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  1. Hello Lydia! Glad to have you here. Sorry to hear that your friends house burnt down the other day. The folks here are interested in Australia, their problems, the recent fires for example, and for the proclamation of the gospel in Australia. Recently a close pastor friend of mine, Pastor Shane Mallard, started on the deputation trail for Australia. 

    Most folks here are familiar with brother David Cloud and highly respect him for his work as a missionary and in his publication, "O Timothy" magazine and fine books. I am sure that he wants to be a blessing to the folks at the church that he visited in Australia and help them in the correct biblical view of the pre-tribulation coming of Christ, the rapture, of the church.

    Most folks here are of the pre-tribulation rapture of the church position.

    After a careful study of the scriptures, both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament, it is my firm conviction that the pre-tribulation teaching is correct and that, as John explained briefly, why the post-trib rapture teaching is incorrect. What John Young wrote is entirely true and if you have specific questions why he said what he did he could explain in detail.

    I am sure that if you have a specific passage that you have a question about the timing (not the exact date but whether the rapture is before or after the 7-Year Tribulation Period), or another question concerning why some folks believe in the post-trib position, we would gladly like to discuss it.


  2. 10 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

    I have come to agree with that assessment, but what concerns me now is the situation developing in the State of Virginia: why has President Trump not weighed in on this? Or at least made a statement about it?

    I am not sure why and it is a serious matter.

    But, I will give two thoughts. A year or two ago, I read a well thought out article on why Trump has not pared down the debt of the U. S. that may, or may not, have a bearing on the Virginia situation. I forgot where I read the article. Maybe it was on, "The New American." The New American has a lot of good, well-written, articles concerning globalism, conservatism, laws, the agenda of the left leaning liberals, etc... Here is the link to The New American. https://www.thenewamerican.com/

    1. Trump has a history of tackling one major item at a time. Trump knows that the debt is unrealistic and harmful to America. He also realized that in order to pare down the debt he would have to do some major, and I mean major, cutting of a lot, not just some, of the social programs in the U.S. At that time Trump stated that in his second term he would tackle the debt program.

    2. Everything, or at least almost every thing, every decision, every cost-cutting item, every immigrant situation, the "wall," etc... has been bitterly fought against by both the Democrats and the liberal Republicans. And, almost every decision that Trump has made has been contested in the courts.

    At the time of the article that I read that until Trump has two more things in his favour he would not seriously cut down the debt. Here are the two items.

    1. He had to have a majority in the Supreme Court and more conservatives in the lower courts.

    2. He needed a majority in both the House and the Senate.

    In the article it was mentioned that in his second term he would be able to do more to help undo the mess our country is in.


  3. Hallelujah!

    Thank you very much for the video on President Trump and Prayer.

    God has given us a president that is changing the TOTALITARIANISM laws by the LIBERAL LEFT, LIBERAL COURTS,  ATHEISTS  and WICKED POLITICIANS that have been trying to deprive the religious freedoms, in public places, guaranteed to the People of the United States of America by the Constitution of the United States of America.

    President Trump is trying to make America great again by getting rid of the Liberal, Socialistic, Muslim, Communist, agenda in America.


  4. A word of encouragement.

    At our last church we started, in Taiwan, in the Chinese language, with just me and my wife, and no piano player, with me as the song leader.

    We sang traditional Baptist hymns every Sunday. Most of the folks who came, one by one, did not know any of the songs and a lot of them learned new words every service. A lot of the Bible words, and expressions, were new to them as well as the tune they were sung in. So, every month or so we sang some of the same songs until the folks started to learn them and the meanings. After awhile, a long while, Rebecca came and helped with the piano playing and the songs got more better. After a while one of the young adults felt led to take piano lessons. The church paid for the piano lessons and then another young person (very young), also took lessons. Eventually, the young people took over the piano playing and, at the same time, the folks took over the whole service. 

    All in all, the church, Victory Baptist Church, has three young people who play on a rotating schedule (that they set up themselves and not me).

    In the photo below the song leader is one of our converts and the piano player is also one of our converts.

     

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    Here is my word of encouragement and my suggestion.

    Keep on singing the same hymns out of the traditional song book. Yes, most do not know the words nor the meaning of the words. Yes, you do not have a piano player. So, you just sing the best you can and if you have grace to bear the members mistakes they will bear your mistakes. By the way, my mistakes in the song services, and my preaching, were the mistakes I made was not only in my lack of singing ability but also in the language. So, I had to endure smiles of folks holding down a laugh at my language mistakes besides my lack of singing ability. Eventually, God, will move your converts, or folks moving from one church to your church, to play the piano.

    God bless.


  5. Brother D.Bovee

    In you reply to Pastor Markle, and his excellent work in the Greek language and the Greek verb semaino, Collier's Dictionary meaning, and with his understanding of Revelation 1:1, I would like to quote a verse that you used in order to justify your judgmental attitude towards us (fundamentalists). Here is the link to the thread:

    You quoted Proverbs 3:5, "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." (Proverbs 3:5). In order for us to obey this verse on to not to lean on our own understanding, and not to presume anything, but act on knowledge, we, would like for you to answer, truthfully, the following questions so we, can not make any mistakes in presumption but to rely on understanding based on correct knowledge.

    1. Since you reject the literal interpretation of the prophecies of the book of Revelation. Are you a-millennial in your interpretation of the book of Revelation?

    2. Can you give us some examples of fundamental authors that have written a commentary, or study, on the book of Revelation that you disagree with?

    3. Do you consider yourself a preterist?

    4. Can you give us a scripture verse, from the book of Revelation, that informs us when you believe the Lord Jesus comes for the church saints?

    5. Can you give us some examples of authors that have written a commentary, or study, on the book of Revelation that you agree, or partially agree, with?

    6. Will there be a restoration of the Jews to the physical land of Israel in the future?

    7. In you profile page you did not list what denomination you are. Can you tell us what denomination you are?

    8. In your profile page you said that you are not IFB. What religious background are you?

    9. Normally in forums, Online Baptist included, it is considered common courtesy to give an introduction. You did not perform this common courtesy. Would you give us an introduction? In the introduction can you give us a salvation testimony?

    D.Bovee, please give us concise answers. Ambiguous answers, evading the question answers, and answers that ask questions are rarely believed and do not give us proper knowledge nor understanding.

    Please remember, you are the one who accused us of not seeking understanding. We are seeking understanding from you in order to follow your admonition.

    Alan

     


  6. Evil Beasts

    The “evil beasts,” and “children of wickedness, is a direct reference to the false shepherds, or religious leaders, and the national leaders in the nation of Israel. False shepherds, in either the economy of the nation of Israel or in the churches in the Church Age, are like “evil beasts.” The Lord Jesus referred to the lost religious leaders in Israel as serpents and Herod, the leader in Israel, as a “fox.” Serpents and foxes are ‘brute beasts’ who destroy and not help. In Daniel 7 the great four kings of the earth are compared to beasts.

    In 2 Peter 2:12 the apostle Peter refers to the false prophets and teachers in the churches as, “natural brute beasts.” 2 Peter 2:12, “But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.”

    “… out of the land ...” is a direct reference to the land of Israel.

    David as Prince

    Also, the “prince,” it is a direct reference to the “prince’ in Ezekiel 44:1-3 and 46:1-18. The prince is to offer burnt offerings, peace offerings, meat offerings, voluntary burnt offerings, and the prince will inherit land (Ezekiel 46:16), and have sons: “Moreover the prince shall not take of the people’s inheritance by oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not scattered every man from his possession.” Ezekiel 46:18

    The Lord Jesus has never had to offer an sin offering nor will He ever have physical sons according to the nature of man. It is a scriptural impossibility for the “prince” to be the Lord Jesus in any manner; whether prophetically, literally, symbolically, allegorically, or any other sense of the word.

    And, up the time of the apostles, David, the prince of Israel, was not resurrected. Acts 2:29, “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.”

    Unmistakable Literal Prophecies of the Restoration of Israel

    And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit ...” As with other prophecies of the Old Testament, the physical blessings of the natural fruits of the trees of the field, the abundance of rain in the land of Israel, will cause an abundance of food productivity in Israel. Isaiah 35:1-10

    “… and they shall be safe in their land ...” Since the days that Ezekiel penned these words, until this very day, this prophecy has not been fulfilled. Even from the days when the Israel became a nation in May 1948, the Jews in Israel have not dwelled safely in the land. “… in their land ...” is clearly a reference to the physical land of Israel. There is absolutely no way “… in their land ...” can be construed in any other manner. Again, this is another reference (verse 13 & 25 and now verse 27), to the Jews being safe ‘in their land.’

    The prophet Zechariah prophesied, “And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.” Zechariah 14:11. The only time the nation of Israel, will be inhabited safely is during the reign of Christ as revealed in Revelation 20:4-6.

    “…and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen ...” To this day, the Jews are despised among men, a shame among men, and a physical prey to the Muslim world and a verbal prey to those who despise the Jew.

    Psalm 124

    In this Psalm King David expresses his thanks to God for His protection from the ungodly who ‘prey’ upon the Jews, with their ‘teeth.’ The haters of Israel, in their wrath, or anger, or envy, use their ‘teeth,’ the words of their mouth, because they despise the Jews, to scorn, ridicule, malign, the nation of Israel with their tongues.“If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, now may Israel say; If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, when men rose up against us: Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us: Then the waters had overwhelmed us, the stream had gone over our soul: Then the proud waters had gone over our soul. Blessed be the LORD, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth. Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped. Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.” Psalm 124:1-8

    “… neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.”

    The “beasts of the land” is a reference not only to the animals of the land, Isaiah 11:6-9, but, in the context of Ezekiel 34:1-12 and 2 Samuel 7:10, the beasts of the land is a figure of speech concerning the wicked rulers, enemy nations, and false shepherds, who act like beasts of the wilderness.

    Hosea 1:10-11 The Promise of a Future ‘Great Day’

    Hosea 1:10-11, “Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.” The ‘great day’ for the nation of Israel will be fulfilled during the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ. At that time, the nation of Israel will be completely free of the haters of Israel, and their fiery tongues, and will not suffer shame any more.

    “… in the land ...” is another clear reference to the physical, literal, land of Israel. The prophecy by Ezekiel is crystal clear that all of these promises of the reign of David as King, Prince, and the shepherd of Israel will take place ‘in the land.’

    The “plant of renown” is a figure of speech in a reference to the Messiah, the Lord Jesus. William Kelly stated, “It is absurd on every point of view to interpret these prophecies of the church or of the gospel. Then the very beasts will have their nature changed, and the earth yield its increase: for it will be the day for which creation waits, groaning still and travailing in pain, but then it is to be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

    It is the day when Messiah is raised up for them, not now rejected and despised as once, a plant of renown, and Israel shall no more either pine with hunger in the land or be a reproach of the Gentiles. Jehovah will be with them, their God, and they His people. Has He spoken, and will He not make all good? Is aught too hard, too good, for the Lord?”1

    Thus shall they know that I am the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the LORD God. And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the LORD God.” This prophecy is unfulfilled to this day. Once the remnant of the Jews return to the Lord, and trust in Christ as their Messiah and Saviour, this prophecy will be fulfilled as revealed by Paul the Apostle in Romans 11:26-27, “And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”

    God, through the prophet Ezekiel, Hosea, and Jeremiah, is crystal clear that all of these prophecies will be fulfilled after they are gathered “in the land,” and “upon the mountains of Israel.” At that time, the fulfillment of the unconditional covenant given to David in 2 Samuel 7:12-7 will be fulfilled.

    Therefore, all of the prophecies of Ezekiel 34:23-31 are literal and can not be construed as ‘allegorical,’ or ‘spiritual,’ or fulfilled in heaven with Christ on His throne in heaven. All of the prophecies have not been fulfilled up to our day, were not given to the church but await a literal future fulfillment. This prophecy of Ezekiel in Ezekiel 34: 23-31 has not been fulfilled in any sense of the word and can only be fulfilled, in every sense of the word, during the reign of Christ as written in Revelation 20:4-6

    1Kelly, William, Notes on Ezekiel, (London: G. Morrish), n.d., page 167.


  7. Brethren,

    I would like to add the following comments on the reference notes on brother David Cloud's quote concerning the Davidic Covenant, Ezekiel 34 and Hosea that I used.

    1. The actual quote that I copied was from: Way of Life Literature, August 8, 2017, Copied on December 22, 2019, <https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/is-god-finished-with-israel.php>.

    2. Brother Cloud used that quote as a reference from his book, "What About Steven Anderson." Which is available by free PDF format at: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/what_about_steven_anderson.php?sahdenial

    3. I used the quote from the August 8, 2017 article due to that if fit my Ezekiel 34 study as I wanted to use the quote.

    4. I would recommend all of the brethren to obtain the "What About Steven Anderson?" ebook, or an actual copy, as the material, from pages 68-87 is a wealth of material concerning the Davidic Covenant, Ezekiel 34, and other pertinent passages that clearly show the doctrinal truth of the literal restoration of the nation of Israel during the millennium in detail and in much clearer understanding than I can do.

    Alan


  8. Revelation 20:4b-6 The Reign of Christ & Reign of the Saints

    Revelation 20:4-6, “... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

    Ezekiel 34:23-31, the Davidic Covenant, 2 Samuel 7:12-17, Fulfilled

    After the events of Ezekiel 34:13-22, the prophet Ezekiel gives us the prophecy of the events of the Millennial reign of Christ.

    Ezekiel 34:23-31, “And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant, David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. Thus shall they know that I am the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the LORD God. And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the LORD God.”

    David as King and Shepherd of Israel

    “And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant, David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. ” When the prophet Ezekiel refers to David as the shepherd it is referring to the leadership position of David as the Prince of Israel leading the Jews as a leader.

    Also, the prophet Ezekiel is very clear that David will be king, under the Lord Jesus as KING OF KINGS, co-reigning, over Israel during the Millennial reign of Christ. “And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all. … And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and to them.” Ezekiel 37:22 & 24

    The prophet Hosea also declared that David would return, be resurrected, as the King over Israel. “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.” Hosea 3:3-5

    David Cloud mentions Ezekiel 34:23-24 as one of the proof texts that the Davidic Covenant is fulfilled literally. Cloud states, “The prophets often mention the Davidic covenant and interpret it literally (Isa. 9:6-7; 16:5; 22:22-24; 55:3-5; Jer. 23:5-6; 30:9; 33:15-26; Eze. 34:23-24; 37:24-25; Amo. 9:11-15; Zec. 12:7 - 13:1).

    For example, Hosea plainly describes the fall of Israel followed by her return and the re-establishment of the Davidic kingdom.

    For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: AFTERWARD shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days” (Ho. 3:4-5).”1

    The prophet Jeremiah prophesied that David would be raised up as king over Israel. Jeremiah 30:9, “But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.” David will be raised to be the king over Israel and be under the Lord Jesus, as the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, who will reign over all the nations of the world.

    In the relationship between Christ as king over David’s throne in Jerusalem and David also reigning, J. Dwight Pentecost stated, “David is regent in the millennium. There are a number of references which establish the regency of David in the millennium (Isa.55:3-4; Jer. 30:9; 33:15, 17, 20-21; Ezek. 34:23-24; 37:24-25; Hos. 3:3; Amos 9:11). There is no question but that the Lord Jesus Christ will reign in the theocratic kingdom on earth by virtue of the fact that He was born in David’s line and possesses the royal and regal rights to the throne (Matt. 1:1; Luke 1:32-33).”2

    “And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. ” The “evil beasts,” in the context of Ezekiel 34:25, is that of Ezekiel 34:1-22. In the context of the Davidic Covenant, God plainly states that “… neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.” 2 Samuel 7:10

    A Covenant of Peace

    “And I will make with them a covenant of peace ...” as the rest of this prophecy is clearly dealing with the Jews ‘in the land’ than the peace that Ezekiel is referring to is a literal time when the Jewish race has no fear of war, a country with cities without walls, financial instability, no corruption in the Government, and no foreign governments threatening a conflict of any kind.

    Since the day that Ezekiel penned this prophecy the Jews have not had a “covenant of peace.”

    This covenant is future and this covenant of peace will be established, and administered by, the, Prince of Peace, when “the government” is “upon his shoulders.” The prophet Isaiah prophesied, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”Isaiah 9:6. Until the day when the Lord Jesus sits on His throne governing the nations of the world there will be no lasting peace in Israel nor in any other nation on the face of this earth.

     

    1Cloud, David, “Is God Finished With Israel?” Way of Life Literature, August 8, 2017, Copied on December 22, 2019, <https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/is-god-finished-with-israel.php>.

    2Pentecost, J. Dwight, “Things to Come,” page 498.


  9. Revelation 20:4a – Judgment of the False Shepherds & Nations

    “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:” Revelation 20:4a

    After the tribulation, as prophesied in Matthew 24:1-29, the Lord Jesus will gather the flock of the remnant of the living Jews and then judgment occurs as Ezekiel prophesies in 34:13-22 and fulfilled at the beginning of the Millennial reign of Christ as written in Revelation 20:4a.

    The remnant of believing, converted, Jews have been gathered in the land of Israel. The prophet Ezekiel further prophesied of this time period in Ezekiel 36:24, “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.”

    The prophet Ezekiel, for the third time, also prophesied of the day when the Jews would be gathered from all of the countries of the world back to the land of Israel. “And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land.” Ezekiel 37:21

    The Good Shepherd will judge the evil shepherds that were left alive after the events of the 7-Year Tribulation Period transpired as He judges the nations. Revelation 20:4 and Matthew 25:31-46. The parable of the Sheep and the Goats, is the fulfillment of Ezekiel 34:13-22

    Note: In my previous study on Clarence Larkin’s book, “The Spirit World,” here on Online Baptist, I brought out Larkin’s teaching concerning Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:4-6, I then added my personal notes on the subject. Here is the link to that study:

    Note: The third passage where God tells He will gather them back in the land is quoted in the next upload as there was too much to upload this time.

    Alan

     

     


  10. In my recent study on Jeremiah 23:7-8 I quoted the error of Steven Anderson and his mistaken interpretation of Matthew 24:31. In my current lesson on Ezekiel 34:13a, and the proper interpretation of Matthew 24:31, the gathering of the elect, I would like to add this comment on how traditional IFB men of God have correctly interpreted this passage.

    Concerning Matthew 24:31, John R. Rice stated, “The miraculous regathering of living Israel to Palestine is told in verse 31, “he shall send his angels.” That is, Zionism will not bring the whole nation of Jews back to Palestine; the angels of God will gather these “elect,” chosen people, and bring them back to their own land.”1

    As I have previously brought out in earlier studies, and John R. Rice had brought out is his Matthew Commentary, when the Lord Jesus stated, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end to the other” Matthew 24:31, this “gathering” is not for the church age saints, nor was in accomplished when the modern nation of Israel was established in May 1948.

     

    1Rice, John R., A Verse-by-Verse Commentary - Matthew (Murfreesboro, TN: Sword of the Lord Publishers, 1955), page 388.


  11. We appreciate the update on the fires and are thankful that you have not been affected.

    We also appreciate your political analysis of the situation. Liberals are the same throughout the world and it seems a lot of politicians use disasters for their own agenda and let the environment, and people, and nature, suffer for their own agenda. Did not King Solomon say, "If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they." Ecclesiastes 5:8

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