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  1. I watched Noah, last night, what a great movie. I thought it brought a real human perspective in what it must have been like for Noah. I thought the whole idea of him being the "instrument" of god to rid the world of humanity was an interesting one. I agree it was VERY unbiblical. The only biblical thing was that God ignored everybody and didn't speak even to his poor fallen Angels who felt sorry for men and went to their rescue. A poor reflection of the story of Noah perhaps but a very accurate reflection of the Christian version of God who does nothing but judge and hate us. Good Movie.
  2. Operating in bad faith ? Alimantado you are a very mean spirited person. I have seen many like you in my 20 years in a baptist church and 4 years as a Baptist lay preacher. You really are a very very nasty piece of work.
  3. Thanks for your opinion Alimantado, I appreciate your response. I was actually being sarcastic regarding that person who is writing to other churches and telling other Christians that they are going to Hell. Do you really not see the arrogance in that ??? And I wish you would stop linking me to the other person I am trying to have an honest debate here.
  4. Please see my post on Paul the Heretic but HappyChristian you don't know "the prayer was intended for God not to strike them all dead right at that point" that is just foolish nonsense to deflect from the real meaning of what he was saying. He was saying that without any form of repentence, without any acknowledgement that Jesus was god by these people Jesus was still able to and did grant salvation. Dear --- people salvation was a free gift for all mankind through his son, thanks to Paul the heretic you all seem to have a really tough time accepting this. I preached a sermon on this exact topic. You MUST use Occum's Razor, Jesus actually meant "Father forgive them" and he was actually talking about ALL OF MANKIND, that actually lines up beautifully with scripture (Jesus's words not Pauls) 2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Edited to remove usage of God's name in vain. HC
  5. Don't feel bad Geneven, I feel like that every day
  6. Thanks for your response, I appreciate your honesty and respect your opinion but I have to wonder how do you not see this ? Why should anyone have to accept Jesus's words through Paul, I don;t believe Paul was even an apostle. I think the words of Jesus stand for themselves without any help from Paul and given Paul's words stand in direct contrast to those of Jesus I don't see why we should. I once preached a sermon based on the last words of Jesus he said "Father forgive them for they know what they are doing" Being a Christian means you must believe that Jesus has authority to forgive sin..yes ? and also that if Jesus stands on our behalf and says to the father "Lord fogive so and so for thier sins because I took the penalty" then you must as a Christian believe that that person is forgiven.....EVEN IF THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR NOT,,,,,,,,that is if they believe the mixed up distorted version of Jesus' truth as espoused by Christians or not. It is right there in black and white FATHER FORGIVE THEM......The sermon was saying we have no idea about the depth and grace of Jesus, he works in ways we cannot fathom and this silly little "Say a sinners prayer and be a good Christian" isn't even on his radar......you should have seen the ridiculous responses I got from so called pastors in my church saying Jesus was referiing to such nonsens as the destruction of Jerusulem in 70 AD..................no he was being very clear as he left this earth ..Father forgive them if they don't know me or not. I paid the price as you demanded.
  7. Hi DaveW, thanks for responding. why would I want to remove parts of the bible from the bible ? Because it is an incomplete inaccurate representation of what God was actually trying to say. It is merely a canonised collection of books put together by a bunch of men with an agenda. How is it not possible Christians cannot see the contradictions and Pauline tainted version of events as depicted in the bible. I have to ask the same question. Given how contradictory Paul's version of Christianity is to the real message Jesus was trying to get across why would you NOT want to remove parts of the bible. One thing I found when I was attending church every weekend was that the constant corruption of telling me the bible was the infallible word of God simply did not line up with the Jesus I was reading about in books other than the Pauline books, it polluted my mind from seeing the real Jesus. You see I LOVE Jesus now not because I have to not swear ( I do) not because I have to not drink ( I do ) not because I have to dress a certain way but because I AM FREEEEEEE. Jesus came to set the captive free !!!!!!!! He set me free from the LAW, he paid it ALL, he did it ALL he is THE MAN and Paul is a sad little egotistical man still trying to get people to live by a set of rules to gain their salvation. answer me this people here on this forum................are you really free ? I am.
  8. Ok, first of all, don;t flame me, attack me or give me any more warnings but let me tell you about my history. I got "Saved" when I was 30 after my dad died. I spent the next 15 years in a baptist church and ultimately felt God was calling me into full time ministry. I attended bible college for 4 and a half years but gradually doubts about what I was being taught at college, at church and the way so called "Christians" from my church treated me began to creep in. As a Christian I always had a strong dislike for Paul, actually it was more of a hatred even when I was preaching and at bible college I couldn't stand the bloke. To me he embodied everything Jesus wasn't. Jesus came to save us by grace, he paid the ultimate sacrifice and IN HIS WORDS. Paid for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. Then along comes Paul....Don't marry, don't eat this, don;t eat that, women should be silent,, don't dress a certain way, almost everything Paul did and said was in direct contradiction to the message of Jesus. It was as though for Paul salvation by grace wasn't good enough, he had to go and pile on layer upon layer of law JUST LIKE THE JEWS DID. It still amazes me that Christian even bother to give Paul the time of day. To me is prOBably one of the most evil dangerous destructive men in all of history. I imagine Jesus would be absolutely devastated by the damage Paul has done to poor fools living their lives under constant bondage. Let the flaming begin.
  9. Ok first of all I don't know about you people but there is NO way I am worshiping a God who send babies to Hell. Call me picky but to do so is neither loving nor just. You can try to ignore the elephant in the room as mush as you want but I think his question needs to be considered. You don't seriously think every question is answered in the small amount of scripture that we have access to as canonised in the bible do you ? Jesus said so much more and did so many more things than are recorded in the version as compiled by a group of men. I for one would have been much happier seeing the entire works of that heretic Paul removed from the bible and just had more of what the Master actually said rather than some arrogant legalistic tentmaker with a personal agenda worte to concoct his own version of Christianity, second of all John of course we should be concerning ourselves with such questions.
  10. If he wouldn't kiss another woman other than his wife than he wouldn't drive a car that wasn't his and therefore if there was a scene where his car got smashed then HIS car would have been smashed
  11. I think this guy "a nice bible name" is a trouble maker.
  12. I notice here a review of the new left behind series. Personally I believe "Fireproof" to be one of the greatest movies ever made. I think it was amazing of Kirk Cameron to do it for free. Any thoughts ? Anyone seen it ?
  13. They OBviously have no intention of balanced biblical discussion here 6589 they protect established members and when one of them attacks you and your motives they are ok with it and rebuke you. I've been here two days and have been subject to it already.
  14. Sorry to see you leave. This is OBviously such a wonderful accepting loving Chritian forum. I have been here two days and been attacked by both the moderators and board members over another users name. Can't imagine why you would not want to hang around and be critisised.
  15. I really do not want to get into a tussle having just joined this forum but I can't believe how I am being attacked on like my second post ( my first was to introduce myself) now apparently me and this fellow are the same and I have doubtful motives and you keep making references to things like 'second' person. Thank you for explaining the meaning, I had never heard of it and now understand why you found it so offensive. In my defence the first thing I said was I believe he should change it if people find it offensive (I now see why they would). What a strange attacking critical attitude you have towards me who you don't even know yet seem quite happy to make all sort of unfounded allegations. That my friend I hate to say after being here for such a very short time I find far more offensive than an unknown slang term for a part of the male anatomy.

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