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  1. One of, there are many, of the tactics of the Socialists, the Communists, and their followers, or the haters of our Democratic, Republican,  Constitutional form of government, is to bankrupt the people, or the city, or the state, or the Federal government, in order to get rid of our freedoms and install a Socialist or Communist government.

    Folks, this of how a Socialist, or Communist, or their sympathizers, are trying to destroy  our freedoms here in America by destroying our economy. The New York mayor, de Blasio, is bankrupting New York in order to destroy our economy.  


  2. Sureword,

    First of all, I think Pastor Markle explains my thoughts and I appreciate his post.

    Secondly, I would like to reference (linked below), you to an earlier comment on the subject of voting for a  "politician" or a "pastor" that may further enhance your knowledge of my thoughts. I am lamenting the fact that in times past a politician, even most Democrats, had "character." 

    I firmly believe that President Trump is the most qualified individual to function, within the bounds of the Constitution of the United States and will keep us free from the the anti-American, anti-Constitution, policies and practices, of the Socialist, Marxist ideology of the Democratic Party.   

    I also firmly believe that if president Trump kept his mouth shut a lot of times and had better character, than he would be a better example, and more presidential, than he has been.

    A vote for Biden- Harris, or Harris-Biden, is a vote for Socialism, or anarchy, or a  Communistic society here in America. A Biden-Harris administration will do away with almost all of the freedoms, especially the freedom of worship, we previously enjoyed and would entail more hatred, violence, and lawlessness we experience today.

    A vote for the re-election of President Trump is a vote for our Democratic, or Republican, system of government to continue and a vote for increased safety from the Marxist rioters in the Democratic controlled states.


    On 8/10/2016 at 9:23 PM, Alan said:

    Excellent!  :clap:

    1. Trump will not take away our constitutional right for freedom of worship and I believe he will stop the current governmental promotion of Islam. I am of the belief that Trump will not hinder the churches. I am of the opinion that Trump will help the chuches regain some of the rights to express our Christian more openly.

    2. Trump will help the cause of the Jews and the nation of Israel. 

    I sincerely hope so. Either way, Trump has let it be known by a public stance that he openly accepts Christianity.

    I am very happy that this was brought out.

    We are voting for the President of the United States, a public office, and not a church office. The qualifications for a man in the ministry is not the qualifications of a man seeking public office. Nor should Christians be limited to only to vote for dedicated Christians. When a man takes up arms and fights for his country he is fighting for the Constitution and for the government to follow the Constitution; not the qualifications for a church office. God gave the government to responsibility to defend (physically), the citizens. It is the responsibility of the man of God, the church, to stand up and defend the spiritual (doctrines), of the scriptures. I am not voting for a pastor.

    Our thoughts on electing officials to run our government should be:

    1. Will they follow the constitution?

    2. Will they help America?

    3. Will they abide by the laws of America?

    4. Will they continue to permit the freedom of religion?

    5. Will they allow open Christian activities? Witnessing in public. Distributing Bibles. Etc...

    6. Will they hinder the church?

    I am of the firm conviction that Trump will help the cause of the Lord Jesus and not hinder it. Trump knows that Christianity has helped democracy and not hindered it.

    One of the reasons why Bill Clinton, Obama, and Hillary is against Christianity is that they are against democracy and our Constitution. They, and a lot of liberals, are either Socialist or Communists.

    For the above reason stated by Ronda, some Christians would not vote for Ronald Reagan.

    Ronald Reagan was hounded by the press continually, hated by the liberals, condemned by many liberal churches, and the list could go on.




    1 hour ago, SureWord said:

    Are we voting for a politician or a pastor?


  3. On 9/8/2020 at 3:21 AM, John Young said:

    and to reclaim his earthly throne (The ark of the convent), as shown in the visions of Ezekiel. This throne will be transported to Israel’s desolate house (the Temple in Israel), upon which the Ani-Christ will attempt to claim by placing his image upon it (2 Thess 2:4, Ezekiel 8). This Act cause God's glory to appear upon the throne, who then directs seven angels judge the wicked and seal the righteous in the temple and in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 8). This event will anger the Anti-Christ who will then retaliate by initiating war against the saints who flee Jerusalem and enter the wilderness (Matthew 24:15-22). The anti-Christ will then initiate the “Great tribulation purge” by slaughtering any non-sealed but repentant people he can find and will reclaim the city (Psalm 79:1-4) but not the temple or the inner court which will be divinely protected so that he two prophets God chooses can witness in the inner court before the temple doors to the world (Revelation 11).

    I appreciate the study and agree with most of it. The only thought that I have is that I do not see that the Temple in the tribulation period is the temple that we see as written in the book of Ezekiel. And, I understand your reference to Psalm 79:1-4 as many Jews will loose their lives at the Tribulation Temple. But, I see that Psalm 79:1-4 is a main reference to the destruction of Solomon's temple by Nebuchadnezzar. 

    It has been my understanding the temple is Revelation 11 is a temple built by the Jews during, or just before, the 7-Year Tribulation and that the Temple in Ezekiel 40-48 is the Millennial Temple.

  4. Brethren,

    Here is the link to the PDF "Accurate Scientific Statements in the Bible."

    Note on September 8, 2020: I had to revise the PDF copy to correct some formatting, grammatical and other minor errors. Here is the link to the updated PDF copy. Sorry for any inconvenience.


    https://preceptpublications.org/Accurate Statements Bible Internet 09.08.20.pdf

    I am considering this thread on "Scientific Facts in the Bible" still open for discussion. Also, there is some new material in the PDF manuscript. If a question, or a comment, in some part of the PDF manuscript that you want discussed, than please feel free to do so.

    It is my hope that you may benefit, and be blessed, and realize the error of the evolutionary theory (not fact), from the "Accurate Scientific Statements in the Bible" manuscript. The more that I study the issue the more I realize the wonder of the creative acts of God in the Universe. 

    May God richly bless all of you.


  5. May God give you wisdom in your relationship with your cousin and bless your efforts in leading him to Christ. Maybe in this time of his serious trouble due his previous decisions he will see the eternal consequences of his actions and trust in Christ.

  6. Hello Isaak and welcome to the forum. :23_29_124:

    Glad to know that you made the decision to start on the right path of Bible reading. As we read, study and meditate on the scriptures the Lord will guide you. "The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple." Psalm 119:130

    Looking forward to some fine fellowship and discussions. 🙂


  7. 12 hours ago, John Young said:

    Bible study is WORK (II Tim. 2:15), and a lazy man will live in ignorance. Cross-reference checking is an area where work must be applied. I say cross-references in distinction from other kinds of reference checking, such as dictionaries, maps, concordances, etc. Cross-referencing is the study of finding out what GOD says about His word, rather than what man says. Dictionaries, commentaries, and other books can be a great aid to Bible study, but not when they contradict God’s word.


    Maybe if we took the words of John Young in the above quote we may arrive at his intended thoughts. Maybe if you looked at every word that John Young mentioned concerning "cross-referencing" you may understand his intentions better and find less fault or excuses to accept the reasoning for changing the Authorized Version by using the Greek and Hebrew.

    Quite frankly, Every last translator of these modern versions, starting from the Revised Version of 1881, uses the Greek and Hebrew language (and all language difficulties), as a pretext to justify their changes to the Authorized Version, the King James Version of 1611.


  8. President Donald Trump is promoting the message of Democracy and trying to combat Communism around the world. A case in point is Taiwan. Taiwan is a democratic nation ruled by LAW as written in their Constitution. The Democracy of Taiwan is in stark contrast to the Communist Chinese that rules by rule of force, intimidation, and coercion, in mainland China. Taiwan is Free China.

    The Constitution of Taiwan, the Republic of China, initiated by Sun Yat Sen, followed by Chaing Kai Shek, and fully implemented by President Lee Deng Hui (who died last week), and is patterned after the Constitution of the United States.

    While Communist Chinese planes intimidated Taiwan, President Trump sent Mr. Alex Azar, US Secretary of Health and Human Services, the highest-level official meeting since 1979 to visit the freely elected President of Taiwan, Miss (Taiwan has a female President), Tsai Ing-wen, to confer together concerning Taiwan's excellent COVID-19 response.

    The Taipei Times reported, "President Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) yesterday met with US Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar in the highest-level official meeting between the two nations since 1979." 1

    1Taipei Times, Tsai meets Azar at Presidential Office, Accessed on: 11 Aug. 2020. Available from:  

    https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/08/11/2003741463 Internet.


    Cabinet Secretary Alex Azar related President's Trump's support for Taiwan, “It is a true honor to be here to convey a message of strong support and friendship from [US] President [Donald] Trump to Taiwan,” 2

    Cabinet Secretary Alex Azar talked about Taiwan's excellent COVID-19 success and Taiwan's democratic values, “Taiwan’s response to COVID-19 has been among the most successful in the world, and that is a tribute to the open, transparent, democratic nature of Taiwan’s society and culture.” 3

    2Taipei times, Tsai meets Azar at Presidential Office, Accessed on 11 Aug. 2020. Available from:  https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/08/11/2003741463 Internet.

    3Taipei Times, Tsai meets Azar at Presidential Office, Accessed on: 11 Aug. 2020.https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/08/11/2003741463  Internet.


  9. For everybody's information, Lin Yutang was a prolific Chinese writer. Born in China, his father was a minister, but, Lin became a pagan, and after a period of time, due to his wife's influence, became a Christian. Lin eventually moved to Taiwan, where his books are popular ( I have a couple of his books), and he died in Taipei, Taiwan.

    Due to Lin's changing of his philosophy, religion, country of residence, and political views, his writings sometimes conflict.

    Here is a Wikipedia article about Lin Yutang: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Yutang

    Here is Lin Yutan's Chinese name:  林語堂,

  10. False religions usually either start with a false prophet, or false teacher, and then usually, eventually, create a false Bible to supplant the real set of scriptures.

    For example. The Mormons started with a false prophet (Joseph Smith) and wound up having a set of false scriptures, the Book of Mormon.

    Mohammad, a false prophet, eventually had a false set of scriptures, the Quran, to supplant the real Bible. Here is the link to the Wikipedia article that has a more detailed history of the Quran.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

    Here is a somewhat abbreviated, but very good idea, of the Quran, by the David Wood website, "Acts17Aploigetices," that may give us more practical insight of the Quran, the author, Mohammad, and the results of obedience by the Muslims; Jihad, and the killing of the Apostates (non-Muslims).


    Here is the link to the Wikipedia article, Sharia Law, how the Quran, the Muslims, want to replace the laws of all the countries of the world, including the Constitution of the United States, with Sharia Law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

  11. SureWord and all Concerned,

    I understand what you said and I am very thankful for your support for Trump.

    My thoughts are this. I did not want anybody to derail this thread by discussing the pro and cons of the riots, nor do I want those who detest President Trump, or his policies, to derail it by changing the subject.  

    If, for example, we let this thread continue on the riots, even though we are against the rioters, than the thread would be derailed by those who will take opposite sides and take advantage of the dissension within this thread to force the moderators, or force me to ask the moderators, to close this thread.

    One of the reasons, in spite of opposition to the subject matter of this thread, that this thread is still active after three years running, is that I keep a very narrow focus on the subject matter. I deliberately keep the focus very narrow and very limited in scope and sometimes appear, guilty as charged: 'touchy.'  I am sorry if I offended you and it is my desire to have you an active participant in this thread and in my other threads.

    SureWord, it is my hope that as you, and anyone else concerned with the good things president Trump has accomplished to benefit America, to search the news, and when you find an article, or a speech, that fits the criteria of this thread, to include that article, or speech, in this thread.

    May God continue to Bless America through the good actions of our elected leaders.





    On 7/16/2017 at 7:38 AM, Alan said:

    BabeinChrist and Brethren,

    I fully understand the faults of President Trump and the degrading power of politics in our country.

    As I have previously brought out on several occasions, and JimAlaska, a Moderator, found it appropriate to agree with my thoughts, that this thread is limited to only the polices of President Trump is doing to make our country great again by defeating the legislative actions of the previous administrations. As JimAlaska, and I have brought out previously, if you want to bring out President Trumps' bad characteristics, associations we do not agree with, and other detrimental characteristics that he has, please do so in your own thread.

    As a polite reminder, here are three of the admonitions that I am referring too:



    I humbly request that only those policies that President Trump creates that will help America great be brought to our attention. All other issues need to be in another thread as per the admonition of JimAlaska.

    I want to thank all of you for adhering to my request.



    35 minutes ago, SureWord said:

    If Trump wins again expect the riots and violence to increase tenfold. 


    Thank you for your participation in this thread. I do need to remind you that all comments in this thread are to be strictly adhered to the policy of only those, "... policies that President Trump creates to help America great be brought to our attention."

    We are well aware that there are riots in America and that some folks have their own opinion of the riots and what may or may happen after the election. But, what you posted is of no concern in this thread. If you want to start your own thread on what may or may not happen after the election, that is your prerogative. But, may I ask politely, leave such comments off of this thread.

    What I wrote about the economy improving dramatically under the good leadership of President Trump is good for America and worthy of discussion. let us keep this thread in that same vein of thought.

    Thank you for accepting my admonition.


  13. One of the direct benefits attributed to President Trump's leadership in DE-regulating many of the previous administrations business anti-business decisions is that the export of American goods to other countries was a 14-positive monetary gain for the United States in the trade deficit. This is good news for American business and therefore to the American manufacturing base and attendant workers employed in those factories.

    The New American records, "The U.S. Department of Commerce reported on Wednesday that exports of goods from the United States jumped from $90 billion in May to more than $102 billion in June, an eye-popping 14-percent gain. This had the effect of reducing the trade deficit by six percent and adding that amount to the country’s measure of economic output.

    The rebound was led by an astonishing 144-percent surge in shipments abroad of both motor vehicles and motor parts. Other capital goods sent to foreign consumers soared 11 percent, while consumer goods exported increased by more than 12 percent." Here is the link to the article on The New American:  https://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/36548-u-s-exports-jump-14-percent-in-june-adding-to-gdp-reflecting-economic-recovery


    This news is astounding and should be on the front page of every newspaper in America!

    One of the reasons why the communist, Antifa, rioters, and the Democrat politicians, and the left-leading newspapers hate President Trump is that he is a patriotic American trying, and succeeding, to build America up first instead of the global community of nations.

  14. The Lord Jesus stated, "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."

    The Lord Jesus condemned the religious lost of His generation because they did not repent. When a person, like the Ninevites, or the thief on the cross, repents from the heart and trusts in God, as in the Old Testament saints, or a belief in Christ, as the New Testament saints, they are eternally saved.

    The Ninevites were eternally saved, spiritually, and then God, because He saw their works, and did not judge their nation after the forty days were over.

    So, yes, the Ninevites were saved spiritually and then physically. In other words, in both the spiritual and sense of the word.

  15. Brethren,

    At this point in these studies I must make three special notes concerning the internet links to the quotations by Pastor Steven Anderson.

    1. I had, a long time ago, back in 2019 and before, copied the complete Revelation study (all 22 chapters), internet videos of Pastor Steven Anderson and the associated PDF files.

    2. In the process of time, due to the PDF files on the videos not having scripture references, and some other data, I put the PDF files in 'hard-copy' and then listened to the videos in an effort to make sure every scripture reference was on the PDF 'hard-copy' and to assure myself that I had quoted Pastor Anderson correctly.

    3. On July 7, 2020, YouTube "DE-platformed' almost all of Pastor Steven Anderson YouTube channels. Some of his followers are uploading some, not all, of the Anderson videos onto their own personal or church YouTube channels. And, Pastor Anderson still has the Faith Baptist Church website, and a personal website, still on the internet.

    Therefore, the internet links of the Pastor Steven Anderson videos are not all available, or, they may be available on other YouTube channels as time goes on. 

    So, if a question does arise concerning an quote that I upload on a video by Pastor Anderson cannot be found on the internet I do have a 'hard-copy' in my files to back up my quote.


  16. Ezekiel 45:8. “According to their Tribes”

    The prophet Ezekiel prophesied, “… and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes.” Ezekiel 45:8c.


    The “land” as prophesied by Ezekiel is exactly what it is: the physical land of Israel. The “tribes” as prophesied by Ezekiel is exactly what it is: the tribes of the 12 sons of Israel.

    The Church Age saints have no ‘tribes,’ either symbolically, allegorically, or literal. The physical land nation of Israel, from the Babylonian Captivity and up to the present era, has not been allocated to the 12 tribes of Jacob. The only possible, and correct, interpretation is that God is going to restore the ‘House of Israel,’ the twelve tribes of Jacob, to the physical land of Israel as Ezekiel prophesied in the future.

    The promise of the allocation of the land to Israel to the 12 tribes of Israel has never been yet fulfilled, nor annulled, nor changed, nor given to the church. According to the Paul the apostle, every word of the prophets must be fulfilled; every prophecy, and every promise, by Ezekiel awaits a future fulfillment. Galatians 3:15-17, “Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that is should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance by of the law, it is not more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

    It is also very clear that Abraham, King David, and the other Old Testament saints, did not receive, as yet, the promises given to them by God verbally or through the prophets. The writer of Hebrews expresses it this way, “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.” Hebrews 11:13 The saints in the Old Testament realized that heaven was their true home, Hebrews 11:14-17, and that the earthly promises given to them was part of the overall plan of God leading up to eternity in Heaven, and then, as Isaiah promised, after a glorious period of time of the restored Israel, Isaiah 65:17, the New Heaven and the New Earth. After his discourse on faith, the promises of God, heaven, a better resurrection, persecution, the writer of Hebrews concludes, “And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise. God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.” Hebrews 11:39-40

    Revelation 17:10 – All, Every Last One, of the Prophecies & Promises will be Fulfilled

    According to the mighty angel in Revelation 10:1-11, all, every one of, the prophecies, and promises, of the Old Testament prophets will be fulfilled at the time of the events as depicted in the Book of Revelation. “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, which he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” Revelation 17:10. One of the reasons why the a-millennial, the cults, the preterist, and the teachers of the Replacement Theology teachers cannot understand prophecy is that they believe that the prophecies of the Old Testament prophets were fulfilled in their age, or was fulfilled no later than 70 AD, or was fulfilled in the church, and that the events of the Book of Revelation are not prophetic but historical. According to the words of the mighty angel in Revelation 17:10, all of these teachers are in error.

    The prophecy of Ezekiel 45:8, the allocation of the land of Israel, to the 12 tribes of Israel, as with the other prophecies concerning the restoration of Israel, and the promises given by God, by the Old Testament prophets, are still future.

    Therefore, according to Paul the apostle, the promise of Ezekiel, and the other unfulfilled prophecies of the prophets, awaits a future fulfillment, “For I wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen accrediting to the flesh; Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.” Romans 9:3-4 In God’s good timing, all of the prophecies and promises of Ezekiel, and the other prophets, will come to pass to lead up to the New Heaven and the New Earth.

    The 144,000 sealed of the Tribes of Israel of Revelation 7:1-8

    The book of Revelation was written in 96 AD by John the Apostle from a direct vision from God. The book of Revelation is a book of prophecy; it is not a history book. The book of Revelation is the fulfillment of the prophecies, promises, and covenants given to Abraham, Isaac, and the house of Israel. Therefore the only way to correctly interpret the book of Revelation is through the writings of the prophets in the Old Testament.

    John the apostle saw, “And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of God were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.” Revelation 7:5-9.

    Since the days of the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, to our era, the Jewish race has not been able to know which tribe that they belong to. The angel sent by God is the one who will seal the 144,000 by their tribes. God fully knows which Jew belongs to which tribe. As the Jewish remnant are gathered together, they will be told as needed, by the angel, or the 144,000, or a prophet sent by God.

    The scripture is very clear that these 12 tribes, the complete 144,000 men, are from, “all the tribes of the children of Israel.” (Revelation 7:4). There is no symbolic, or allegorical, or spiritual, words or meanings. The 144,000 are sealed by an angel, during the 7-Year Tribulation Period, and those sealed are the descendants of Jacob, Jewish men, from Israel.

    The Lord Jesus prophesied, Matthew 24:31, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Mark 13:27, “And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.” During the 7-Year Tribulation period, as the Jewish 144,000 men witness, large numbers of people, including from the Jewish race, will be saved. After the 3 ½ mark, the anti-christ will be shown as an impostor and the Jewish race, the ones that are left alive, will realize their grievous mistake of rejecting Christ as the Messiah, and the four angels, as a great trumpet, as recorded in Numbers 10:2 to assemble the people together, will start gathering together, and journey as a nation back to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants.

    Symbolism instead of Belief - The Error of the A-millennialist, the Cults,

    Mauro, Laymon, Hendriksen, Sullivan, Anderson, & Other False Teachers

    A-millennial teaching, or Preterism, with its numerous interpretations, teaches that the prophecies, and promises, of the Old Testament were already fulfilled, are symbolic, allegorical, spiritual, or are given to the church; Replacement Theology. The A-millennialist, or the preterist, in my estimation, does not believe the Bible as it is written.

    As most cults use symbolism exclusively, we will use the Jehovah's Witnesses as an example. Even though the Jehovah’s Witnesses previously believed that the 144,000 were literal, now they always believe that the 144,000 are spiritual and are Jehovah’s Witnesses in some aspect, “Meantime, the victorious Messianic King has been gathering the remaining ones of the 144,000 spiritual Israelites that they may be sealed in their foreheads with the “seal of the living God” as his special possession. (Revelation 7:1-8; Matthew 24:31).”1

    Philip Mauro, being a Preterist, believes that the list of 12 tribes is symbolic of the redeemed and we need to look at the meanings of the names of the 12 tribes to understand the vision. Mauro states, “But if we regard this vision as being, like all the others, composed of symbols, then we may hopefully look for an explanation of the peculiarity referred to. My suggestion is that the desired explanation will be found in the meanings of the names of Jacob’s twelve sons.”2 After the quotation, Mauro goes into a lengthy list of meanings for the 12 tribes of Israel and leaves it up to the reader to determine which applies to whom.

    Charles Laymon, being a Preterist, states, “Although there probably is a Hebrew source for this reference to the twelve tribes, it is used here in regard to the faithful in the Christian church which the New Testament views as the Israel of God. That these tribes are not to be taken literally is evident from the fact that one tribe, Dan, is omitted and that Joseph and Manasseh overlap since the latter comprises part of the former. Accordingly, R. H. Charles concludes that the 144,000 belong to the spiritual, not to the literal, Israel. All peoples and nations make up this group.”3

    William Hendriksen, being a Preterist, symbolizes the the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8 thusly, “It is very clear, therefore, that the sealed multitude of Rev. 7 symbolizes the entire Church Militant of old and new dispensation. … The one hundred forty-four thousand sealed individuals out of the twelve tribes of literal Israel symbolize spiritual Israel, the church of God on earth.”4

    Michael Sullivan, representing the full-preterist, has this novel (and erroneous), symbolic interpretation of the 144,000 listing in Revelation 7:1-8, “The First Resurrection and the Resurrection of the “Rest of the Dead” Those participating in the “first resurrection” is a subject that has been previously addressed in chapters 7 and 14 – these being the first century Jewish “first fruits” or 144,000 that were the first to believe in Christ and continued enduring through the great tribulation until the end. Therefore, they would partake in the harvest/resurrection at the end of the Old Covenant Age. These are those who are coming out of their “graves” through the preaching of the gospel (John 5:24-27) and would soon participate and be joined with the rest of the dead in the consummative resurrection event.”5

    Steven Anderson takes a partial Preterist position on the 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8. Concerning the 144,000 from Revelation 7:1-8 and 14:1-5, Anderson, after a convoluted, and confusing, series of miss-applied scriptures, irrational thinking, rants against the Jewish race, and a twisted history of the Jewish nation, states, “In fact, the 144,000 are already in heaven right now. They’re Old Testament saints who’ve passed on thousands of years ago.”6

    Concerning the erroneous, and numerous, false beliefs of the last days, the Apostle Paul stated, “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:7


    The prophet Ezekiel prophesied in Ezekiel 45:8c, “and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes” and then enumerated the list of the tribes in Ezekiel 28:1-29 in order to clearly show that the physical land of Israel would be restored to the physical 12 tribes of the sons of Jacob. None of this prophecy is symbolic, an allegory, or of a spiritual interpretation. Furthermore, the prophecy in Ezekiel 45:8c has not come to pass in the history of mankind up to our age.

    The prophet Ezekiel prophesied that the land would be given to the tribes of Israel. Since the day that Ezekiel penned these words none, in any sense of the word, have been fulfilled. Therefore, it is an inescapable conclusion that the prophecy is still future. And, it is an inescapable conclusion that, according to the prophecy of John the apostle, the tribes will one day be gathered together, to be witnesses during the 7-Year Tribulation Period.

    As John the apostle stated, “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of God were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.” Revelation 7:5-9. The scripture is very clear that these 12 tribes, the complete 144,000 men, are from, “all the tribes of the children of Israel.” (Revelation 7:4). There is no symbolic, or allegorical, or spiritual, words or meanings. The 144,000 are sealed by an angel and those sealed are the descendants of Jacob, Jewish men, from Israel in order to proclaim the gospel to the world and prepare the descendants of Jacob to return to the land of Israel.

    1Jehovah’s Witnesses, Then is Finished the Mystery of God, (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society: New York, 1969), P.357.

    2Mauro, Philip, Of the Things Which Soon Must Come to Pass, (Grand Rapids, MI: WM. B. Eerdmans, 1933), Page 250.

    3Laymon, Charles, M. The Book of Revelation, (New York – Nashville: Abingdon Press), 1960, Page 105.

    4Hendriksen, William, More than Conquerors, (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1939, 1967), Page 134.

    5Sullivan, Michael, A Full Preterist Response, Accessed on: 27 July 2020. Available on: https://fullpreterism.com/a-full-preterist-response-to-holy-land-end-time-holy-war-eschatologies-part-3-christian-dispensational-zionism/. Internet.

    6Anderson, Steven Anderson, Revelation 7, Accessed on 30 April 2019. Available on: http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/revelation_7.html. Internet.

  17. On 6/29/2020 at 8:48 AM, John Young said:

    Understanding The Psalms
    A handbook for Spiritual Christian Growth

    Book 1 (Psalms 1-41): How to Be Blessed by God (Downward Blessing)
    Book 2 (Psalms 42-72): Learning To Trust God (Upward Trust)
    Book 3 (Psalms 73-89): The Believer's Worldly Struggle (Outward Reality)
    Book 4 (Psalms 90-106): Going to God for Protection (Inward Faith)
    Book 5 (Psalms 107-150): Learning to Praise God (Pressing Onward)

    "The Psalms" is a harmonious collection meant to be meditated upon and mastered in progresive order, to foster spiritual growth and understanding. Learned as a whole, greater truth emerges then if learned as separate units.

    Book 1 teaches the Believer how to maximize blessings from God and how to remove those things which would cause God to oppose or hinder us.

    Book 2 teaches us to thank God for his blessings in our lives and how to build our trust in him, knowing that He will help and sustain us in all things.

    Book 3 takes our faith (reliance on God in all things developed from previous books) and pits it against the encroaching evil of the ungodly world system.

    Book 4 shows the protection God has for the believer who trusts in him and how to take full advantage of his protection while living in an ungodly world.

    Book 5 Having given us spiritual power for our own growth and defense, we are now taught how to go on the offensive by Praising God. When we learn to use the many tools and methods to boldly praise God, we can push back the evil of this world and save others, who can then also be blessed by God.

    Feel free to share your observations of the Psalms!


    I think you have some fine thoughts on the Book of Psalms being used as a source of Christian growth and understanding of the scriptures. It is my hope that you develop it further for all of us to enjoy and meditate on.


  18. Christian Growth

    Psalms 105:1-6, “A Rejoicing Heart”


    King David realized that all of the blessings of this life came from God. King David was a mature saint. As a child David trusted the eternal salvation of his soul to a merciful and loving God. As he grew his faith became stronger and he eventually became a mature saint. Although not written in King David’s era, David realized this tremendous truth, James 1:17, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1:17,

    Psalm 105 was written when King David brought the Ark into the Temple as recorded in 1 Chronicles 16: 1-12 King David had given his Psalm in honor to God. 1 Chronicles 16:1, “So they brought the ark of God, and set it in the midst of the tent that David had pitched for it: and they offered burnt sacrifices and peace offerings before God.” Also, 1 Chronicles 16:7-11says, “Then on that day David delivered first this psalm to thank the LORD into the hand of Asaph and his brethren. Give thanks unto the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people. Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works. Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD. Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.” As we grow as a Christian, we understand that all of the honour for our growth, in all aspects of life, comes from God.

    Verse 1 A Grateful Heart

    Psalm 105:1, “O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.” King David gave thanks unto the Lord from a grateful heart.

    Gratefulness – A Chinese Proverb 「飲水思源」

    An English translation of the Chinese proverb 「飲水思源」says, “When one drinks water, one thinks of its source. - to be grateful for for favours received; not to forget one’s origin.”

    King David said, “Call Upon His Name.”

    The eternal salvation of our soul in heaven is the most important reason to call upon the name of the Lord. When a person realizes he is a sinner, and wants to avoid paying the penalty in hell, and calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus to save him, then God will save his soul. Romans 10:13 says, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

    King David said, Make known his deeds.”

    The Book of Psalms is King David’s way of making known the deeds of the Lord. Even to our day and age, the Book of Psalms are a testimony of the working of God in the lives of His people.

    Verse 2 Sing and Talk

    Psalm 105:2, “Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him: talk ye of all his wondrous works.” King David lets us know that we need to do two things; (1) Sing. (2) Talk of the wondrous works of God. As a Christian goes through the trials of life, he can either grow in grace and have a happy heart in trying circumstances or he can become a grouch and, complain, and blame God for the trials of life. A person is a mature saint when he can sing during the trials of life.

    A Christian needs to be at church services in order to grow. When we assemble at church we like to sing songs. When we sing, we praise God, and it encourages our hearts. When our relationship with God is right, then we usually have a happy heart, we like to come to church and sing songs. Colossians 3:16, “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” The apostle Paul also said, Ephesians 5:19, “Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.”

    The Bible is full of the wondrous works of God: The Creation. The Millennial Reign of Christ. The Church. The Lord Jesus Coming Again. Our Glorified Bodies. Heaven. The New heaven and the New Earth. As a saint understands the wondrous works of God he delights, and grows in grace, he enjoys telling others what God did in his life and the works of God as revealed in the Bible.

    Verse 3 A Rejoicing Heart

    Psalm 105:3, “Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.” A mature saint is a rejoicing saint. A mature saint is a saint who knows that God is holy and treats His name, His word, and His work as a holy work. Psalms 111:9 says, “He sent redemption unto his people: he has commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.” The name of God is holy and His word, the Bible is holy. We need to glory in the name of God. Immature saints, foolish people, miss-use, or blaspheme, the name of God. Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people hath blasphemed thy name.” Psalm 74:18

    The mature Christian has a rejoicing heart. The Bible is full of many good promises to every Christian. (1) We have eternal life in heaven. (2) Heaven is a perfect environment. (3) In heaven there is no politicians, war, disease, virus, crime, sin or the Devil. We will have a new body that can never die, get sick or grow old. Remember, the apostle Paul wrote these words from a prison cell, “Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice.” Philippians 4:4

    Verse 4 Seek the LORD

    Psalm 105:4, “Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.” A saint who wants to become a mature Christian, will seek the Lord and His ways. Matthew 6:33, “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”

    Verse 5 -6 God’s Marvellous Works, Wonders and Judgments

    Psalm 105:5-6, “Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth. O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.In this verse King David tells us that we need to remember three things.

    One. God’s Marvellous Works

    Some of His works are: The creation of the world. The creation of mankind. The Exodus of the Jews from Egypt. The Giving of the Law on Mt. Sinai. The prophets. The work of the Lord Jesus on the Cross. The church. The Judgments of God as prophesied in the book of Revelation. The New Heaven and the New Earth.

    Two. God’s Wonders

    The natural beauty of the earth is from God. In six days, God made all of the natural wonders of this earth and the planetary systems. A mature saint understands that the theory of evolution is a ‘falsely so-called” fable and that God created the Universe as written in Genesis 1.

    Three. The Judgments of His Mouth

    When God speaks we need to listen. In the Bible, there will be two more judgments from God in the future. A saint experiences Christian growth when he realizes that God will judge all sin; whether a person is a Christian or not a Christian.

    Judgment for the Christian. The Judgment Seat of Christ

    2 Corinthians 5:10 says, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good of bad.”

    Judgment for the Lost. The Great White Throne of Judgment

    Revelation 20:11-15 “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which are written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

    Conclusion – A Love of the Scriptures

    In order to grow as a Christian a person needs to realize his spiritual needs, to have a rejoicing spirit in trying circumstances, to love the church and assemble together, and to realize that God will Judge all people. Christian growth is experienced as we read the scriptures, meditate on the scriptures, accept the message and the doctrines of scriptures as it is written. The Bible is the light of our soul, the guidance of God in our lives, gives us an understanding of the events around us and how to conduct ourselves as saints, gives us joy in our hearts, and like milk and meat for the body, God uses the scriptures to help us grow as a Christian.

    King David expressed it best when he said, “The entrance of thy words giveth light: it giveth understanding unto the simple.”


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