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  1. There is only one gospel, and that is Jesus died for OUR sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. (1 Cor 15:3-4) Can you look an unbeliever in the eye and tell him that Jesus died for OUR sins as Paul did?
  2. Actually, the topic of the Holy Spirit is completely relevant, why did OT saints have to wait in Abraham's Bosom? And why did the Holy Spirit not indwell OT saints? I think the answer is the same, because Jesus had not ascended to heaven and sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat. Men's sins were not atoned for until Jesus offered his blood in heaven, and the Holy Spirit can only dwell in a clean vessel. I believe after Jesus offered his blood in heaven and men's sins were atoned for, THEN he was able to give the Holy Spirit to men, and the Spirit was able to dwell "in" men, not "upon" them as the OT usually shows.
  3. But there is a difference between Jesus when he walked on the earth, and after he was crucified and rose again. He died on the cross, but he can never die again. Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Jesus came in "the flesh". He was exactly like us in every way, he got hungry, tired, he was tempted in all points as we are, he could be touched with the feeling of our infirmities (weaknesses), he could physically die. He is not like that anymore, now he has a gloried body and cannot die. Jesus "emptied himself" (Phi 2:7) when he came in the flesh. I believe he had to fight sin the same way as the OT saints did, by trusting and OBeying the word of God. The scriptures do say the Spirit was "upon him", not "in him", just as was spoken in the OT. Num 11:24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. 25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp. 27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. 28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. 29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! In the OT the Holy Spirit only rested "upon" men, not "in" men, and I believe it was exactly the same for Jesus, the Spirit was only upon him. Else, if Jesus had the indwelling Holy Spirit, how could he cry out, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? We have the promise in scripture that the Holy Spirit will NEVER leave us nor forsake us. Even in the NT the scriptures say the Spirit was "upon" Jesus. Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. I think that if the Spirit was "in" Jesus, he would have said so. He did not, he said the Spirit was "upon me" just like the OT prophets. I might be wrong, but I do not know of scripture that shows differently .
  4. Everyone agrees that Jesus promised the Spirit to believers, but doesn't Acts 2:33 also say Jesus received the Holy Ghost? Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. This seems to be a fulfillment of Psalm 68:18; Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. Paul also quotes this verse in Ephesians 4:8; Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men The way I understand it is that Jesus had to ascend to the Father and receive the Holy Ghost (Spirit) from him in order to send him to believers. Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you .Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Yes, Col 2:8 says in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, but this was written after Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to the Father. I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. Scripture before this says the Spirit was "upon" Jesus, not "in" him.
  5. I agree 100% that Jesus WAS and IS God. Nevertheless, Acts 2:33 says Jesus received the promise of the Spirit from his Father. I don't understand it, I just believe it.
  6. I just believe what scripture says. Acts 2:33 says Jesus received the promise of the Holy Ghost. I didn't say that, Peter under the influence of the Holy Spirit said that. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Open your Bible and read this verse for yourself. Tell me what it says. Just because you have never heard of this before does not make it wrong. Show where the scriptures say Jesus had the indwelling Spirit before he rose from the dead, I don't believe you can show it. But there are MANY scriptures that say the Spirit was "upon" him. Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. 15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; 16 And charged them that they should not make him known: 17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. There is one verse that says Jesus was "full of the Holy Ghost" Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Does this verse say Jesus had the indwelling Spirit before he rose from the dead and was glorified? Perhaps, perhaps not.
  7. Yes, John Calvin taught that God himself sends a strong delusion meant to deceive a sinner to believe that he has true faith in Jesus and is saved, but this person will finally fall away in unbelief. Calvin taught the purpose of this deception was "the better to convict them, and leave them without excuse". Nice. http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/calvin/bk3ch02.html Nice huh? God gives some persons just enough grace to believe they are saved, but in the end he allows them to perish. In fact, God deceives these persons "better to convict them, and leave them without excuse". Nice view of God John Calvin had didn't he?? The prOBlem with trying to discuss anything with Calvinists is that they don't really say anything. Whenever they say something, they will immediately contradict themselves. They will say God ordained all things that come to pass, yet God is not the author sin. Yet, if you ask them if Ted Bundy could have been a good man and not a serial killer they will say, NO, God ordained that Ted Bundy would be a serial killer before the foundation of the world. Ted Bundy could not possibly have been a good man, he HAD to kill people, as that is what God ordained he should do. But then they will tell you God is not the author of sin. So, they constantly contradict themselves. They really say NOTHING at all. This is what DaveW meant by "doublespeak". They talk out of both sides of their mouth, you can't get anywhere with any of them.
  8. Well, I tend to believe what the scriptures say. Acts 2:33 seems to say Jesus received the Spirit. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. I am not an expert on grammar, but I believe the phrase "and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost" points to the word "he" meaning Jesus. Did Jesus have the "indwelling" Spirit before he rose from the dead? I am not sure. The scriptures say the Spirit was "upon" him. Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. If Jesus had the indwelling Spirit, then why did the Holy Spirit need to light upon him? Why do the scriptures say God "annointed" Jesus with the Holy Spirit? There might be scripture that says Jesus had the indwelling Spirit, but I am not aware of it. There is however, much scripture that says the Spirit would rest "upon him". Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; Jhn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. As you see, the scriptures repeatedly say the Spirit would be "upon" Jesus, not "in him". So perhaps Acts 2:33 is literal, and Jesus received the indwelling Holy Spirit when he rose from the dead and was glorified. If you have scripture that shows Jesus had the indwelling Spirit, I will be glad to look at it.
  9. No two Calvinists are alike. Spurgeon said that regeneration and salvation were one and the same, others like Sproul say that regeneration is not the same thing as salvation. Nevertheless, almost all Calvinists will insist that a person must be regenerated to have the ability to believe, so that would be the best definition, a change in disposition that allows a person who was once contrary to the gospel to accept and believe it. The prOBlem is, Calvinists insist that regeneration means spiritual "life" which is impossible before faith. Until you believe you are "dead in sins". No person can have spiritual life until AFTER they first believe. Calvinism is not biblical, plain and simple.
  10. You could go to a Reformed site like Monergism dot com and type in "regeneration". They came up with 325 articles on the subject. I am sure they all define regeneration the same exact way. Here is the first on the list; General Information Regeneration is the spiritual change wrought in the heart of man by the Holy Spirit in which his/her inherently sinful nature is changed so that he/she can respond to God in Faith, and live in accordance with His Will (Matt. 19:28; John 3:3,5,7; Titus 3:5). It extends to the whole nature of man, altering his governing disposition, illuminating his mind, freeing his will, and renewing his nature. Hang on to your hat, here comes the "Advanced Information". Regeneration Advanced Information The word Regeneration is only found in Matt. 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means a "new birth." The Greek word so rendered (palingenesia) is used by classical writers with reference to the changes produced by the return of spring. In Matt. 19:28 the word is equivalent to the "restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). In Titus 3:5 it denotes that change of heart elsewhere spoken of as a passing from death to life (1 John 3:14); becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:17); being born again (John 3:5); a renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:2); a resurrection from the dead (Eph. 2:6); a being quickened (2:1, 5). This change is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. It originates not with man but with God (John 1:12, 13; 1 John 2:29; 5:1, 4). As to the nature of the change, it consists in the implanting of a new principle or disposition in the soul; the impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature "dead in trespasses and sins." The necessity of such a change is emphatically affirmed in Scripture (John 3: 3; Rom. 7:18; 8:7-9; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 2:1; 4:21-24). (Easton Illustrated Dictionary) Note that this advanced information says that regeneration is the "impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature dead in trespasses and sins" The prOBlem here is that we are justified by faith, nOBody is spiritually alive until they believe. Unless you believe you will die in your sins. Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Calvinism teaches that you must be imparted spiritual life to have the ability to believe, but Jesus said you must believe or you will die in your sins. Calvinism says the exact opposite of scripture.
  11. You are absolutely correct. They constantly redefine words. The only real weapon against Calvinism is scripture. Romans 6 shows that persons who are not regenerated and servants of sin have the ability to OBey the gospel, and the moment they do they are made free from sin and become servants of righteousness. Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to OBey, his servants ye are to whom ye OBey; whether of sin unto death, or of OBedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Calvinism falsely teaches that unregenerated men are slaves to their sinful nature, and therefore can only choose against Jesus Christ. But this scripture shows that these Romans who "were the servants of sin" have OBeyed from the heart the gospel. Game over. In fact, it is only AFTER believing that these "servants of sin" being THEN made free from sin "became" the servants of righteousness. No Calvinist will even attempt to answer this scripture because they KNOW it refutes their false doctrine. You have to fight with the sword, which is the word of God.
  12. Actually, Calvinists make a distinction between regeneration and salvation and therefore would claim you misrepresent them. Getting them to explain the difference between being regenerated and saved is another matter altogether, good luck with that. Some Calvinists believe that the moment a person is regenerated they will automatically believe, and so are saved that very moment. Still they will insist regeneration had to occur first. Other Calvinists like R.C. Sproul say a person can be regenerated for years, even decades before they actually believe on Jesus. This would be a person who is "spiritually alive" according to these particular Calvinists, and yet is "dead in sins" at the same moment! Logically impossible, but that is what they believe.
  13. Winman

    Howdy

    Thank you very much. I don't expect OB to be perfect, and if it was, you wouldn't want me here, I'll mess it up!
  14. Yes, Calvinism insists that regeneration precedes faith. Calvinism believes unregenerated man is UNABLE to believe. They teach that a man must be made spiritually alive before he can believe, repent, or even will to come to Jesus. The prOBlem with this view is that until you believe you are DEAD IN SIN. No one can be spiritually alive until AFTER they believe. All scripture supports that a person must first believe before they are made spiritually alive. Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31 says you must believe to have life, as do many other famous verses like John 3:16. Calvinism will use many proof texts to support their view that regeneration precedes faith. One famous such verse is John 3:3; Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Calvinists will say unless you are regenerated (born again) you cannot "see" the kingdom of God. They interpret the word "see" to mean "understand". Calvinists will teach that an unregenerated man cannot possibly understand the gospel. They also use 1 Cor 2:14 as a proof text for this view. But John 3:3 does not say one word about believing or faith. Another favorite passage Calvinists love to quote is Eph 2:1-5; Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disOBedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) Calvinists will say, "See, you had to be regenerated, you had to be quickened, because you were dead in sin before you could believe" But does this passage mention faith? NOPE. Calvinists simply read that into scripture when it is not there. They will also misinterpret verses 8 and 9 to say that faith is a gift from God, and that unless God regenerates you , you could not possibly believe. There are a few other verses Calvinism misinterprets to support their false view that regeneration precedes faith, but they are easily refuted. The word regenerated literally means to be made "alive" "again" as Jesus said in Luke chapter 15 twice. Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. When the prodigal son repented, twice Jesus said he was alive AGAIN. This is why I personally do not believe the doctrine of Original Sin that teaches we are born dead in sin. If we are all born dead in sin, then it would not be possible to say we are alive AGAIN, but that is exactly what Jesus said twice. And that is the literal meaning of "regeneration" to be made alive AGAIN.
  15. Sorry, I am not familiar with your argument yet. Different Calvinists say different things. The WCF says men "most freely" accept Christ and that God does not violate man's free will. I. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, He is pleased, in His appointed time, effectually to call, by His Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God, taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and, by His almighty power, determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ: yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by His grace. On the opposite end, R.C. Sproul has written of "the holy rape of the soul" in the past. That absolutely sounds like FORCE to me. So, it is hard to nail Calvinists down, they say many contradictory things. One Calvinist might believe quite different from another, and you will always be accused of misrepresenting Calvinism, even if you quote their creeds or teachers verbatim.
  16. You have not heard that Jesus received the promise of the Holy Spirit? Read Acts chapter 2; Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Peter is speaking of Jesus here. Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Jesus also said he had to go away before the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) would come to believers. Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. I do not believe Jesus could send the Holy Spirit to believers until their sins had been atoned for. They had to be washed clean in his blood, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in an unclean vessel. All I know is that Jesus said he would send the Spirit "from the Father" and Peter said that Jesus received the promise of the Holy Ghost "of the Father" and shed it forth on the day of Pentacost.
  17. Yes, Calvinism teaches that the sinner is free to choose, but he will always chose according to his nature, and thus will always choose against God. Calvinism also teaches that God regenerates the sinner so that he "most freely" chooses Jesus. The prOBlem is that scripture easily refutes that a sinner is unable to trust Jesus. Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to OBey, his servants ye are to whom ye OBey; whether of sin unto death, or of OBedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. In Romans 6:16 Paul shows that men have the ability to "yield" themselves "whether" (option) of sin unto death "or" (option) of OBedience to righteousness, both sin and righteousness being personified here. This utterly refutes Total Inability. This is further proven in verses 17 and 18. In verse 17 Paul says these Romans "were" the servants of sin, nevertheless they OBedyed the form of doctrine delivered them (the gospel). Verse 18 says "Being THEN" made free from sin, ye "became" the servants of righteousness. Again, this scripture utterly refutes the T of TULIP. This scripture directly says men who were slaves of sin OBeyed the gospel, and that AFTER OBeying the gospel they were THEN made free from sin and became servants of righteousness. Total Inability is absolutely false doctrine easily refuted directly by scripture.
  18. Yes, I believe that after Jesus sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat in heaven, and after he received the promise of the Spirit, that he descended again into the heart of the earth and gave those believers the Holy Spirit, and then led them to heaven. That is what is meant by "he gave gifts to men" in Ephesians 4:8; Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) Until Jesus ascended to heaven after he was raised from the dead, believers were shown to be in the heart of the earth such as the prophet Samuel when he died. 1 Sam 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. Samuel was not in heaven when he died, he was down in the heart of the earth. Enoch and Elija? That is a different story for which I have no definite answer.
  19. Thanks for the welcome, pleased to meet you as well. Oh, I agree that Calvinism teaches only the elect will "truly" believe, but John Calvin taught what is called "Evanescent Grace" "Experience shows that the reprOBate are sometimes affected in a way so similar to the elect that even in their own judgment there is no difference between them. Hence, it is not strange, that by the Apostle a taste of heavenly gifts, and by Christ himself a temporary faith is ascribed to them. Not that they truly perceive the power of spiritual grace and the sure light of faith; but the Lord, the better to convict them, and leave them without excuse, instills into their minds such a sense of goodness as can be felt without the Spirit of adoption .... there is a great resemblance and affinity between the elect of God and those who are impressed for a time with a fading faith .... Still it is correctly said, that the reprOBate believe God to be propitious to them, inasmuch as they accept the gift of reconciliation, though confusedly and without due discernment; not that they are partakers of the same faith or regeneration with the children of God; but because, under a covering of hypocrisy they seem to have a principle of faith in common with them. Nor do I even deny that God illumines their mind to this extent .... there is nothing inconsistent in this with the fact of his enlightening some with a present sense of grace, which afterwards proves evanescent” (3.2.11, Institutes). According to Calvin, God himself deceives some persons with a false faith that seems so real that they are convinced they are elect, only to fall away and be lost. So, the only assurance any Calvinist can have is to work and keep working to convince themselves they truly believe. It is a fact that Calvinists more than any other group suffer from lack of assurance as has been written of by John Piper, R.C. Sproul, and many other Reformed teachers. "It may surprise you to know that just about every contact I have had with people who are doubting their salvation are Calvinistic in their theology. In other words, they believe in unconditional election. These are the ones who believe in perseverance of the saints. These are the ones that believe that we cannot lose our salvation! Yet these are the ones who are doubting their faith the most. Their issue has to do with their election. Are they truly among the elect? If they are, they believe their faith will persevere until the end. But if they are not, there is no hope. But how are they to know for sure whether they are elect? Maybe their faith is a stated faith? Maybe it is false. The gentleman I talked to today was so riddled with doubt, he was having thoughts of suicide. “How do I know my faith is an elect faith?” He wanted assurance so badly, but felt that his Calvinistic theology prevented him from ever having such assurance." C. Michael Patton, Doubting Calvinists That last article was written by a well known Calvinist himself. He says that nearly every single person who has contacted him doubting their salvation is Calvinistic in their theology. If Limited Atonement is true, then no man can know for a certainty that Jesus died for him personally. Your faith could be completely vain, just as Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15. Unless Jesus died for all men, you have no definite promise to depend upon for salvation. And you are correct, Calvinists avoid telling anyone that Jesus died for their sins personally, because they cannot honestly say that if Limited Atonement is true. It MIGHT be true, but it could also be completely false. Calvinists try to compensate by saying Jesus died "for sinners", but this is only a half-truth if Limited Atonement is true. If Limited Atonement is true, the only honest thing you could tell any person is that Jesus died for "some sinners", but you have no way of knowing who those sinners are. How can anyone have faith in a complete uncertainty? YOU CAN'T.
  20. Winman

    Howdy

    Wow, lots of folks from that area, I remember hearing of Chipley, but I've never been there that I can recall. I am not absolutely certain if it was Central Baptist, as I don't believe they had a large building in '64-'65 when I was saved (can't remember exact date). The church I was saved in was fairly large. We only lived in Panama City one year, and I was very young, so my memories are not too good. But I do remember receiving Jesus, I will NEVER forget that. Thanks again to all for the warm welcome.
  21. Winman

    Howdy

    Wow, it's a small world isn't it? I only lived in Panama City for one year, I attended Millville Elementary school. I made friends with a neighbor boy, his parents were missionaries that were home from Afghanistan. I remember them telling me how they had to hide from the Russians. They invited my older brother and I to go to church with them and that is when I heard the sermon on hell. I was terrified and afraid to leave that church until I got my salvation settled. At the invitation I almost ran down to the front. They showed me the Romans Road if I remember correctly and asked me if I believed what the Bible said. I always believed the Bible. They showed me Romans 10:13 and asked me if I would like to pray and ask Jesus to save me. I said yes, and I meant it with all my heart. I did pray and ask Jesus to save me. They say you can't trust an experience, but I could feel when the Holy Spirit came into me, and he has never left. That was the greatest day of my life. We moved soon after that to Jacksonville, Fla. were I lived for many years. I will always love Panama City, because that is where I trusted Jesus Christ as my Saviour.
  22. Winman

    Howdy

    Thank you all for the kind welcome!
  23. That might be possible, but 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then our faith is vain and we are yet in our sins. Why? Because Jesus had to enter the Holy of Holies in heaven with his own blood and sprinkle it on the mercy seat for our sins to be forgiven. Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having OBtained eternal redemption for us. Until Jesus sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat in heaven, we were not redeemed. Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. So, it is not enough that Jesus died for us, he also HAD to rise from the dead for us to be saved.
  24. This verse can only be true if Jesus died for all men. If Jesus did not die for all men as Limited Atonement teaches, then your faith could be in vain, or perhaps not, there is no way to know until you die. Paul shows this concept in 1 Corinthians 15; 1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. It is not our faith that saves us, it is Jesus that saved us when he died for our sins and rose from the dead. Paul explains here that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then our faith is vain and we are still in our sins. Why? Because Jesus had to sprinkle his blood on the mercy seat in heaven for our sins to be atoned for. Therefore, if Jesus did not rise from the dead, our faith is vain, we are yet in our sins. What you believe does not determine reality. Likewise, if Jesus did not die for you personally, your faith is vain and you will perish in your sins. Your faith will not save you, your faith must be founded on a reality, that Jesus died for you personally. If Limited Atonement is true, and Jesus only died for some men, then only those persons he died for can be saved. If Limited Atonement is true, you MIGHT be saved, but the overwhelming prOBability is that you are not, as only FEW enter life. This is why Limited Atonement is another gospel, Paul taught all men that Jesus died for "our" sins.(1 Cor 15:1-3).This is not what 5 point Calvinists believe. They don't know they are elect, there is no list where you can look up your name.to see if you are one of the fortunate elect.
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