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  1. I've been working on a soulwinning script for a church event flyer and figured I would share it. If you want to use it, feel free to use it as is or modify it to fit your needs. How to get right with God and not go to Hell when you die. You must have Saving Faith According to God's Word. The Bible is a consistent record of eye witness accounts to God’s working with mankind spanning over 6,000 years. According to the Bible, Salvation is granted by God’s grace through faith. This faith is what we express when we Repent and Believe on Christ (His Works and Righteousness)(Romans 3:21-26). It is needed for Salvation from Hell and entrance into God’s love and Heaven. (Christ is Greek word for “messiah” which is the Hebrew word for “anointed by God” scripture teaches He is the only man to have been born from God's very own Spirit (John 1:1-18, John 3:16-17)). Repent basically means “to turn and forsake”. Most people trust in their own works or goodness to get them into Heaven. The bible’s message to people is to turn by forsaking your own abilities and to trusting in God’s way to Heaven. To get to Heaven we repent to God and believe on the works of His Son Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21) by “Calling on the name of the LORD” (Romans 10:6-13). We call out to God and tell Him that we will follow His way only. The moment we call out to God and commit ourselves to Him alone He will send us His Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11, 14-17). When the Holy Spirit enters us it will quicken (make alive) our spirit and make us God’s Child. This is called being born again (John 3). God’s children cannot go to Hell and will go to Heaven no matter what they do. If they sin later God will chastise them until they repent of the sin but they will not ever again be in danger of Hell (Psalms 89:26-34). It is the job of every Christian to follow God’s Word in the way Jesus Christ showed us. The closer we follow God’s Word the more He sanctifies us and makes us holy (1 Peter 1:15, Ephesians 5:25-27). Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out. Psalm 116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. (After Salvation your next step in following Christ is Baptism and joining a Bible believing church)
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  3. "Direct Creation" is a false equivalence. Being a "direct creation" did not make Adam God's son but rather God giving of His Spirit to man made him a son. Adam the first man was made to have the image and likeness of God. No other "direct creation" received such an honor this was unique to humanity alone. Angels are servant spirits and are not sons of God. [Hebrews 1:5,14] Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Romans 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
  4. A direct creation of God does not mean they are "sons of God". Many things were directly created by God but are not "His sons". In fact the bible never ever stated "Direct creations are the sons of God". That is just a made up statement. RATHER, the bible clearly teaches to be a son of God you must have His Holy Spirit. Psalm 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. John 1:11-13 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 10:34-38 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law [Psalm 82], I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 17:20-2320 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Romans 8:14-17 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Galatians 4:6-7 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
  5. In my mind Regeneration and Born Again which Christ spoke of are the same thing. So when one is generated from another that means they were born and when one is "born again" spiritually their spirit is made alive by God. Christ stated with out being Born Again [regenerated] a man cannot see the kingdom of God. The salvation part is the same for every believer but until Christ actually redeemed them on the cross they had to wait for some of the eternal spiritual aspects. Just as today we wait for aspects in regard to the bodily regeneration. The OT regenerated waited in hope for the spiritual redemption which occurred at the cross and the NT regenerated are waiting in hope for the redemption of our body which will occur at the return of Christ. (Romans 8:18-25,1 Corinthians 15:50-53,1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) Additionally, Jesus was not, as our human mediator, advocate, sacrifice, priest, etc., before God until after the resurrection so the dynamic between regenerate/righteous/just men and God was different in regard to approaching Him. Also the role of the Holy Spirit changed a bit as well. Rather then things being meditated by angels between God and man (Galatians 3:19) the Holy Spirit, took residence and became the Holy Ghost comforter, working in the name of Christ, in all believers to give all direct access to God (John 14:26).
  6. Yes I believe salvation is obtained the same way in every age. By Faith in Christ, the Son of God. Jesus expected as much from Nicodemus in John 3 when He said to him, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"
  7. Compare scripture with scripture: Cain leaving the Lord and setting up his own kingdom and lineage away from the Lord in the land of Nod (Genesis 4:16-22) and the men that stayed with Adam and Seth called upon the Name of the Lord in another place (Genesis 4:26). Over time that Holy nation in Genesis 5 (of which Cain is excluded even though his descendants still existed) becoming corrupted in Genesis 6 and going to the daughters of the men and you get the almost exact same event as is described in Ezra 9-10. Only in Ezra they repented. Ezra 9:1-4 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. 2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass. 3 And when I heard this thing, I rent my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down astonied. 4 Then were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the transgression of those that had been carried away; and I sat astonied until the evening sacrifice. 13 And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this; 14 should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping? 15 O Lord God of Israel, thou art righteous: for we remain yet escaped, as it is this day: behold, we are before thee in our trespasses: for we cannot stand before thee because of this. Ezra 10:11-14 Now therefore make confession unto the Lord God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. 12 Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do. 13 But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two: for we are many that have transgressed in this thing. Ezra 10:44 All these had taken strange wives: and some of them had wives by whom they had children.
  8. Angels have a nature but Humans have seed this makes them a separate kind of being and incompatible with humans and not inheritors of son adoption nor do they have authority over the creation outside of God's will, these Brothers of Christ are the only ones which can be called God's Sons: Hebrews 2:11-17 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,12 saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. 1 Corinthians 15:38-41 but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There arealso celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
  9. The scripture in context is clear on this matter regardless of what fables the ancients may have tried to place upon the text: Angels fallen or otherwise are not "Sons of God": Hebrews 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 they shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 and as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? The scripture in context is clear on this matter. I deal with this topic extensively here in this thread: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23268-the-sons-of-god-are-not-the-angels/#comment-403605
  10. Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
  11. A lot of the prophetic verses about Satan contain elements of its past present and future. He was cursed (bit the dust ) and judged in the garden in the form of the snake because he tempted and deceived Eve. He is currently deceiving the nations and in the future he will be cast down. What confuses some people is the fact that prophetically God often speaks of theses things as if they have already taken place (Isaiah 46:10, Romans 4:17) but for us mortals is still in our future. For example Satan falling from heaven, mentioned in several prophetic histories/timelines, is spoken of it already happening in Isaiah 14:12, it just happening in Luke 10:18 but it is still a future event according to Revelation 12:9-12.
  12. It sounds like you may be thinking of 1 Corinthians 10:6,11: 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
  13. My sending church is Green Meadow Bible Baptist Church in Kalamazoo, MI. My pastor and I are in discussions about the church planting and I have the blessing of my sending church as well and report to them and submit to their authority over the church plant. I'm asking these questions here because my pastor and sending church have not started a church before and while I have helped start churches before and know overall how to do it, I have not been a pastor or an officer (doer of legal paperwork, etc.) of one before and I want to be sure not to make common mistakes a veteran church planter may want a first timer to know. If a lost person wants to have a bible study on salvation for a few weeks then that is fine with me but once they are saved they should be baptized and added to a church. I have always been of the the mind that we start as a church under the authority of the sending church, that way when they actually organize they will be functioning as a church. I do not think it is right to hold a bible study but not have them in church. My Ideal would be to start meeting in our house but my wife and I do not have one yet so we are trying to find a cheap office or retail space we can rent. Once we have a location we will start inviting folks to attend church meetings. Thank you for the advice I appreciate it. My goal with the Sunday preaching services is to preach on the major theme of each chapter rather then the nity grity then tie it in with the gospel and with an application for the believer. For example In Gen. 1 the theme would be Creation. God created of all things with his voice, Creation of new life, All things God created were very good. The lost need to allow God to create a new life in them by asking. The believer needs to speak with the mind to create good things, etc. For the in depth areas such as, gap theories, why evolution is wrong, etc. I may wait for Sunday school or Wednesday bible study. I really enjoy that book as well. About half way through bible college I was really discouraged and dropped out for about a year. During that time my pastor started a sermon series on Wednesdays that really helped me regain my focus and calling to finish college and continue in the ministry. If I can find a good simple commentary book on Ecclesiastes I may hand them out as a gift to visitors.
  14. I'm in the very early stages of starting a church and am working on getting everything organized to hold meetings. I have a fairly good idea of the starting process but would like to know from some veteran church planters and founding church members if they have any advice or tips to help it go smoother and things to avoid, etc. Also message wise I am thinking about going through the bible expositorily; OT History Sunday Morning, NT Sunday Night, Wisdom books on Wednesday, and Sunday School would maybe ABCs of Christian Growth. Should I just start in on this series approach or should I spend a few months on some sort of organizational topics for new church plants? If so what would be your suggestions?
  15. Sorry Brother Markle but I do not quite follow what you are asking me but I'll try to respond. 1. The OT references several redemptions; from bondage, from death, from sin, from slavery, National redemption for the nation of Israel from Eygpt etc. I believe them all to be literal redemptions with spiritual truths pointing to the future redemption of Christ. 2. Hebrews 11:13 seems to be clear that while the promised redemption of Christ from death and sin were yet future, the cause of their salvation was faith in those promises. It goes on to say in verse that Moses chose the reproach of Christ. 3. Hebrews 10 is clear that they hoped in the future Christ and not in the animal sacrifices. I would have to say it is simular to the fact that spiritually we have eternal life now and freedom from sin now although we are still physically bound in a fallen world and fallen flesh. They had salvation at the moment of faith and hoped in Christ to redeem their souls and at His Resurrection rose with him from the graves (Matthew 27:51-53). They looked forward to the promised redemption of their spirit from death just as we now look for the future redemption of our physical bodies from death.
  16. Its best if they did not have the wedding at the church or with any official blessing from the church. Its pretty clear biblically that if the man is a saved Chrsitian she aught to remain unmarried as long as she can and try to be reconciled to her husband. If he is only pretending and is an unbeliever then biblically she is free from the unbeliever. If the two wish to marry in a civil ceremony outside of the church they can. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 provides for that in the occasion that a man becomes hard hearted towards his wife. While the church should only promote the best outcome sometimes there are difficult situations. Rather then force the whole church to bless the unbiblical or questionable marriage for two of its members it may be better for the two to privately do the marriage then allow the church to forgive any indiscretion it may have caused. A couple friends of mine had a similar situation which included shard custety of children. The wife had married a "godly man" when they were at bible college. Several times he was caught in his infidelity and each time he repented and she forgave him eventually he found one he wanted to marry and would not repent and they separated she tried to reconcile but he divorced and married the other woman. For some time she tried it on her own but a single never married father, newly saved, got to know her and eventually it became clear they loved each other and it made practical sense that they should marry. While they want ed to marry in the church building with the blessing of the church they were conflicted as what to do because they wanted to follow scripture. So rather then berdon the church they had a private wedding at home. The church then allowed an unofficial reception to be held in the church fellowship hall. 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife. 3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4 her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
  17. We are saved by the Grace of God the Father through our faith in Christ. The OT believer was saved this way as well but they were not redeemed until after Christ died for us on the cross. This is the reason why the OT believers had to wait in "Abraham's Bosom" until Christ could redeem them (Luke 16:22, Ephesians 4). The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God which comes in the name of Christ to continue and fulfill the work of Christ while He is ministering in heaven on our behalf (John 14:26). While Christ was with them they did not need the Holy Ghost giving them direction individually or corporately even though they were without a doubt saved and sealed by the Holy Ghost (John 17) because they had Christ with them; but after Christ departed they needed the Holy Ghost to give them direction and power for the work ahead. Its rather the same as what occurred in Numbers 11 for the nation of Israel. Its not as if the Spirit of God was not working in the hearts of man until pentecost but rather after the redemption His method of operation changed to that of empowering permanently every individual into the body and salvation work of Christ rather then just a select few in the work of guiding Israel as a Holy nation. While the elect throughout history had been kept and sealed, etc. by the Holy Spirit not all the elect had the privilege of being directly indwelt until after the redemption and had to rely on the prophets for guidance (Hebrews 1:1-2a).
  18. Many modern bible versions were made by individuals, foundations, bible societies, para church organizations etc. but how many of these or which ones were directly commissioned and overseen by the authority of an actual "church"?
  19. If you are being faithful to Christ but could not in good conscience go to a church near by and comute is not practical and you where not able to move to another place then I would suspect Christ would bebe setting you up to start a church..... Even in theory if a person did not meet the qualifications of a pastor he could still prepare a way and be a help to organing the start of a church.
  20. I did not mean to imply anything that was not in your arguments or to presume too much on the background of your other statements. I meant only to expound on the idea I quoted and the subject in general. I apologize if it appeared my statements went further then that.
  21. Church Rapture discussions always remind me of Ezekiel (who Revelation alludes to by John eating the angel's book. Ezekiel 3, Revelation 10). At the start of Ezekiel's ministry starts the same as Revelation 4 except his ministry is to the rebellious nation of Israel where John's is to the saved in Christ (The church which includes saved Israel). He gets caught up by the spirit (against his will it seems [God stole him away like a thief! ]) and then goes to his brothers in the town Tel-abib (meaning: ruin mound-beginnings) near the river Chebar (meaning: abundant / joining) for seven days. In the next chapter God tells him each day of his prophetic demonstrations to the rebellious house of Israel will represent one year. I'm not trying to force the passage to indicate something for the Revelation rapture but the similarities are interesting and their trial was written in the bible for our admonition. Here is the passages I'm specifically thinking about: Ezekiel 3:10-16 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. 11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord God; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.12 Then the spirit took me up, and I heard behind me a voice of a great rushing, saying, Blessed be the glory of the Lord from his place. 13 I heard also the noise of the wings of the living creatures that touched one another, and the noise of the wheels over against them, and a noise of a great rushing.14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the Lord was strong upon me. 15 Then I came to them of the captivity at Tel-abib, that dwelt by the river of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days. 16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. Ezekiel 4:4-6 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
  22. Salvation repentance is intrinsic to truly believing on Jesus Christ. It is not intrinsic on leaving sin. However, once Christ saves a person who believes He tells them go and sin no more. He never says "sin no more then I will save you." True "repentance of sin" is the act of the believer and comes after repentance unto salvation (from unbelief to FAITH). The lost man does not need to repent of sin to obtain salvation but he does need to repent towards Christ by believing on Christ who then remits and washes the sinner of their sin. True belief is not just acknowledgement of the truth (like the devils) but the acceptance of truth into one's heart (FAITH) where it will quicken the spirit and renew the mind which leads to a changed and holy life. Salvation ultimately occurs on the spirit level. Whither the believer realizes it or not, in coming to faith in Christ they repented of anything that kept them from believing in faith. They do not need to have all their ducks in row theologically on a conscious level so to speak. They technically do not even need a verbal prayer. They just need to believe on Christ. Acts 11:15-17 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? Mark 9:23-24 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
  23. I told a sinner to try Jesus but I did not tell him about eternal security. Now he is stuck in a long term commitment when he thought it was just a date.
  24. Unfortunatly, from what I have heard, any changes to the structuring laws probably will not be retroactive to cases already tried. These laws have been so abusedabused over the years in the favor of the government of not needing much prof to convict innocent or ignorant violators that any retroactive application would be very detrimental to the system.
  25. The protagonist of this poem I think could be an agnostic (though it could be anybody) trying to be honest with himself. He heard many things about the transition of life and death and is musing them over in his head. The conclusion he came to I purposefully left cryptic with small allusions to scripture in the last line. The conclusions the reader comes to about this poem tends to be different, dependent on the reader's biblical familiarity with and doctrinal perspective on the subject. The poem is not meant to be all inclusive on the subject nor is it meant to assume to know things which the protagonist does not know nor does it presume to give the reader any conclusions. However, poems tend to take a life and meaning beyond their author, So, dear reader, while the words are mine, the poem's actual musings, pondering and conclusions are for you to feel, ponder, and decide. I wrote this poem mainly because I know several people who felt as the protagonist did. Hope my author's insight helps! I do enjoy the poetical addition which Covenanter added. If anyone wants to add more lines biased on the subject or what you would tell the protagonist feel free do do so! Also if you have any insight into what you think the protagonist may have concluded then I love to know what you think!

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