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  1. I did not call John R. Rice a reprobate and you know it. You are the one who is crossing the line with your false interpretation of Romans chapter one and the other associated passages of scripture.
  2. Steven Anderson is not a man of God. Anderson is a false teacher, a man full of hate, and is not qualified to be in the ministry: especially to be a pastor of a church. As I said before, as with Steven Anderson, you cannot 'rightly divide the scriptures. Just because you, and Anderson, can quote the Bible does not mean you are correct. You wrote that John R. Rice "taught" reprobate doctrine. To teach a reprobate doctrine is to be a reprobate.
  3. I know what you said. Paul, You are the one who is teaching reprobate doctrine. You cannot 'rightly divide' Romans chapter one and the other passages you listed.
  4. John R. Rice, may be a reprobate in your eyes, but in the eyes of many strong IFB saints, he was a man of God, filled with the Holy Spirit of God, a winner on countless souls, a writer of many excellent books & tracts & pamphlets, and walked close to the Lord Jesus Christ. John R. Rice boldly stood against evolution, Calvinists, liberals, moral wickedness in society, moral wickedness in Hollywood, and was a staunch defender of the faith. In our perverted day and age, many false teachers, liberals, Pastor Steven Anderson and his followers in the NewIFB Movement, find fault, nit-pickers I call them, with John R. Rice, Charles H. Spurgeon, and other men of God, who walked with God in every aspect of the word. To call John R. Rice a reprobate is not of the Lord. And, to call out his name in a thread called, "What are Your Thoughts on Effeminate Men in the Name of Christ," and insinuate that John R. Rice is an effeminate man of God is a lie, deceitful, and a shame.
  5. Welcome to the forum Jim. Hope we can get to know one another better.
  6. Jim, Thank you for reading my 7/29/17 post. Wow! It has been over two years since I wrote that testimony. My 7/29/17 post was just a personal testimony on how we started two churches on Taiwan. For your information, we are missionaries to Taiwan and are sent by our home church to start churches on the field that God has called us to. I did not write that post to take sides in this issue and if you notice I have not commented on the "home church movement" here in the Sates issue for my own personal reasons. Also, I rarely answer "what if" type questions nor do I answer for other people and what they think. If you want my thoughts on ordination you may want to visit this thread: I will not probably discuss much more on this thread. Alan
  7. I do hope that you will not be an outsider very long. Welcome to Online Baptist.
  8. Throughout this series of lessons on the local church, it is my contention that a lot of what goes on, including the ordination of men and women that are not qualified, in the denominational headquarters is not, repeat, is not, according to what is written in the New Testament. So, in the sight of God, the ordinations, the baptisms, the methodology, "bishops", false doctrine, religious hierarchy, ecumenism, etc... by the denominational headquarters, are not valid and will not stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
  9. We will be looking at James 2:1-4 in our next lesson.
  10. Alan

    Patriotism

    May the Lord bless all of the veterans this Veterans Day. If there is anybody that would like to give a public testimony on your Veteran spouse, yourself as a veteran, or photos of a Veterans Day parade, or special Veterans Day service, please do so.
  11. “The End Note on Second Timothy – The First Bishop of Rome” The end note on the book of Second Timothy, on the Authorized Version of the Bible, commonly called the King James Version of 1611, says, “The second epistle unto Timotheus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Ephesians, was written from Rome, when Paul was brought before Nero the second time.” Considered by most saints, the book of Second Timothy, is the last book of the New Testament written by Paul the Apostle. The Apostle Paul is in prison, he is about to be beheaded by the Roman Government, and is giving his son in the faith, Timothy, some last instructions, doctrinal information, admonitions, encouragement, and a final farewell. The author of the end note is not known and it is not considered written by Paul in the Epistle nor is it considered inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is though, considered an historical fact noted by someone in the history of time to actual events and of whose name will be revealed in the courts of heaven. “The second epistle unto Timotheus ...” the Apostle Paul wrote two epistles to Timothy. “… ordained ...” Timothy was ordained into the ministry. The Apostle Paul had previously wrote to Timothy to be very careful in ordaining a man into the ministry. Paul wrote, “Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins, keep thyself pure.” 1 Timothy 5:22 The context of 1 Timothy 5:22 is of an elder, or the pastor, of a church (1 Timothy 5:17-21). Furthermore, in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 (along with Titus 1:5-9), the context is that a man who is ordained into the ministry needs to meet the qualifications of the pastor. Only the Local Church has the Authority to Ordain The apostle Paul stated, “Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.” 1 Timothy 4:14 The Bible Hub gives us the definition of presbytery - greek πρεσβυτερίου. “4244. presbuterion. Strong's Concordance presbuterion: a body of elders Original Word: πρεσβυτέριον, ου, τό Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: presbuterion Phonetic Spelling: (pres-boo-ter'-ee-on) Definition: a body of elders Usage: an assembly of elders, the Sanhedrin, officers of the church assembly, presbytery.” 1 Therefore, the meaning of “the presbytery,” in the context of 1 Timothy 4:14, is clearly pastors, or elders, of local churches. As instituted by the Apostle Paul, only the pastors of local churches can ordain another man into the ministry. Writing to Titus, Paul stated, “For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I appointed thee.” Titus 1:5 1 Corinthians 7:17 states, “But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all churches.” The apostle Paul never gave any instruction, commandment, or ordinance, to any organization outside the local church. The modern practice of ordaining a man intro the ministry at the conclusion of his graduating from a seminary is not found in scriptures. In fact, the modern practice of ordaining a man by any denomination is not found in scripture. The authority of ordaining a man in the ministry is as the practice of Paul the apostle. As an apostle, and as the example given to Timothy, and the express command to Titus, only the pastors of a New Testament, local, independent church has the authority to ordain a man into the ministry. “… the first bishop ...” The bishop, or overseer, or pastor, or elder, is the overseer of only one church. Starting with the Roman Catholic Church, the various religious denominations have changed the meaning, and practice, of a bishop being the head of one church into the overseer, or head, of numerous churches within a region. This practice is not scriptural. “… of the church of the Ephesians ...” In this case, Timothy was clearly only the overseer, or head, of the church at Ephesus. Timothy was not the overseer, or head, or bishop, over numerous churches in a given region. “… was written from Rome ...” This epistle was written by Paul the apostle in a jail cell in Rome while he was waiting for his execution. “… when Paul was brought before Nero the second time.” The first time that Paul the apostle was brought before the Roman authorities for trial is found in Acts 28:16-31. In that trial, obviously, Paul was not put to death. The second time that the Apostle Paul appeared before the Roman government, Nero had him sentenced to death. According to tradition, because Paul was a Roman citizen, the Apostle Paul was beheaded. 1https://biblehub.com/greek/4244.htm
  12. Brethren, I will be sending, "The Day of the Lord," study to a proof-reader in preparation to put this study in pdf format so that whoever wants to use it for their own personal study, or a series of lessons at church, or for whatever reason, can do so. So, if anybody has any comments, dis-agreements they want to bring forth, thoughts, bring out any mistakes that I made, or suggestions, etc... now would be a good time to bring them out in the open. I do listen to constructive criticism from those I respect (and sometimes from those I do not). God Bless! Alan
  13. Thanks for the information. I would like to add that that the folks at Maranatha Bible Baptist Church are friendly, love the Lord, and would be behind the man of God who would accept the position of pastor both in prayers, encouragement, and support.
  14. Mr. Thomas, Thank you for your replies to my set of questions on the two paragraphs that I quoted from Dan Barker's book, "godless." I could not open the pdf text file that you uploaded, but, the previous answers were sufficient in my quest to know you and your beliefs better. I am not going to debate any of the questions or answers. As with DaveW, I also think that your miss-quoting me, and twisting my post, was not good. For the records sake, I meant what I said and will make sure that everyone knows exactly what I meant. After studying your answers I have come to the conclusion that you are an atheist at heart and came here on Online Baptist to cast doubt on the inerrancy of the scriptures, promote atheism, and create an atmosphere of debate and quarrels among the brethren. If you are truly seeking the truth concerning the supposed contradiction of the three passages of scripture previously discussed, than you will accept the fact that neither one of the three passages discussed do not contradict one another. As a personal testimony. I was raised by a father that was a hard-core atheist and agnostic and I believed every word he said concerning the contradictions in the Bible, all religions were fraudulent, evolution was a scientific fact, all ministers were in the ministry for wealth, all ministers were hypocrites, and that the Bible was full of fables, legends, not logical, hell was not real and neither was heaven, and only deluded fools believed in Christ. My father's hatred for God, the Bible, the church (any church), and ministers of the gospel, was intense. As my father believed, so did I. My father simply believed that when you died you went back to the dust of the earth and that was the end of it all. While in High School I had read, and accepted as fact, the writings of Thomas Paine, "Age of Reason," I still have a copy of "Age of Reason" in my library. At 19 years old, looking at my possible death in the face while in the Vietnam War, I decided to read the little New Testament that was given to me in my induction in the military. Long story short, after reading the New Testament, hearing a message on the reality of hell, and a gospel tract, I came to the logical, and correct, conclusion that the scriptures were true and everything that my father believed, and that I accepted as factual, was not true, but was fraudulent, man's philosophy, and a monstrous lie of immense magnitude. I have seriously studied every, and I mean every, supposed contradiction written by Thomas Paine, Dan Barker, Vincent Bugliosi, and some other recent atheists, and have come to the conclusion that their supposed biblical contradictions are not contradictions. In fact, after studying the above books, and other atheist material, with your postings, I have come to the conclusion that you are an atheist. If you are really seeking truth, you need to accept the answers to the previous three passages discussed as truth and seriously consider the previous posts of the brethren here on Online Baptist.
  15. Mr. Thomas, Thank you for your reply. I will continue to wait to reply until you have the time to finish the questions as you indicated you would. Brethren, As I wrote above, I will wait to reply until Mr. Thomas finishes the last 9 questions that we are referring too. This in no way is meant to hinder any of you addressing Mr. Thomas's questions as you are inclined to do so. Alan
  16. Thank you for informing me that I skipped number 5 on the second set of questions. Thank you also for answering the answers as requested. Now I think I know you better. I will wait for your complete answers before I make any further comment.
  17. Guest Mr. Thomas, In the book, "godless" by Dan Barker, quoted below, he has a before and after statement when he discussed the preconceived discrepancy of 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9, “The Two Reigns of King Jehoiachim.” I have listed the individual points that he mentioned in the before (10 points), and after statements (7 8points), below my signature in this post. Can you please, by a clear yes or no statement, answer these before and after statements? The statements that do not require a yes or no answer can be answered by your own opinion. Thank you. Alan Dan Barker & King Jehoiachim. 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9 Dan Barker, a renowned artiest, states out his chapter on, ‘Bible Contradictions,’ with this statement, “Paul said that “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible. … The problem is not with human limitations. The problem is the bible itself. People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a literary and moral mishmash, taken seriously, causes so much discord! Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions.” 1 Please note that Barker does not believe that the Bible is worthy of any respect, is written by man, is a fraud, full of myths, legends, mistakes, full of contradictions, and is inerrant. So, he does not capitalizes the word “bible,” unless it is a specific version of the Bible. 1. Is Barker correct when he, presupposes, that the Bible has contradictions? 2. Is Barker correct when he states that it is the Bible itself that causes confusion? Or is it man that causes the confusion? 3. Is Barker correct when he states that the problem is not with man but with God? 4. If the atheist is correct in their belief that there is no God; then how can God be the problem? or the cause of confusion? 5. Barker already stated that the problem is not with human limitations, but, in a glaring contradiction, he states that the Bible, written by man, is the problem. 6. ‘Hundreds of discrepancies?’ Not so. With a careful study of each supposed discrepancy, within the direct context of each verse in question, using correct logic and correct reasoning prowess, and a careful ‘rightly dividing the scriptures,’ the discrepancies are not discrepancies. 7. Barker assumes that all religious people have ‘theological bias.’ That is quite an assumption. 8. Is the Bible really a literary and moral mishmash? 9. If the Bible was taken seriously the moral, the confusion of the different denominations, would diminish. 10. It is man, and his rebellion against the written word of God that is causing discord; it is not the Bible. In his list of supposed ‘contradictions,’ Barker does not list any possible answers to the supposed contradictions that have been set forth by men of faith. Nor does Barker quote the full scriptural passage of the supposed ‘contradictions. Nor, does Barker give the context of the supposed ‘contradictions.’ Nor does Barker give the Bible “the benefit of doubt” when the verse is taken in its historical setting, and not in our modern time setting. After listing various supposed ‘contradictions,’ including “How old was Jehoiachim when he became King?”, Barker does not examine other stories in the Bible, nor history, when there was a father as King, and his son as King, in a co-regent status. Or, if King Jehoiachim actually had two reigns separate from one another. Dan Barker, without even suggesting that there might have been a logical answer, such as a co-reign with his father at the time, or that in the scriptures a king can have two reigns, makes this conclusion, “Human beings make mistakes. The bible does contain some truth, but no honest person can pretend it is a perfect book. Combined with the exaggerations, scientific inaccuracies, borrowing from pagan sources, evidence of tampering and clearly irrelevant passages aimed at bygone, primitive, superstitious people, the contradictions underscore the fact that, on balance, the bible is not a reliable source of truth?”2 1. Barker presupposes that people who believe the Bible is perfect are not honest and are pretending it is true. Is this true? 2. Is the Bible full of exaggerations? If so, give us examples. 3. The ‘scientific inaccuracies that Barker is mentioning is the Darwinian theory of evolution. Barker stated, “Darwinism shows us that all living organisms are the result of a natural evolutionary process. We have been fashioned by the laws of nature.”3 4. Is Darwin’s theory of evolution true? 5. Is Barker correct when he said that the Bible is borrowed from pagan sources? 6. Is the Bible full of tampering and irrelevant passages? 7. Is the Bible still aimed at only bygone, primitive and superstitious people? 8. Is Barker correct in the assumption that the Bible is not a reliable source of truth? 1Barker, Dan godless, Ulysses Press: Berkeley, CA, 2008, p.222. 2Ibid, p. 242. 3Ibid. p. 219.
  18. Mr. Thomas, God does not write the scriptures for your, or any man's, private thoughts on how, or what, or what dates, or times of reigns, should be mentioned. What you think and what I think should b e mentioned is immaterial. As I clearly brought out, the scriptures are very clear that King Jeroiachim had two reigns. Therefore, it is abundantly clear that there is no contradiction between 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9. Alan
  19. 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9, “The Two Reigns of King Jehoiachim” Other Kings with Two Reigns in the Bible 1. King David was anointed king over Judah and reigned for seven years and six months (2 Samuel 2:11). “And the men of Judah came, and there they anointed David king over the house of Judah. And they told David, saying, That the men of Jabeshgilead were they that buried Saul.” 2 Samuel 2:4 King David then was anointed King over all Israel, which included Judah, and reigned for another 33 years, “So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a league with them in Hebron before the LORD: and they anointed David king over Israel.” 2 Samuel 5:3 As with King Jehoiachim, King David has two different times listed in scripture as reigning as king. “Thus David the son of Jesse reigned over all Israel. And the time that he reigned over Israel was forty years; seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.” 1 Chronicles 29:26-27 2. King David and King Solomon. In 1 Kings 1:1-40 we have the story where King David anointed his son Solomon as King. As we read further, in 1 Kings 2:10-11, after Solomon was crowned as King, we read that David is acting as a co-regent with King Solomon until the day of his death. And in 1 Kings 2:10-11 we read, “So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David. And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.” And, it was not until after the death of King David, that the scriptures state, “Then [after the death of King David in 1 Kings 2:11] sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 "And did eat and drink before the LORD on that day with great gladness. And they made Solomon the son of David king the second time, and anointed him unto the LORD to be the chief governor, and Zadok to be priest." 1 Chronicles 29:22 3. The two reigns of King Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon as written in the book of Daniel. “And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.” Daniel 2:1 Even though King Nebuchadnezzar was warned by Daniel to have a humble spirit, because of his sinful pride, God took away the kingdom from Nebuchadnezzar until he humbled himself and knew that God, from His throne in heaven, reigned, as King, over the affairs of men on the earth. In Daniel 4:1-5:36 we have the recorded historical account of this true event. After King Nebuchadnezzar humbled himself before God in heaven, his kingdom was restored to him. “At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.” Daniel 4:36 So, King Nebuchadnezzar, as King Jehoiachim, had two reigns. Conclusion After a careful study of the Bible, the two accounts, 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9, are both correct as written in Authorized Version, or commonly called, the King James Version of 1611, King Jehoiachim had two reigns as other kings in the Bible has two reigns. For a person to say that these two passages of scripture, 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9, are contradictory, and therefore the Bible is not inerrant, is a false teaching.
  20. Brethren, In checking my lessons on this thread, in my previous lessons in 1 & 2 Timothy, I noticed that I did not mention the important note on the end of the book of 2 Timothy (after 4:22) concerning the office of a bishop. Although the note is not inspired scripture, I feel that the note is an historical fact that has a bearing on the authority of the local church that needs to be addressed in these lessons. So, consider the note at the end of the book of 2 Timothy chapter 4, right after verse 22. Alan
  21. 2 Thessalonians 1:1-4, “A Local Church and Other Churches” “Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure.” 2 Thessalonians 1:1-4 The apostle Paul was very thankful that the saints at Thessalonica grew in grace. The charity of the saints at the church at Thessalonica is a glowing example to all of us. In spite of the persecutions and tribulations that they went through, they grew in grace and faith. In the same passage, it is very obvious that the church in Thessalonica was independent in scope, authority, work, and fully autonomous from other churches. So, it is clearly obvious that the other churches were local in authority and fully autonomous. There was no religious hierarchical authority, bishop, priest, or other individual or organization, binding the church at Thessalonica and the other churches together. Furthermore, the concept of an ‘universal church’ is clearly not in evidence in any form or fashion and totally foreign in this passage.
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  23. Brethren, Our next lesson on the local church will be in 2 Thessalonians 1:1-4 God bless you all. Alan
  24. 1 Thessalonians 2:14, "Followers of Other Good Churches" "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews." 1 Thessalonians 2:14 The apostle Paul had previously shown how the churches, which were regional, or local, in Judaea, a region of Israel, had suffered intense persecution by their own countrymen. The Thessalonian saints willingly followed the examples of the churches, or assemblies, of the saints in Judaea in following Christ. And, because of their faith in following Christ, and His doctrines, the Thessalonian church was persecuted by their own countrymen. The apostle Paul is very clear in his meaning. The churches in Judaea were separate congregations of believers from the churches in Thessalonica. The two regions, or local areas, were not connected, or governed, in any manner, with any ecclesiastical hierarchy, bishop, Pope, Priest, denomination, or other governmental body. The church, as a body of believers, in Thessalonica willingly made the decision to follow the example of the good churches in Judaea. A true New Testament church does not have any ecclesiastical body over them. All New Testament churches, or assemblies, are independent and make their own decisions in church matters.
  25. John, Your meaning was clear the first time your made it. SAB76 miss-used your clear meaning. Your second meaning is also very clear and worth repeating. Alan

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