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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from Propovednik in Disney Is A False Religion And Mickey Is Rat Satan   
    You all do know we should not have anything to do with sin.
     
    Walmart sells liquor. We shop there. Our states uphold 'gay rights'. We live there. Our taxes go for killing the unborn. We pay them.
    So what? We as adults tell our children not to believe lies, yet Santa brings them gifts? 
     
    We are most miserable at being godly, yet we 'judge' a corporation for being that which we have created.
     
    Move on with life guys, we are only here for a short time, let us use it well and not waste time on 'internet gossip' about an organization that just does not know God.
     
    Lets move on to what matters, knowing God and his word enough to bring joy to the world by preaching and teaching stuff about Him to them. Lets quit talking about Molech, and talk about the true God and what he has in store for us in eternity.
     
    We need encouragement, not depression.
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from *Light* in Discernment   
    The "not so 'lead by the Spirit'..." part is in quotes, like lead by the Charasmatic type of Spirit - know what I mean?
    Some people think you can 'just know' what is right without any source, without any source from sciptural support. 
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from BabeinChrist in Proof of the shrinking American brain.   
    That's quite concerning coming from someone with a name like "Saved...".
    My wife and I have had 5 pregnancies and were able to keep 4...and after the second we home-birthed the rest.
    A. Messing up humanity by allowing people to stop the continuing development of a human baby is barbarous, and those that were, or may be in the future, choosing to have back-alley abortions, and bring harm to themselves, deserve the just judgement of their actions, BY THEIR OWN CHOICE.
    B. "Experience does not a proper decision make" - Sister? Properly it is "what does God's word say" - that is where we get the answer to decisions about abortion. 
    Your view does not reflect a follower's 'understanding' view at all, but of a person without knowledge of the truth, and one who may be afraid of the truth.
    There, I didn't use one mean name.
    Oh yeah, and this quote from you - "Making anything illegal is not an answer."
    Such a thing should never be said or thought by a follower of the God who gave us his Law.
    "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners..."
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from Disciple.Luke in Should Women Wear Pants?   
    The Bible does not say a woman can't wear pants.
    I have seen women wear dresses and skirts more immodestly than pants much more often.
    Many times I think the 'modesty' question has more direction toward the mind of the man and less toward the dress code of the woman.
    If us guys could contain our minds better, less questions about pants would be involved. Modesty is the point.
    "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works."
    There it is.
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from wretched in The word wine does not automatically mean alcoholic   
    Thick headed? Maybe. I am just tired of 'men of God' saying the scriptures mean grape juice when the drink was indeed alcoholic. Otherwise why the warning in 1 Timothy 3:3 and 3:8, of which nobody has touched on?
    A book about the supposed English translations from various languages of men stating different views on 'wine' makes no difference to me. There are just as many 'testimonies' to the contrary from other men. Of course the Temperance society was going to explain why there were two different interpretations, one to show Jesus drank juice, and one that states alcohol is evil.
    Just because something has alcohol in it that doesn't mean someone gets inebriated and loses control. Take Nyquil for an example. Used as a medication by probably most Christians, without getting the least bit inebriated in a 'deceivable and sinful way'.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Jim_Alaska in Paul, Chosen of the Lord Jesus as the 12th Apostle.   
    This thread is officially locked, it has run its course. I am not deleting it because there were noteworthy points made by all participants that may be of benefit to future observers.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to No Nicolaitans in Paul, Chosen of the Lord Jesus as the 12th Apostle.   
    I used to hold the "Paul was the twelfth apostle" view...
    While Matthias may not have been mentioned by name after his election, nor were MOST of the other twelve. However, if you do a search of the word "apostles" in the book of Acts (before Saul was called), you'll see that many acts, signs, and wonders were done through "the apostles"; of whom, Matthias was included and numbered.
    We've been through all of this before, and no minds have been changed that I'm aware of.
    Did the Lord tell Peter to wait? Yes...but what was he to wait for? 
    Read Acts 1, and you'll see they were to wait for the Holy Ghost. Why? To give them power to be witnesses. That's what they were to wait for...and they were obedient.
    A careful study of scripture...especially Paul's writings...will reveal that there were other apostles besides the 12. A careful reading of 1 Corinthians 15 will reveal this...also, by paying close attention to the times that Paul refers to "we" (apostles), if one looks to see who he's referring to, one will see that others beside the twelve are apostles. That doesn't diminish the 12's importance or standing...it just shows that there were other apostles besides those twelve. Please consider the following...
    1 Corinthians 15
    5  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
     6  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
     7  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
     8  And last of all he was seen of me also,
    Verse 5: he was seen of the twelve (this had to have included Matthias) . It certainly didn't include Judas Iscariot, and Paul wasn't yet chosen...yet...Paul says there were 12...
    Verse 7: He was seen of "all the apostles" (why didn't he say "the twelve" again?). This happened before Paul saw the Lord and was chosen. 
    The Lord's brother James is most definitely called an apostle, but he wasn't one of the 12...
    (Galatians 1:19) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
    ...yet...
    ...the Bible is clear that NONE of his brethren believed in him when the apostles were chosen...
    (John 6) 67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
     68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
     69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
     70  Jesus answered them,Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    Peter said, "we believe." ...but one of them didn't. In the next chapter, we see this...
    John 7
     1  After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
     2  Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.
     3  His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
     4  For there is no man thatdoeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
     5  For neither did his brethren believe in him.
    The Lord's brother, James, became an apostle. In fact, he became the leader of the church in Jerusalem...yet...he wasn't one of the twelve.
    Make of it what you will. I'll still love you whether you agree or not. :)
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Brother Stafford in The word wine does not automatically mean alcoholic   
    Are you being thick on purpose?  We are saying that the Bible refers to two kinds of wine:  one that is alcoholic and one that is not alcoholic.  There are numerous verses that paint wine in a negative light and numerous verses that paint wine in a good light.  Proverbs 23:31 forbids us from drinking wine when it is red, yet John 2:1-11 shows Jesus providing wine for an entire wedding party.  Proverbs 20:1 says that wine is a mocker, yet 1 Tim 5:23 says to take some wine for medicinal purposes.  These (and many other verses) are either  examples of contradictions within God's word or they mean that there are two kinds of wine; one that is acceptable to drink and the other that is not.  I, myself, do not believe that contradictions of God's words exist, so logic tells me that there must be two kinds of wine.
    There is reliable historical information about how alcoholic beverages were made as well as how juices were made and preserved.  Much of it is included in the book to which I gave reference.  
     
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Brother Stafford in The word wine does not automatically mean alcoholic   
    Ok... so, I guess, you're not doing it on purpose.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to fastjav390 in Paul, Chosen of the Lord Jesus as the 12th Apostle.   
    There are more than 12 apostles in scripture. So it's not a private interpretation. 
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from fastjav390 in Paul, Chosen of the Lord Jesus as the 12th Apostle.   
    Are you the originator of this thoughtline?
    I have NEVER heard this before your last thread, and I find it FANTASTIC that very few have called you on this.
    I believe the scriptures teach, as they say. Matthias was chosen. Paul was the Gentile preacher and Peter the Jew's preacher. Paul even is recorded in Galatians 2 as such, separated from Peter's ministry.
    7  But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
    8  (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
    9  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to weary warrior in Question About OB Doctrine   
    I too can not speak to the official position of OB regarding the Baptist Bride position or teaching, but I personally reject it out of hand as well.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to No Nicolaitans in Question About OB Doctrine   
    I can't answer your question. As for myself, I reject the Baptist Bride position. There may be some here who hold to that position...I know there were members here (in the past) who held that position.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to weary warrior in The word wine does not automatically mean alcoholic   
    So forgive me in advance for being my normal logical, thoughtfully agitating self ...
    In an age with no refrigeration, and in a time with no pasteurization or canning, and in an era that speaks a lot about wine very importantly, exactly how long after the annual grape harvest do you think they still had access to fresh, unfermented grape juice? Three days? A week? One week a year that a person who loved God could be allowed to drink a drink that is mentioned in scripture more than drinking water or milk , in a desert land, often with little sanitary drinking water, and associated with every aspect of the middle eastern lifestyle and culture?
    Are there warnings about abuse? Of course. Absolutely. Is there a Biblical grounds for the oft used Independent Baptist definition of all "wine" references being fresh grape juice? Uh-uh. Not a chance. I agree with all postings above on that.
    Complete forbiddance? No
    Do I drink? No
    Am I looking for an excuse to drink? Nope
    It's amazing how not being afraid of what the Bible may really be saying on any given subject frees a man up to actually study and understand it fully.
     
     
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to No Nicolaitans in Titus   
    1 Corinthians 15:5-8
    5  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
     6  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
     7  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
     8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
    Paul differentiated himself and named himself as separate from "the twelve". Judas Iscariot didn't see the risen Christ, but he was seen by "the twelve" and seen lastly by Paul.
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from Invicta in Proof of the shrinking American brain.   
    That's quite concerning coming from someone with a name like "Saved...".
    My wife and I have had 5 pregnancies and were able to keep 4...and after the second we home-birthed the rest.
    A. Messing up humanity by allowing people to stop the continuing development of a human baby is barbarous, and those that were, or may be in the future, choosing to have back-alley abortions, and bring harm to themselves, deserve the just judgement of their actions, BY THEIR OWN CHOICE.
    B. "Experience does not a proper decision make" - Sister? Properly it is "what does God's word say" - that is where we get the answer to decisions about abortion. 
    Your view does not reflect a follower's 'understanding' view at all, but of a person without knowledge of the truth, and one who may be afraid of the truth.
    There, I didn't use one mean name.
    Oh yeah, and this quote from you - "Making anything illegal is not an answer."
    Such a thing should never be said or thought by a follower of the God who gave us his Law.
    "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners..."
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Ukulelemike in The way I got there   
    I would say that, of himself, no man CAN seek after Christ. However, since in John 1, we see that Christ 'lighteneth' every man that comes into the world, and jesus, having been 'lifted up', draws ALL men unto Himself.    I believe there is a general call to ALL men, light given to all, which can either encourage them to seek further light, or to reject and remain willingly in darkness. This seeking is not of man's heart, but of God's light. I can give a couple examples of this:
    My wife was born into an atheistic home, raised by a mother who had been Catholic, but in rejecting them, she rejeected God and all Christianity. So she wasn't raised with any prediliction toward religion at all. But as she grew, she believed there was a 'god' of some sort, but didn't know anything about Him, so she began a quest for the truth of what was right, and it took her through eastern religions and the New Age-but while she liked what she saw to a point, she was encouraged that it wasn't true, so she continued, until she ended up working in a place with some Christians who began to witness to her-but even then she wasn't sure, and it took her some time, but finally she saw it was true and was saved. Then she began to search for a right church-she began in Pentecostal, which she liked due to a lot of fellowship and a serious concentration on prayer, but she disagreed with tongues, having seen the same in New age religions, and thought the teaching was weak. Finally she ended up in my church and found what she had read on her own and learned matched what I taught, so she became and IFB, having never heard of them. 
    Another example is a man I heard about, (read a letter from him), was born in a very small, remote village in the mountains of Tibet, part of a branch of Buddhism, and he was raised to be the high priest of his village. It was all he knew and was bred to be, but somehow he found he rejected it and wanted to know truth-again, believing there WAS a god, but not knowing what to think since there as no other infulence in his life. Leaving his village, he came across hindus, other Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics, and rejected them all, not being ewhat he believed to be the truth, Finally he ended up in America and visited and IFB church, where he believed truth was taught, got saved, and became a missionary to his own people.
    So two examples of people who, on the surface, seemed to be following on their own-but since the Bible says otherwise, all I can believe is that Christ gave them light, and they responded to that light, seeking the Source, and weren't willing to rest until they found Him, and they did.   So this is how I see this.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Donald in The way I got there   
    Over the last 30 years or so, my study of God’s Word, has brought me to a set of Doctrinal convictions(a few hundred).  But the way each of us get there, is important: We need to be careful not to ever come to a Doctrinal conviction, based upon someone’s opinion; But only by our personal study of God’s Word and the leadership of the Holy Spirit.  God should give us our convictions, not man.
    I have said all of this, because I was recently reminded of one of these Doctrinal convictions, that I have taken; And wanted to share how I got there.
    Over the years the Lord has wonderfully blessed my memorization of His Word.  My monthly recital of these verses has been GREAT.  Each month as I re-memorize each one of my memory verses, I can’t help but study them in greater and greater detail, over and over again.
    Then, about 25 years ago, as I was re-studying Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," I realized that it contradicted one of my other memory verses.  And as we all know, if we ever find a mistake in the Bible, “we are the ones making the mistake”; And what we have to do, is study even harder, until we find “our mistake”. So I set out on a deeper and deeper study of Titus 2:11 and Romans 10:14, to find out which one I was misinterpreting.
    After several months of prayer and study, the Lord gave me the answer.  Titus 2:11 plainly says that EVERYONE will be given an opportunity to get saved.  But although Romans 10:14 says that “only those who a preacher was sent to” would have this opportunity; “This is not what God says”.
    Within the context, of Romans 10:14, in verse 18, “the LORD” responds to the three questions in v.14 by saying...“But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.”  Therefore, the Lord says that they do not need a preacher, in order to hear.  This verse refers us back to Psalms 98:3 "He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God."(Natural revelation)
    Therefore, the questions in v.14, are questions that people will be asking the Lord, as excuses for not being saved, before being dropped into the lake of fire.
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    This Doctrinal conviction, that I have come to, is challenged all the time, when I hear missionaries quote Romans 10:14, as the reason why we need to send them to their field; "Because if they don’t go, people will go to hell."  Also I hear pastors using it, to get their people to support missions in a greater way.  Don’t misunderstand me.  I am not saying that missions are wrong.  But God is saying, that if someone is going to get saved, He will see to it that they get saved, regardless of what we do or don’t do.
    Let me explain what I am talking about; with a little story about two natives.  
    In the middle of South America or Africa.  A thousand miles from any town, is a small village of people.  Well one day two men leave the village to go hunting(in different directions).  That afternoon, a big thunderstorm comes up and both men have similar experiences.  They are walking along hunting and out of nowhere, a lighting bolt hits a tree in front of them and spits it open and catches it on fire.  After getting back up from the ground, one of these men looks around and says in his heart, there must be a God in heaven somewhere, that created this wonderful world I am living in.  And from that moment on, he sets out to find out more about the creator.(Kind of like Exodus 3:3)  But the other man, who had the same exact experience, gets up from the ground and says, boy that was interesting and continues hunting.(30 years later he dies and goes to hell).
    But the first man, uses the light that God gave him and is given more and more light.  While in a Church in Kansas, the Lord calls a family to the mission field to that same part of the world.  The missionary finishes his deputation and goes to the filed and is setting up his tent, after traveling deep into the wilderness.  When here comes that first man(out of the jungle), and is standing face to face with this missionary.  And the man is told about the one true living God and his Son Jesus and that first man gets saved.
    As you can see, this man did not need a preacher to find the LORD, but God used a preacher to tell him about Jesus.  The Bible does not teach us, that people will die and go to hell, if we are not obedient to the Lord.  But it does say that God will use someone else.  God will see to it, that everyone who searches for Him, will find Him.
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Invicta in Antichrist will come from   
    Russia, China?
    We have been in the end times since the tyme of the apostles.
     
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from MountainChristian in The Word vs the word of God   
    They are two different objects.
    One being the source of the other.
    The Word, (the Lord Jesus), is the "word" in physical form - while the "word" is the Word (the Lord Jesus) in verbal form.
    That's why we call the scriptures the word of God, because they are from God, whose name, in human form, is Jesus Christ.
    God's word (the Bible) and God's Word (the Lord Jesus).
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from eswarden in The Word vs the word of God   
    They are two different objects.
    One being the source of the other.
    The Word, (the Lord Jesus), is the "word" in physical form - while the "word" is the Word (the Lord Jesus) in verbal form.
    That's why we call the scriptures the word of God, because they are from God, whose name, in human form, is Jesus Christ.
    God's word (the Bible) and God's Word (the Lord Jesus).
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    Genevanpreacher reacted to Invicta in Concerned over accuracy?   
    Obviously.  
    A summary of those verses to which you have nothing more to say.
    There are two women contrasted, the Bride and the harlot, the false bride.
    There are two cities,New Jerusalem , the Holy Jerusalem. And Babylon,the mystery. Mystery Babylon the Great.
    Startlooking at it that way and you may have something to say.
     
     
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from Brother Stafford in Defense of your country, patriotism or obligations as Christians.   
    Scriptural references for volunteering to be a soldier though? 
    If men wouldn't volunteer, maybe they would have been better used of God?
    Instead of living in extremely decaying and unhealthy lives now that are no longer able to do what the Lord intended for them...they could be healthy and, vigorously working to reach the lost that were supposed to hear the gospel? 
    Maybe? 
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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from Brother Stafford in I am a car!   
    Well Dave, you have to be a Honda.
    As a disciple of the Lord - you must strive to be... Oh, lets just quote the verse- 
     
    "These all continued with one accord"  Acts 1:14.
    So the Honda Accord was the car of choice for the followers of Jesus. 

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    Genevanpreacher got a reaction from swathdiver in Arguing for the Existence of God   
    There were people and are some today, that even though they claim atheism, they disprove that line of thought by making themselves "God".
    "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man..."

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