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  1. not sure what exactly you are getting at?

    Not rocket science. The tools you're being taught to study Greek with are corrupt.
    Tomorrow, if you haven't already purchased it, go into the church bookstore and pick up the college textbook on exegesis, go to nearly the end of the intro, and read that the editor used the NIV on cd, to enlighten the exegesis of the Greek of the TR (which no one actually owns a copy of anyways).
  2. I completely understood Riplinger's point in Hazardous Materials, basically she says your stupid for using Greek and Hebrew because Satan is corrupting the bible through corrupt lexicons, all based on quotes that you can't even trust.

    Walk into your Church bookstore, pick up the college textbook on exegesis, read the intro where the editor thanks Zondervan for the use of the NIV on CD to aid in his study.

    Then get back to me on "corrupt".

  3. Just a consideration. JOB was pretty worn out in this section of his book, (which by the way verse 23 in chapter 19 did get fulfilled!)
    And as usual I like to reread a section to see the balance of what is being said compared to what is really being said.
    And I can sorta see what you are saying. Yet, I can also disagree with my bible notes in my gloss sometimes, too.
    The notes for verse 25 states -

    "Herein JOB declareth plainly that he had a full hope, that both the soul and body should enjoy the presence of God in the last resurrection."

    Which I agree, is a nice clarification on the subject of the resurrection, for 'pre-incarnate days'.
    But, I see a little something else in this. That JOB was stating the superior power of the Lord, that
    he was gonna be 'the last one standing' at the final moments of earths pre-destruction time.
    I think JOB was stating that he was going to 'recover' from this time of 'deep depression' that God was letting him go through.
    Verse 27 is the key, to me, that his reins were 'doing' something.

    Now, I am not as smart as I may 'put-on' sometimes, (which I am sure 'some' OBserve. :clapping:), but I heard an herbalist/preacher
    years ago explain 'reins' being the organ in our body that 'gives' us that conviction 'feeling'.
    [bro. Duane Cleghorn was his name, if any are curious.]
    He explained it quite in a biblical light.
    So in verse 27 JOB was speaking of that convictional emotion and feeling, and I see it as referring to JOB 'coming out' and gaining
    the victory in his 'future', yet not only at the resurrection, but after his final days with these so-called friends of his. For verse 26 says
    "yet in my flesh shall I see God", which goes on into 27 "Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold", speaking of his present body.

    But a note that I like says, for the end of verse 28, "For though his friends thought that he was but persecuted of God
    for his sins, yet he declareth that there was a deeper consideration: to wit, the trial of his faith and patience."

    He was to be an example of 'victory', out of 'failure of life', for others to behold and gain strength from, for their own 'trials'.

    IMO only.

    JOB 19:27
    27 Whom I shall see for myself,
    and mine eyes shall behold,
    and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

    "Though my reins be consumed within me" means:
    Though there is no sinew left on my bones.

    He's saying that though he has turned to dust and bones, somehow he will be in a body, standing face to face with his Redeemer, at the last day, on Earth.

    He gives the timing of this in chapter 14:


    JOB 14:12
    12 So man lieth down, and riseth not:
    till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake,
    nor be raised out of their sleep.

    JOB 14:14
    14 If a man die, shall he live again?
    all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
    till my change come.

    Which was reiterated here:

    1Co 15:51-54
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


    Just a consideration. JOB was pretty worn out in this section of his book, (which by the way verse 23 in chapter 19 did get fulfilled!)
    And as usual I like to reread a section to see the balance of what is being said compared to what is really being said.
    And I can sorta see what you are saying. Yet, I can also disagree with my bible notes in my gloss sometimes, too.
    The notes for verse 25 states -

    "Herein JOB declareth plainly that he had a full hope, that both the soul and body should enjoy the presence of God in the last resurrection."

    Which I agree, is a nice clarification on the subject of the resurrection, for 'pre-incarnate days'.
    But, I see a little something else in this. That JOB was stating the superior power of the Lord, that
    he was gonna be 'the last one standing' at the final moments of earths pre-destruction time.
    I think JOB was stating that he was going to 'recover' from this time of 'deep depression' that God was letting him go through.
    Verse 27 is the key, to me, that his reins were 'doing' something.

    Now, I am not as smart as I may 'put-on' sometimes, (which I am sure 'some' OBserve. :clapping:), but I heard an herbalist/preacher
    years ago explain 'reins' being the organ in our body that 'gives' us that conviction 'feeling'.
    [bro. Duane Cleghorn was his name, if any are curious.]
    He explained it quite in a biblical light.
    So in verse 27 JOB was speaking of that convictional emotion and feeling, and I see it as referring to JOB 'coming out' and gaining
    the victory in his 'future', yet not only at the resurrection, but after his final days with these so-called friends of his. For verse 26 says
    "yet in my flesh shall I see God", which goes on into 27 "Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold", speaking of his present body.

    But a note that I like says, for the end of verse 28, "For though his friends thought that he was but persecuted of God
    for his sins, yet he declareth that there was a deeper consideration: to wit, the trial of his faith and patience."

    He was to be an example of 'victory', out of 'failure of life', for others to behold and gain strength from, for their own 'trials'.

    IMO only.

    JOB 19:27
    27 Whom I shall see for myself,
    and mine eyes shall behold,
    and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

    "Though my reins be consumed within me" means:
    Though there is no sinew left on my bones.

    He's saying that though he has turned to dust and bones, somehow he will be in a body, standing face to face with his Redeemer, at the last day, on Earth.

    He gives the timing of this in chapter 14:


  4. JOB 19: 25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
    26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
    27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

    I think this is the passage you are looking for?

    Yup. Cov. quoted it on the post I was responding to, so I didn't requote it.

    I tried, rather, to give the plain interpretation.
  5. Interesting point, but was JOB an Edomite, & is his discussion with his comforters & questioning of God doctrine?

    You've quoted in reverse order, & added your belief to his. Relevant verses in order, that show JOB's questioning & his increasing understanding, include:

    JOB 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away : so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. 10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

    JOB accepts death as the absolute end - he implies "I can speak freely - even against God. I shall die anyway."

    14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

    Now he considers the possibilty of resurrection.

    JOB 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

    And now he sings of his glorious hope of redemption, & a glorious resurrection.

    Your comment anticipates a doctrine only developed long after Jesus came to perform his redeeming work - "This Edomite knew his Redeemer. He knew of a bodily resurrection. And he knew that Jesus wouldn't return for His own until after the Trib."

    Are you teaching that when OT & NT believers die they are silent & unconscious in the grave until Jesus returns for the resurrection? Are you "post-trib?"
    I tend to the view that as the tablernacle was a copy of the heavenly reality, that all was in place for full redemption from the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8 ) so the OT believers did not need to wait for Calvary, but entered heaven at death. Asaph considers this. He comes to understand retribution for the wicked at death, & glory for the believer:


    Psalm 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand. 24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory. 25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee. 26 My flesh and my heart faileth : but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.


    The question in Hebrews is that if -

    10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    And if:

    11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

    What purpose did those sacrifices & rituals serve? After all they were offered & required by the God-given Law. They were effective because they were:

    the example and shadow of heavenly things


    The question is answered in Heb. 11, after a further encouragement to his readers to persevere, & a further warning not to turn away from Christ:

    22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


    23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.



    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Yes, JOB, a prophet of God, was moved to speak of the post-trib bodily resurrection, by the Holy Ghost.

    JOB said ," though my body rots and disintegrates, somehow it will rise and look upon Jesus, at the end, and be a usable body".

    Remember, there were prophets all along, we just don't have.a written record of their revelation.
  6. I always go to JOB for this answer. JOB 19:25-27 25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. This Edomite knew his Redeemer. He knew of a bodily resurrection. And he knew that Jesus wouldn't return for His own until after the Trib. JOB 14:12-14 12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

  7. I don't know if it is a "niche" teaching or not. The term "IFB" encompasses such an enormous amount of real estate that it would be difficult to say how large or small of a group actually follows this teaching "hard core." The IFB's I grew up around certainly did not believe it, allowing for the Bride of Christ in prospect. However, if I remember correctly, it seems that the Hyles group were the most prominent ones to promote this doctrine (I could be wrong.)
    Having said that, just to clarify, I do believe in the primacy of the Local Church, meaning that it is the God-ordained institution that He has chosen to carry out His work in this age.

    When Dean Miller, who I believe is openly a Brider, spoke at a conference at HAC, the after math damage control was to explain the Brider position, and iterate that it was not Hyles-Anderson College, nor FBCH's position.
    Of course, having been there, the students' positions were as varied as a true cross-section of Baptists would be, so the Briders were there.
    But Hyles was a Southern Baptist, and the church was Northern Baptist Conventional, not American Baptist, so we had a whole slew of built in heresy, Brider not being one of them.
  8. I've made that kind of zucchini before - it's great!

    Last night at the banquet we started off with cole slaw. Then they brought out platters of fried (yes, 2b, fried :biggrin: ) chicken along with bowls of mashed potatoes and green beans. Nummy! Rolls with butter. And for dessert thre was upside down white poke cake topped with strawberries and whipped cream. Everything was delicious. The message afterwards was brought by one of the early grads of the college, Tom Furse. Good time all around.

    You just made me miss Coach's green beans!
  9. Ban NN for not being content and complaining about his wages...

    Matthew 20:13 (KJV)
    13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

    Luke 3:14 (KJV)
    14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

    Ban 2b for skipping me.
  10. They also have a bias toward Northeastern profession teams too, which I don't care for.

    They are HQ'ed in Conn., so, the local boys set the pace...Pats, RedSox, Yanks, Etc.

    If you live in fly over country, you have no friend in National Sports Media.
  11. Ban Prophet for wishing me to change vocations when I cannot dig, but I won't beg or take charity either.

    Luke 16:3 (KJV)
    3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

    Ban 2B for using slang, you dig?
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