father's glorious holiness
    "The throne" -- "Lord God Almighty" -- God the Father's sovereign authority
    "Like unto an emerald" -- "which was, and is, and is to come" -- God the Father's eternal reality
              or
    "Like unto an emerald" -- "For thou hast created all things . . . ." (4:11) -- God the Father's creative pleasure
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    John Young reacted to 1Timothy115 in "Pastor" Greg Locke at it again! Now says he has "witches" in his church....   
    We know witches and demons are real entities spoken of in the Bible. We are not supposed to think on them we are supposed to "think on these things,"...
    "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." ~ Philippians 4:8
    And keep our thoughts on Christ... 
    "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." ~ Hebrews 12:2
    The gospel was Paul's focus and Oswald Chambers echos that sentiment in My Utmost For His Highest, "proclaim the Gospel of God". Yes, witches will be around and there are demons but, if I could be a pastor, I would not make them the focus of my ministry. The church needs to be warned with what the Bible teaches but, a vendetta on an infiltration of witches, I question that.
     
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    John Young reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in A Type Pictured In Revelation Four   
    In the context of Revelation 4-5 themselves, the following is what we are told about the one who "sat on the throne":
    4:2 - "And one sat on the throne."
    4:3 - "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone."
    4:3 - "And there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."
    4:5 - "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices."
    4:5 - "And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
    4:8-9 - "And the four beasts . . . rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come," giving "glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever."
    4:10-11 - "The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
    5:1 - "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."
    5:7 - "And he [the Lamb of verse 6] came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."
    (NOTE: Since the Lamb is clearly presented as taking the book out of the hand of the One who sat upon the throne, the Lamb and the One who sat upon the throne are presented as DIFFERENT individuals.  Now, it should be clear to us that the Lamb, who is also "the Lion of the tribe of Juda" from verse 5, is the Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son.  Thus the One who sat upon the throne, who gave the book to God the Son, cannot also be God the Son, but must contextually be God the Father.)
    5:13 - "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."
    (NOTE: Again the One who sat on the throne and the Lamb are presented as two DIFFERENT individuals, both equally worthy of eternal glory by all the creation, yet different individuals nevertheless.  Again, since the Lamb is clearly God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the One who sat upon the throne must be God the Father.  Even so, I myself would be compelled to reject any teaching from these chapters that does not recognize this contextual reality.)
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    John Young reacted to 1Timothy115 in Covid Thread (Covid topics are merged in here)   
    My pastor said never wrestle with a pig, you get dirty, and the pig loves it.
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    John Young reacted to Jerry in A Type Pictured In Revelation Four   
    I don't remember which commentator I was reading all those years ago that commented on the stones (or colours of the stones) in chapter four, but I just read this in H. A. Ironside's commentary on Revelation:
    Remembering that many of the first readers of the Revelation were converted Jews, we might ask, What would these stones suggest to them? Surely every instructed Hebrew would instantly recall that they were the first and last stones in the breastplate of the high priest (Exod. 28:17-20). As these stones bore the names of the tribes of Israel, arranged according to the births of the twelve patriarchs, the one would suggest at once the name Reuben, "Behold a Son," and the other Benjamin, "Son of my right hand." It is Christ enthroned, the Son about to reign in power who is before the Seer's vision. Round about the throne a rainbow, like an emerald, the stone of Judah ("praise") is seen, suggesting the perpetuity of the Noahic covenant, and God's unchanging goodness, despite all of man's failure, folly, and wickedness.
    That last part is a great reminder and something to think about, whether we are referring to the Father or the Son.
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    John Young reacted to Jerry in A Type Pictured In Revelation Four   
    Jacob had 12 sons. They are listed in the order of their birth, from Genesis 29 on. The first was Reuben - whose name means "Behold, a son." The fourth was Judah, which means "Praise, or Praise of Jehovah (the LORD)." We know this was the line the Messiah came through - the kingly line. The last (12th) son was named Ben-oni ("Son of my sorrow"), but was changed to Benjamin ("Son of my right hand"). All the others are listed in Genesis as well, and it is easy to determine their meanings from Strong's. But that is not essential to where I am going with this.
    Next, let's go to Exodus 28. Here we have the High Priest and his garments. The Breastplate, which was worn over the chest, had 12 stones over his heart - one for each tribe of Israel - according to the order of their birth. See verses 15-21 and 29. So look up the first, fourth, and twelfth ones. Got that?
    Now, let's go to Revelation 4 and see a type which I have only ever seen explained in one particular commentary. Remember chapters 4 and 5 are what is seen in Heaven in between the Rapture of the church (4:1 - after these things, the church period - chapters 1-3. see also Revelation 1:19) and before the Tribulation period where the judgements of God are poured out upon the earth (chapter 6-19).
    Revelations 4:2-3 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
    Who sat upon the throne? Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. Notice the rainbow (signifying mercy in judgement) completely circling the throne. Even in this end-time period of worldwide judgement, the Lord God will have mercy on those who repent and turn to Him during those seven years. Habakkuk 3:2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.
    Now look at the stones mentioned. Which sons do they represent? Which one is mentioned first? The Sardius stone, which Benjamin is represented by - The Son of my sorrow. This was what Jesus was known by when He was on earth (a Man of Sorrows). Though now He is exalted and is at the right hand of the Father - The Son of My Right Hand. The Jasper stone is mentioned next. This represents Reuben and refers to Christ's second coming - "Behold, a Son." For unto us a child is born (Christ's first coming), Unto us a Son is given (His second coming). What color is the rainbow around the throne - around the King? Emerald, the fourth stone - representing Judah, "the praise of the Lord."
    Just a neat little known type - that reinforces what is taught in other passages, and shows that everything in the Bible is in there for a purpose, even if we don't always know why ourselves.
    January 20th/05
    Jerry Bouey
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    John Young reacted to BrotherTony in Covid Thread (Covid topics are merged in here)   
    I, too, am asthmatic, have COPD, and had covid last year for the second time in late August, early Septermber. I have type 2 diabetes, am overweight because of a heavy regimen of steroids that have been used to keep my immune system up because of an autoimmune disease (bilateral Menieres), and a couple of other health challenges. I had previous kidney and lung damage, but COVID (I now have "long COVID) has furthered issues with kidneys and lungs. Like you, I can't walk very far without gasping for breath, and it's more than annoying. Yet, God keeps me going. I'm praying for you. Like you, I try to eat right, take the right things to keep my immune system and health up, and keep looking to the Lord for other ways to keep not only my physical health, but mental and spiritual health up as well. 
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    John Young reacted to Napsterdad in Covid Thread (Covid topics are merged in here)   
    Fortunately, because of my asthma and COVID mandates at work, my company is allowing me to work from home until I retire (another 5-6 years). This is what is allowing me to move to Tennessee this year. For those times when I absolutely have to be there (maybe a total of 10 days/ year tops) they have given me a private office with an air purifier.
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    John Young reacted to Jerry in Covid Thread (Covid topics are merged in here)   
    I have asthma too. I quit my job in August 2020 for medical reasons (no medical insurance and did not know why my left arm had gone numb - nerve damage). The time off was for me to focus on getting my insurance and trying to determine what was going on with my left arm. Anyways, got the answers I needed (though nothing changed in my medical situation), but I have not gone back to work because I cannot wear a mask for more than a few minutes without getting out of breath or feel like I am choking. There is no way I can work anywhere when I need to wear a mask for 8-10 hours!
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