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    John Young reacted to PastorMatt in Steven Anderson   
    Thank you @Bob Tuttle for the links.
    I do however think because of because of the little influence that Steve Anderson has in the IFB, that we give him too much exposure sometimes. 
     
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    John Young reacted to Alan in The Day of the Lord   
    John,
    I am glad to know that this lesson is a blessing to you. I appreciate your participation in this series of lessons on "the day of the Lord."
    Your participation, insight, and helpful comments, have been compliment to these lessons and a personal blessing to me.
    Alan
     
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    John Young reacted to Alan in The Day of the Lord   
    2 Peter 3:3-15, “The Day of the Lord – A Time of Creation”
    2 Peter 3:3-6, “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. ”
    The apostle Peter previously stated in 2 Peter 2:5, “And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.”
    In Genesis 6:17 we read these words, “And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.” God is going to destroy, to cause to perish, all of the living creatures that are on the earth, or under, heaven. The corruption of the dead human race, and animal kingdom, were left to rot on the face of the earth. Neither the earth, nor the heavens, were dissolved in Noah’s flood.
    In Genesis 7:19-23 we can know exactly what was destroyed, or perished, in Noah’s flood, “And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.”
    It is very obvious that only the earth, and the living things on the earth, and the fowls, perished, or were destroyed. The heavens above; the atmosphere above the earth and the the starry heavens, were not destroyed, or perished, or dissolved.
    Also, by way of context, the apostle Peter is referring to the flood of Noah as recorded in Genesis 7:6-24. The apostle Peter is not referring to an antediluvian flood that occurred between Genesis 1:1 and 2 that is often referred to as the, “Gap Theory.”
    2 Peter 3:7, “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire, against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
    The apostle Peter adds further information on what is going to perish in the fire in the end times; “But the heavens and the earth ...” The heavens and the earth are going to perish by fire. The judgment that the apostle Peter is referring to is clearly the “Great White Throne of Judgment” as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15
    2 Peter 3:8-9, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
    The apostle Peter is very clear, ‘one day with the Lord’ can mean an indeterminate period of time and not just ‘one 24 hour day.’ The context of the word ‘day’ determines whether or not a 24 hour period, or an indeterminate period of time, is warranted for a correct interpretation of the passage. Therefore, ‘the day of the Lord’ can easily be a less than a thousand years, a thousand years, or more than a thousand years.
    In previous passages already studied, from the Old Testament, and the New Testament, it has been clearly proven that ‘the day of Lord’ is both a time of wrath and a time of joy. In this lesson, we will clearly see that ‘the day of the Lord’ extends to the creation of the New Heaven and the New Earth. Therefore, ‘the day of the Lord’ is an indeterminate number of years: a ‘period of time’ determined by the context of the passage to be accomplished exactly how God planned His Day.
    The truth that ‘a thousand years’ is as ‘a day’ with the Lord was also an Old Testament truth from the time of Moses. Psalm 90:4, considered as, “A Prayer of Moses the man of God,” states, “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” Psalm 90:4
    2 Peter 3:10-12, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?”
    “The Day of the Lord” when the ‘heavens shall pass away,’ and be ‘burned up’ and ‘dissolved’ has not come yet nor does it come during the events during the 7-Year Tribulation Period, nor does it occur before, or during, or after the 1,000 Year of Christ on the earth, nor does it occur during that short time, Revelation 20:7-10, when Satan is left out of the bottomless pit.
    Pastor Steven Anderson and ‘The Day of Lord’ and Revelation 8:7
    Revelation 8:7 states, “The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.”
    Anderson teaches that the rapture is depicted in Revelation 6:12, the Sixth Seal, and in Revelation 8:3-4, the sounding of the first angel with the first trumpet. Anderson teaches that the ‘wrath of God’ begins as depicted twice in the book of Revelation: First in Revelation 6:13 and a second time in 8:7. Anderson teaches that Revelation 8:7, when the first angel sounds the first trumpet and a third of the trees are burned up with all of the grass, is, at the end of the seven years, “the day of the Lord,” and the fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10-13.
    Anderson has previously stated, “Now, I believe that the day of the Lord is a LITERAL DAY. I’m not saying that it’s an hour period, I’m saying that it’s a day on the calendar as it were. I mean it’s an actual day, I don’t think it represents a longer period of time. I believe that the day of the Lord is a specific day.”i According to Anderson, “the day of the Lord” is literal day; a 24-hour period of time and not a longer period of time.
    Also, according to Pastor Anderson, Revelation 6:12 is ‘the day of the Lord’ when the rapture of the church takes place. Anderson states, “Now, according to Matthew 24:29, when the sun and moon are darkened, Christ comes in the clouds and we are gathered together unto him. So is this a good day for us, or a bad day for us? It's a great day. But if you're not saved, is this a good day when you are left behind to face the wrath of Almighty God? It's a terrible day, it's a horrible day.”ii
    Also, in his comments on Revelation 8:7, Anderson states, “Okay, well, if you go to the end of the seven years, you don’t see this kind of fire being rained from heaven. And look, in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when the Bible talks about the day of the Lord, being characterized by by the heavens being ON FIRE, and the elements melting with fervent heat, that fits better with the seventh seal and first trumpet than anything else in the book of Revelation that [sic] pre-millennial. And so right there, its very clear to see that a post-trib, pre-wrath view, is the obvious view when you read scripture. So that’s the first trumpet, fire coming down from heaven.”iii
    Anderson is mistaken and erroneously teaches that the “day of the Lord,’ as used by the apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-13, occurs in a ‘one 24 hour day,’ and is fulfilled as depicted in Revelation 6:12, the opening of the Sixth Seal, and 8:7, the sounding of the first trumpet by the first angel.
    According to the apostle Peter, in the context of 2 Peter 3:10-13, when “the day of the Lord” occurs the heavens and the earth vanish away. So, let us see what occurs after Anderson’s “day of the Lord in Revelation 8:7.
    Anderson is in error because after the sounding of the first trumpet by the first angel, Revelation 8:7, the following separate judgments, in separate time frames, take place:
    (1) The second angel sounds his trumpet, 8:8-9, and a great mountain is cast in the seas and great destruction occurs. But nothing is dissolved.
    (2) Then the third angel angel sounds his trumpet, 8:10-11, and further great destruction occurs. There is an obvious length of time beyond one 24 hour day in this destruction.
    (3) Then the fourth angel sounds his trumpet, 8:12, and the Bible is very clear that the sun and moon are darkened. The smiting of the sun and moon is in fulfillment of the words of the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:22, “And except those days shall be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” According to the context, the days are literal days and not a period of indeterminate time. And, according to the very words of the Lord Jesus, “days,” plural, are involved being shortened in the sounding of the Fourth Angel.
    (4) In 8:13 the angel flying throughout the whole earth states that there are still yet three more trumpets, the three woes, to sound with separate judgments at separate time periods.
    (5) In Revelation 9:1 the fifth angel sounds, the first woe, and the bottomless pit is opened and the time period of the demonic destruction, from 9:2-11, take five months to complete.
    (6) In Revelation 9:12-20, the sixth angel sounds, the second woe, and the army of 2,000,000 men cross the Euphrates river. Certainly, this military maneuver takes over “a 24 hour day.” Quite frankly, the amount of time to plan, and then to execute, the movement of 2,000,000 men, their equipment, and the other logistics involved, is huge and certainly will take more than “a 24 hour day.”
    So, after Anderson’s “day of the Lord” the heavens and the earth are not dissolved, nor do they vanish away, and the only thing burned up is one third of the trees and the grass. Anderson is in error; serious error.
    The Day of the Lord - The Dissolving of the Earth
    The apostle Peter is also clear that when “the day of the Lord,” in the context of 2 Peter 3:10-13, occurs that the earth and the heavens (please note the plural), are dissolved. In Revelation 8:7 the scripture plainly states, “...and the third part of the trees were burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up.” Obviously, the apostle Peter is not referring to Revelation 8:7 as Peter very clearly states that the earth, not just one-third of the trees and grass, and the heavens, not just a certain section of the sky, will be burned up and dissolved.
    The apostle Peter was clearly referring to the words of Isaiah when he stated the heavens “shall be dissolved. Isaiah prophesied, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.” Isaiah 51:6
    In Revelation 20:11 we read, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.” It is my understanding, that at this time, the earth and the heavens are dissolved by fire, burned up, melt with fervent heat as the apostle Peter states, and the earth and the heavens are vanished away.
    The Day of the Lord - Promises from God
    The apostle Peter now turns the subject of, “the day of the Lord” to promises, given to all of the beloved saints, in all of the ages, to come. “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you.” 2 Peter 3:13-15
    The apostle Peter is clearly referring to promises as revealed in Isaiah 34:4, “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down.” In my understanding of the word “host of heaven,” and, “all their host,” is a reference to the suns and other planetary bodies in the solar system up to the heaven of heavens: the abode of God.
    Genesis 2:1, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and the host of them.” The heavens is plural and the context is clearly a reference to the bodies in the firmament, stars, of heaven as recorded in Genesis 1:14-19 when God made the lights, the stars, and other planetary bodies, “hosts” of heaven.
    In Deuteronomy 4:19 God said, “And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the hosts of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.” God mentions the Sun, the Moon, the other Stars of the Solar System, the Galaxies, and the host of them; the hosts would be the smaller bodies in the galaxy, the meteors, the comets, the other moons, the Asteroid Belt, the Kuiper Belt, the Oort Cloud and any other body in the heavens.
    God further states, “And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded.” Deuteronomy 17:3
    The Day of the Lord – A Time of Creation - New Heaven & New Earth
    The apostle Peter was referring to the promise given to all of the saints, in any generation, given to the prophet Isaiah.
    “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind.” Isaiah 65:17
    “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.” Isaiah 66:22
    After the Great White Throne of Judgment, the apostle John saw the new heaven and the new earth. The apostle John recorded what his eyes saw in Revelation 21:1, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
    The apostle John gave us further insight concerning the new heavens, “And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither the light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.” Revelation 22:5
    As the apostle Peter states, at "the day of the Lord," we have the promise of the new heavens and the new earth.
    Therefore, "the day of the Lord" extends to the creation of the new heaven and the new earth as recorded in Revelation 21:1.
    Furthermore, as the apostle Peter clearly brought out, "one day with the Lord is as a thousand years" is an indeterminable amount of time that is governed only by the will of God and His timing and is not limited to a literal day: a 24 hour period of time.
    i Anderson, Steven Revelation 6 copied on April 30, 2019 <http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/revelation_6.html>
    ii Anderson, Steven Revelation 6 copied on April 30, 2019 <http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/revelation_6.html>
    iii Anderson, Steven Revelation 8 copied on April 30, 2019 <http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/revelation_8.html>
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    John Young reacted to Alan in Disease in the camp   
    In Numbers 25 the nation of Israel suffered horrendously for committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab. God justly destroyed the souls that committed this whoredom.  
    John has taken a very difficult passage, and a very difficult message, to our society that openly flaunts sexual sins. John has done the best job possible.
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    John Young got a reaction from Alan in Disease in the camp   
    Here are the sermons we preached at church on the incident in Numbers 25 and 31: 

    Description: "Numbers 25 - Whoredom Breeds Disease (in Body and Mind) Edgecliff Baptist Church, Pastor John Young"
    Giving your sexual devotion to someone other than your wife and your spiritual devotion to someone other than God is evil. It can corrupt you in both body and soul and it can ruin your society as well. Christians should never be involved in any lifestyle outside one man and one woman as promiscuity leads to transmittable disease in body and mental instability in mind. Not being able to get God to curse Israel, Balaam showed Balack how to get Israel to curse themselves by letting whorish women join with the camp and lead its people to worship pagan gods. These whores carried with them sexual venereal disease as well which spread as a plague in the camp, eventually killing around 24,000 people. It was so bad that the the judges were commanded to execute anyone who was caught defiling themselves with any of these women. Both to stop the physical spread and put fear into anyone even thinking about consorting with the whorish women. Unfortunately, the command was hindered by predominate men who defied the command and even openly solicited their fellows to lay with the women in open orgies before the congregation and tabernacle of the LORD. Numbers 25 Gives the example of Phinehas the son of the High Priest Eleazar, who saw one such a leader of the people drawing away his fellows from a national time of morning before the tabernacle in order to commit whoredom with a diseased Midianitish woman in a tent nearby. Rising up from the time of prayer, he grabbed a javelin and struck down the man for his treason. This action was recolonized as the key action that turned the hearts and minds away from whoring with the diseased women and saving the people from spreading the plague and being lead astray to fraternizing with the pagan nation, in receiving their gods and unhealthy sexual customs. For this act his family line received the office of intersession on behalf of the people before God. In this sermon we deal with the destructive nature of sexual promiscuity and what happens when supposed "Godly leaders" promote a sexually promiscuous lifestyles among God's people, rather than God's ordained Spiritual Purity regarding sexual matter wither within or without the marriage covenant. We also note the importance of government in protecting from and educating society of the destruction that comes with the introduction and propagation of sexual promiscuity and their need to judge such acts as evil to both people's mind and body. Preached: December 2, 2018 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA.

    Description: "Numbers 31- Eradicating The Flesh Trade (Why it flourishes and how to stop it) Whole Bible Preaching"
    One of the last things a Christian must gain victory over in order to have a victorious Christian life is the hidden sexual sins of their flesh, with all of its affections and lusts. Often, even seemingly "Holy" and "great men" of the faith have fallen from lofty heights because they never mortified, and in fact enabled habitually, their hidden sexual sin lusts. Even the average good Christian is not immune if they do not mortify their secret fleshly sins. When we as individuals secretly allow the flesh to rule in our hearts, the community will suffer as, the flesh having secret rule will seek to be satiated through the sex trades. The more the secret beast is allowed to grow, the sex trade then becomes public and eventually will have to be stocked by the evils of human trafficking through mental manipulation and kidnapping of people. Eventually, such a society will be over taken by a sodomite culture that will tear down the public morals of family life and "alternative flesh lifestyles" will be promoted and sexual (and mental) diseases will become prevalent and destructive. These things follow of necessity, to feed the secret beast of the flesh, even of those who may even condemn them openly, but do nothing about it in themselves. Numbers 25 showed us the need, hand how, to destroy this system from within society, cutting it off at the source, and in Numbers 31 we see how the visages of it was to be destroyed from without, so that it could not easily take root again. In this message we note that while the harsh methods Israel had to employ, in order to rid the area of the plague are not what is needed in our modern society of advanced medicine and quarantine, the procedures are none the less the same. We show that until we individually as Christians, can mortify our flesh by employing the Spirit of Christ and then together, being an example for all, we cannot hope to eradicate this blight from society. Preached: January 6, 2019 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA.
     
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    John Young reacted to Alan in This City Preacher Is Glad to be back in the City   
    Yes! The concrete jungle, in my estimation, is as dangerous as any jungle. Instead of avoiding man-eating lions, cars need to be avoided, instead of poison ivy the smoke of man must be avoided, instead of trying to avoid the man-eating wolf, you have too teach the girls to avoid the two-legged wolf, and instead of the poisonous snake in the grass you have to learn to avoid the two-tongued snake in the chair in the office. Yes! Both the city and the country has its dangers.
     
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    John Young reacted to Jim_Alaska in This City Preacher Is Glad to be back in the City   
    City folks are always a hoot!. I have lived both in the city and remote. Growing up I lived in the city, but as an adult I have almost always lived remote. Regarding cell reception, I don't have any at home at any time, it just not available. I depend on an old fashioned hard wire phone.
    I have also lived where wild things are the norm. In Alaska I had to be vary careful just stepping outside of my door. But then, in the city it is the same in many places, not because of wildlife, but because of people.
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    John Young reacted to PastorMatt in This City Preacher Is Glad to be back in the City   
    When you live in the New York Metro area like I do, yes I left the city. Not nearly as much concrete and not nearly as many people.  Lol
    Plus the rivers are clear in TN, and *gulp*  I lost cell reception in the mountains. Not cool. Lol
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    John Young reacted to PastorMatt in This City Preacher Is Glad to be back in the City   
    My family just returned home from a week long trip in Gatlinburg Tennessee to celebrate my Parents 50th Wedding anniversary.  My 3 brothers and their families was able to be there so it was nice having the family back together for a week. The cabin that my brother rented was the Amazing Grace cabin that overlooks downtown Gatlinburg. Here is a picture of the cabin (sleeps 25). 

     
     
    Everything was beautiful, but way too many bears for my liking. I'll stick with the city, I'm used to people coming up on the porch when I'm reading my Bible, not have bears chase me back into the house, like this little bear did. 

     
     
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    John Young reacted to Alan in The Day of the Lord   
    Brethren,
    I am in the process of writing the next lesson, 2 Peter 3:3-15 and Revelation 21:1, "The Day of the Lord - a Time of Creation."
    It is my prayer, and sincere desire, that  it may be a blessing to all of you.
    Alan
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    John Young reacted to DaveW in Calvinism or Arminianism? How do you answer?   
    The problem with aligning to those terms is how they are defined by those groups.
    They don't mean what you mean when you say "Totally Depraved", or "perserverance" as a couple of examples.
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    John Young reacted to Alan in Matt McMillen Ministries   
    From what I have tried to learn on the internet, Matt McMillen ministries is mostly writing devotional books. Here is the link: https://mattmcmillenministries.com/about/
    I read several of his devotions. From what I can gather is that he is contemporary in his writings. On one devotion, he believed heaven was "in us" but was hesitant to say it was a place; but it was a place where God dwells. In the same devotion, for the unsaved, they did not have heaven, but, Matt did not mention a place called hell, or even mention hell.
    The devotions that I read were somewhat confusing as if he did not want to offend anybody. There was no doctrinal statement that I could find.
    As far as his background was concerned. Matt McMillen's background was also confusing. Evidently, I cannot say positively,  he graduated from a Southern Baptist University in Texas, was a "Student pastor" at "FiveStone Community Church" in Garland, Texas. "FiveStone Community Church is a hard-core contemporary church, again, with no doctrinal statement.
    In my estimation, he is in the religious book selling business trying to make a profit from anybody who goes to any church.
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    John Young reacted to Alan in The Day of the Lord   
    Zephaniah 3:9-20, “The Day of the Lord – A Time of Joy”
    Introduction
    In my previous lessons on “the day of the Lord” we have seen that, according to Acts 3:19-23, that during the “day of the Lord all of the unfulfilled prophecies of the Old Testament prophets will be fulfilled.
    And, that the beginning of “the day of the Lord” occurs at the coming of Christ for the saints in the Body of Christ, the rapture, which immediately initiates the 7-Year Tribulation Period in Revelation 6:1 and concludes at the creation of the New heaven and the New Earth as recorded in Revelation 21:1
    In my previous lesson on Zephaniah 1:14-18, we have seen that, as most people accept, that “the day of Lord is a time of wrath.” This time of wrath begins in Revelation 6:1 and ends at the coming of Christ with His saints as revealed in three different perspectives in the book of Revelation: Revelation 6:12-17; 14:14-20 and 19:11-21
    Therefore, since the “day of the Lord” begins in Revelation 6:1 and ends in Revelation 21:1, the day of the Lord includes: A Time of Wrath, A Time of Joy, and a Time of Rejuvenation. All of these aspects of “the day of the Lord” are evidenced in the Old Testament prophets and will be fulfilled as recorded.
    Zephaniah 3:8, The Indignation of God upon the Nations
    Zephaniah 3:8 says, “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” The prophet Zephaniah is continuing his prophecy of, “the day of LORD” when God pours out His wrath upon the nations, the kingdoms, of the earth. In Zephaniah 3:8 we see the fulfillment of the wrath of God upon the whole earth and we can grasp a clear picture of the fulfillment of Joel 3:9-17 and the destruction of the nations of the world at the battle of Armageddon as described by John the apostle in Revelation 19:11-21
    Terminology of the Day of the Lord in Isaiah and Zephaniah
    From start to finish, the book of Isaiah is full of prophecies concerning, “the day of the LORD” as a time of the wrath of God and the restoration of the nation of Israel, Revelation 20:4-6, being referenced as:
    1. “the last days” Isaiah 2:1-5
    2. “in that day” Isaiah 4:1-6
    3. “at that day,” Isaiah 12:1-6
    6. “it” in Isaiah 13:6
    7. “it” Isaiah 13:14
    Therefore, when the context of the passage is “the day of the LORD” the prophet Isaiah and Zephaniah refers to that day as: “the last days” or “in that day” or “at that day” or “it.”
    Zephaniah 3:9-20 and Revelation 20:1-6
    Immediately after the events of Revelation 19:11-21 John the apostle tells us of two events that are both literal, occur in quick succession, and have the same time frame of 1,000 years:
    (1) In Revelation 20:1-3 Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years. By way of a preview, Zephaniah refers to this incident, by a description of the events and not by name, in Zephaniah 3:15.
    (2) In Revelation 20:4-6 the Lord Jesus, as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, reigns for 1,000 years on the earth. Again, by way of preview of this study, Zephaniah refers to this incident, by a description of the events, and not entirely by full title also in Zephaniah 3:15
    Zephaniah 3:9-20 is a description of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth and is a continuation of “the day of the LORD” as depicted by Zephaniah by his reference by name: “For then” and “In that day.” Furthermore, and by a detailed description of the events that occur only at that time frame. As one considers the prophecies of Zephaniah 3:8-20, in the context of Zephaniah 1:14-18, it is crystal clear that the detailed events therein have not occurred to the nation of Israel after the Babylonian Captivity to this day.
    Furthermore, the prophecies in Zephaniah 3:9-20 are not symbolic, allegorical, nor have they been transferred to the saints in the church as taught by the Reformed, or Covenant, theologian in the doctrine of “Replacement Theology.”
    Zephaniah continues his prophesy concerning, “the day of the LORD” in Zephaniah 3:9-20, “For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain. I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD. The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. The Lord hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more. In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, let not thine hands be slack. The LORD they God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden. Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame. At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.”
    Verse 9-10 says, “For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. ” After the battle of Armageddon as described in verse 8, the prophet states that, “For then” is a reference to the time period of the 1,000 year reign of Christ immediately preceding the battle of Armageddon. “The Day of the LORD” is still continuing.
     
    The prophet Zephaniah, as with Ezekiel Chapter 40-48 and Zechariah 14:1-21, that in the Millennial Temple the worshipers will offer offerings. Zechariah 14:1 states, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.” The dividing of the spoils among the nations of the world during the 1,000 Millennial reign of Christ is considered “the day of the Lord” as with the rest of the context of Zechariah 14:2-21
     
    Verse 11says, “In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.” In the context of the book of Zephaniah, the prophet Zephaniah, as with the prophet Isaiah, is prophesying concerning, “the day of the LORD.”
     
    Since the days of Zephaniah, to our age, the vast majority of Jews have transgressed against God. In the days of Christ, the Jews transgressed against God, in the days of grace the Jews have transgressed against God. Therefore, “in the day” cannot be referring to any other context in the book of Zephaniah, or historically to this day, but clearly refers to a future time.
     
    “ … because of my holy mountain.” Since the days of the prophet Zephaniah, there has not been a “holy mountain,” either literally or spiritually, to this age.
     
    2 Peter 3:10-13 the apostle Peter clearly states that one of the aspects of the “day of the Lord” will be the creating of the new heavens and the new earth. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein he heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
    The Apostle Peter quoted Isaiah 65:17, “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
     
    In Isaiah 65:17-25 we have a running discourse of “the day of the LORD” and the many literal blessings described within “the day of the LORD.” In verse 25 we read, “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They [ the wild animals,the wolf, lion, and the serpent, just previously listed ] shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.” Since the days of Zephaniah, the wild animals of Israel have hurt people in all of the nation of Israel and there is no “holy mountain.”
     
    Pastor Steven Anderson’s Error & Deception
     
    In his study on, “The Day of the Lord,” Pastor Anderson states, “"The Day of the Lord" is an important phrase in the Bible referring to the coming day when God will begin to pour out his wrath upon this earth. Whether in the Old or New Testament, scriptures dealing with the Day of the Lord are very consistent and upon comparison paint a very clear picture of this coming day of God's wrath.”i
     
    This is an erroneous statement. Pastor Anderson’s statement, According to the apostle Peter, the events in Isaiah 65:17 clearly are fulfilled in Revelation 21:1. Furthermore, the events as depicted in Isaiah 65:18-25, God is not pouring out any wrath at all but it is a time of joy and rejoicing. So, for pastor Anderson to say, “Whether in the Old or New Testament, scriptures dealing with the Day of the Lord are very consistent and upon comparison paint a very clear picture of this coming day of God's wrath.” is just not true and deceptive.
     
    Therefore, in the context of “the day of the LORD” in Isaiah 65:17-25, the prophecy of Zephaniah 3:11 is clearly fulfilled in “the day of LORD.”
     
    Verse 12-13 says, “ I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD. The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.”
     
    Since Zephaniah spoke these words, the Jews have not trusted in the name of the LORD but in their own ways and have been deceitful in using the name of God and His word. The Jewish race have not trusted in the name of Christ. In fact, they consider the Lord Jesus a false prophet. Also, since the days that Zephaniah penned these words the nation of Israel has had no peace, safety and have feared for their lives continually.
     
    “The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity” is a direct reference to Romans 11:25-28 when the remnant of Israel, the physical sons of Jacob, are saved as a nation. The apostle Paul clearly states, “For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.” Besides other passages in the Old Testament, Romans 11:25-28 is the fulfillment of Zephaniah 3:13
     
    Verse 14 says, “Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.” Again, among the descriptions the prophet Isaiah gives concerning the nation of Israel in “the day of the LORD” as described in Isaiah 65:17-25, is these words, “But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.” Isaiah 65:18-19.
    Since Zephaniah penned these words, Israel, Jerusalem, and Jews world-wide, have had nothing but national heartache, weeping, and no national joy.
    Therefore, “the day of the LORD” will be a time of joy and rejoicing both by the remnant of the sons of Jacob, and by God Himself as prophesied by Zephaniah and Isaiah.
    Verse 15 says, “The Lord hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.” Zephaniah 3:15
    Since the day that Zephaniah penned these words, due their transgressions, God has judged, harshly, the sons of Jacob, the Jews, and scattered them throughout the world, a spiritual captivity, and the nations, and religions, of the world, to this day, despise the Jew. Why? God is judging them.
    Starting from Adam, and continuing to this day, Satan is the enemy of all people. Satan is a particular enemy against the Jewish race. As it is obvious throughout the Old Testament, Satan tried to destroy the line of the Messiah.
    Immediately after the battle of Armageddon as depicted in Revelation 19:11-21, Satan, the enemy of all mankind, and particular the Jews, is bound in the bottom pit for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:1-3, “And when I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
    “… the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.”
    Immediately after the events of Zephaniah 3:8, the Lord Jesus will be the King of Israel. The kingship of the Lord Jesus, over the whole world, in Israel, at Jerusalem, will be literal. In Zechariah 14:1-21, during the “day of the LORD,” Zechariah prophecies, “And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day [ a direct reference to the day of the LORD from Zechariah 14:1 ] shall thee be one LORD, and his name one.” Zechariah 14:9. The Lord Jesus prophesied of this time in Matthew 19:28-30
    Therefore, the events of Zephaniah 3:15 occur during “the day of the LORD.”
    Verse 16-17 says, “In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, let not thine hands be slack. The LORD they God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.”
    “in that day” is a direct reference to the “the day of the LORD” and the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ as King in Jerusalem. The day of the Lord, according to the prophet Zephaniah, will be a time of rejoicing and joy.
    “… he [ God ] will rest in his love...” God loves the sons of Jacob, the Jewish race.
    Verse 18-19 says, “ I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden. Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame. At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.”
    In Zephaniah 3:18-19 the phrase “… at that time ...” occurs twice. The context is clearly “the day of LORD’ as prophesied in Zephaniah 3:9-20 and 1:14-18, and coincides with the same time frame as when the prophet Isaiah uses the phrase “at that time.”
    This gathering of the Jews, the elect of God, as Zephaniah says, “at that time” is fulfilled in Matthew 24:29-31, “after the tribulation.” Matthew 24:29-31, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” The events of Zephaniah 3:9-20 will occur, “after the tribulation.”
    Conclusion
    Clearly, the prophecies of the the LORD being King in Israel, nor the rest of Zephaniah 3:9-20 has not been fulfilled. The prophecies of Zephaniah 3:9-20 will be fulfilled during the Millennial reign of Christ as King in Israel as revealed by John the Apostle in Revelation 20:1-6.
    Therefore, as previously stated, according to the prophets of the Old Testament, “the day of the Lord,” besides the complete 7 years in the Tribulation Period, includes the “gathering of the Jews as spoken by the Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31, the 1000 Year reign of Christ in Israel as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and will be a time of joy and rejoicing.
     
    i Anderson, Steven ‘The Day of the Lord,’ Copied on May 27, 2019.
    <http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/day.html>
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    John Young got a reaction from Alan in Way of Life:A Discipling Church Is Careful About Membership   
    When we did the membership at our church plant, in addition to a proper salvation and baptismal testimony we also required them to read and generally agree with our "Articles of faith" and in those areas in which they disagreed on a minor point they had to agree not to go against its teaching. Considering the Great commission is threefold (Salvation, Baptism, Discipleship) potential members were required to agree with the church's method for each. 
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    John Young reacted to Alan in The Day of the Lord   
    Brethren,
    I am starting the next lesson of this this study of, "The Day of the Lord," in the book of Zephaniah.
    In our next lesson, Zephaniah 3:8 will be our starting point, and the main emphasis will be in 3:9-20. We will look at specific prophecies of "the day of the Lord" that Zephaniah clearly enumerate  that will occur, "in the day" (3:11 & 16) and "at that time" (verse 3:19 & 20). 
    Alan
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    John Young reacted to DaveW in I Love My King James Bible   
    Note - I couldn't figure out how to post from the other thread to here, so I quote his first post and edited the text with that from the other thread. This explains the incorrect time stamp.
    Now then:
    I went looking for their online church and did not find any such thing.
    In fact as far as I can tell the two men are nor associated and it seems like one of them is dead.
    And neither of them are running an on line church. I didn't spend huge time searching, so there is a possibility I am wrong, but that is what I have found.
    So the truth of the matter is that you don't go to any church, but you do find preachers that you like to listen to.
    2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    That what it seems like to me.
    Show us that I am wrong please.
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    John Young reacted to DaveW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    I don't think anyone is suggesting you be banned...... yet.
    Jerry has responded to your sarcasm and aggressive tone.
    I will say that we don't often take to kindly to people arriving here and taking it upon themselves to "teach" their pet doctrines.
    What we do like is people who want to join our community and discuss - not argue about things.
    But you are drawing some hugely long bows and making some strange interpretations and then telling us that we don't believe what the Bible says.
    But you haven't really introduced yourself properly and you haven't  entered into any general "get to know you" type conversations.
    Hang for a while. Get to know is and help us to get to know you. 
    THEN join the discussions and DISCUSS rather than just argue.
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    John Young reacted to Salyan in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Why would you come to a site expecting to get banned for your behavior? That is... not a sign of mature behavior. 
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    John Young reacted to MJW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Sorry you feel that way Jerry. I've spent years studying these things and many have found them to be a blessing.
    OK then, I guess this is where I get banned. Before I go I just want to share one last slide with you all...

    I wish I could have spent more time with you folks.
    Take care.
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    John Young reacted to Jerry in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Wow, another pure nutter! Go spew your poison and filth somewhere else. This website is for true Bible believers to fellowship on and those who are truly seeking salvation to come here and find answers to their sincere questions - not for wackos to invent their own brand of new age science fiction.
    Though I will admit, this is the most original demonic type of heresies I have ever heard online.
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    John Young reacted to DaveW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    You genuinely have no idea about proper Biblical interpretation.......
    You make the Scripture fit with your ideas.
    That is wrong.
    Part of this problem stems from you not being a part of a church but instead getting your teaching from people you don't know and who don't know nor care about you.
    There is a reason why God made churches.
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    John Young reacted to MJW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Now link it to this...
    Matthew 12:40
    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"
    'Belly' and 'Heart of the Earth' are synonymous.
    The 'Heart' is inside of the unborn Child inside of the Earthly Mother.
    The Heart is also the Throne.
    Jesus went there to preach.
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    John Young reacted to MJW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Sure it does.
    The 'Belly' of the 'Whale' is Hell...
    Jonah 2:2
    "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice"
    Belly and Hell go hand in hand.
    It's the Bibles way of teaching adult subject matter similar to how the tale of the stork is told about where babies come from.
    Jonah was a picture of being saved before birth...
    Jonah 2:6
    "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."
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    John Young reacted to MJW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Some more context in support of the 'child in the Womb' thesis...
    Ephesians 4:14-16
    "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love."
    See that?
    The context of the verses are referring to Children becoming Born Again.
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    John Young reacted to DaveW in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.   
    Nup nup nup - sorry, but this has no basis in scripture. You have twisted those passages in order to present something that is, once again, not in the passage. 
    You are reading into the passage what you want in it. You are not reading from the passage what is already in it.

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