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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Covenanter in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    It was a dark time in my life one of those times where everything you try to do never seems to work out.  A time where wrong decisions cost you jOBs and friends.  It seemed as if this dark time had been going on for almost eight years, though who was really counting.  It was at this time I was to face what all men face, the price that all men pay, except one difference I was going to learn it was not my time to face it.
     
    I sat upon my bed in the shallowly lit room I had rented along side a home in Haiku Hawaii.  I was thinking, remembering and mentally chewing over my life of thirty three years.  Has it been all worth the living, I thought.    Have I really come to this point where I must choose or could there be any last hope for my miserable existence.  As I thought on this memories of times of my life came into the forefront of my mind.  Beckoning to relive from earliest years, the pain I have been through for such a ling time.
     
    I remember the train station on that partially clouding day in 1961, I couldn't have been more than two years of age.  The ceiling lamps had made their impression, I remember them as green and white inverted umbrella’s hanging from the ceiling, perspectively getting smaller as I looked down along the waiting platform.  I can’t remember if the station was full, I don’t remember if any family had come to see us off.  I seem to remember wearing a small fedora and a little suit coat, my sister in her frilly white dress and my baby brother in a stroller awaiting the train to Los Angeles.
     
    But memories like these are always so dreary and bleak but it will be one memory I will not forget.  Maybe it was because I would not see my dad again for many years, maybe it was because it was the first major geographic change in my life.  But what ever the reason, and whether it is now a fully accurate memory, it has remained with me my entire life.  Very few memories remained as this one, and as of them all they were caused by some traumatic event that had befell me in my life.
     
    As time progressed without concern for any, the roadway of life continues to be one of sunshine and darkness.  Not one of us has had a life that does not have the ups and downs, these things plague all men, of all races, of all times.  My life was no different except I faced each day as a dreamer, imagining being in another place or time but never pushing forward any set goals or achievement.  By the time I graduated high school I had no set plan for life, I had no purpose for which I lived except for personal joy via the normal escapes of alcohol and drugs, a clear product of a 70's teenager.
     
    I lived my dream world, not staying at any one jOB long enough to get bored if I did I still never lasted more than 6 months.  I liked change, I was born into a life of changing scenery where when you got tired of something leave it behind and move on to something else, never caring how it affected others as long as I was happy and high, why care.
     
    A few years living amongst an adult world began to harden me but at the same time sent me on a journey looking for a purpose in life, and seeing that there was nothing in this world worth pursuing I thought some esoteric search from Hindu, Buddhist or one of the many New Age spiritual guru’s of the day.  Maybe they could provide me with some knowledge or wisdom that I sought to help fill the answers of an empty life.  It was during that time I began the longing for a companion, a complement or a person by which I could show my love for.  As this was the essence of what I was gleaning from these teachers that I had so eagerly sought.
     
    I was around 20 when I met her, a beauty that made many of my friends jealous.  She was independent yet bubbly and a joy to be around.  It took some wooing but I was able to garner her love and I in turn fell deeply in love with her.  But when your life is one of self enjoyment finding pleasure in the things this world has to offer, it will strain even the most deepest of relationships.  And as such she left me broken and the result was as if I had been severed by a knife so sharp yet with the pain of one so dull.  The rip in my heart would never heal, the pain I carried for many years and if I dreg it up I can still feel it as if it had just happened.
     
    Again the struggle of my life seemed insurmountable I was not sure what to do.  Should I stay and see her from time to time, this I dreaded more than life itself.  To see her at a store or a home of a mutual friend made living in that town a misery far more painful than the first day she left.  I had to do something and changing locations seemed to be the only answer at the time.  Would it be worse not to see her at all or to occasionally cross paths?  I chose the hardest, the separation, I would never look upon her again.  But where, when, how?  These plagued my decision a process, many a man and woman will face in any and many a decisions in their life but for me I knew not what to do, I was lost.
     
    Then one day an opportunity came, a jOB offer in another state, a beautiful state one I had never been to, Hawaii.  I sold everything I had and took very few things with me.  I boarded that plane and never looked back.  And it would be more than seven years later I would even set foot in that town again.  But life in this new place still did not fair well.  My drug habits and alcohol use soon caused me to once again ruin another relationship, another jOB, another chance.  And there I stood on the street in Maui, paradise as called by many, for me it was far from any Shangra-la.
     
    Instinct for survival pushes a man to do what he must to survive, and so I pushed hard the troubles and cares from my mind and just walked, thinking what I can do?  “I have experiences in restaurant work why not go and see if anyone is hiring a dishwasher at least I could get a free meal and some quick cash” I thought.  And the first restaurant I hit hired me on the spot.  Not two hours later they realized they had someone with experience on their hands and another jOB was offered me at one of their other restaurants in a hotel not one mile away.  Life seemed to look good again fresh scenery a chance to show what I know.  But still I wanted change I seemed drawn to it, as if change was all that mattered.
     
    I ended up sue-chef in one of their sports bars a year later and within 6 months I had, out of a fit of anger punched out the manager for gossiping about me.  Imagine, I had it made I could go on to higher places and move up but yet my nature would always cause me to move along, like the wind making a circuit not knowing where it comes or where it goes, just that it moves.  One move after another, my life has been like a chess game, but not only did I not know the rules of this game I was unprepared to play the game of life and I was losing.  Every move I took it always seemed to be the wrong one.
     
    There I sat in that shallowly lit room these memories were about me and tired me even to carry them around any more.  What more can one do, what more is there in life, what do I have to prove any more?  Nothing.  So I loaded that National Match Colt model 1911, six in the clip and one in the barrel just to make it easy and I began to talk myself into this final move, this final change of scenery, to take the step that would lead me to peace.  All I had to do was pick it up and put it in my mouth and BAM!!! It would all be over.  This life that had been what seemed one bad change after another, a life that was full of hurt, distrust and anger would finally end and I could have some peace.  As I reached down to pick up that polished metal pistol, the answer of my peace lay in its bowels and all I had to do was release it and be free.
     
    Finally I had the courage up and I reached down picked up the gun, from that moment I was set to pull that trigger.  As I brought up the gun to place it in my mouth as clear as any of my conscience voice has ever been or was I hearing something external, but I heard it, a voice and it said, “pick up the Bible”.  I stopped and for what seemed like a few minutes I asked, “where did that come from?”  I was confused, I was startled and I was halted in my purpose, there was no forward and no backward motion, I just sat there with the gun in my hand, raised between the floor and my mouth simply wondering.  It was as I were suspended between time and eternity, floating in thought, a dream world.  Then as quickly as that had happened I said to myself, “if there be something in the Bible maybe this is wrong”.
     
    I put the gun down and began to frantically look for my Bible.  But to my great amazement it was not there.  I could find a dozen books on new age, some on meditation but I couldn’t find the Bible.  After a few hours of searching I finally gave up my search and sat thinking, “where could I get a Bible?”
     
    Then an answer came, that youth missions place in Paia, they will have a Bible.  I looked up and it was nearing two in the morning so I hit the sack thinking to get up and go there first thing in the morning.  I had to find out what was in that Bible, I had to know of all things why that I heard “pick up the Bible”.  I went to bed so I could get up early to head into Paia.
     
    I awoke at 6am, time seemed to pass quickly as I got dressed and walked two miles to the highway where I waited.  It was a cool Maui morning as I waited and it wasn't long  before a blue Chevy station wagon slowed down and pulled up in front of me.  I opened the door and the driver asked where I was headed.  I told him I was heading into Paia and he agreed to give me a ride. Not far down the road he asked my name and introduced himself as Ron Peers.  I shook his hand and returned to staring out the window my mind just going over last nights events.
     
    Suddenly Ron broke the silence and asked if he could ask me a question.  Being polite and said, “sure.”  He said, “Do you know Jesus?”
     
    I was sat there shocked in unbelief and at that moment I was not sure how to answer, I surely wasn’t going to tell a complete stranger that I that the night before I had a gun in my hand ready to take my life.  So I responded with the truth.  I said, “That is funny, I was just heading into Paia to that youth Missions place to see if they could give me a Bible.”
     
    Ron answered and told me that they would not be there on Sunday’s because they go to different churches and he said some of them go to his church.  Then he invited me to his church as he was heading there to set up because he was part of the worship team.  He even said they would give me a Bible.  So I agreed.  As we neared Paia Ron turned onto an old road leading up through the pineapple fields to the Old Maui High School gym where they held their Sunday Services.
     
    After we arrived I went in and met a few other people and as I waited more and more people came in.  As they arrived each introduced themselves to me and were very nice despite the fact I was high and prOBably not smelling to good.  They showed the Love of Christ that was for sure.  Soon all the chairs were set up and the band finished their sound check and were praying in a huddle.  People continued to file in and take up the seats and I sat over on one side and after the singing the preacher got up and taught something out of Matthew.  I don’t remember the message but the conclusion was a thought catcher. He said, “If you were to die today where would you go Heaven or Hell?”  Well you could imagine what was going on in my mind.  I sat there thinking wow last night I had a gun in my hand ready to die and I never thought about where I would go.
     
    Then he spoke about Jesus and how he bore the penalty of my sin upon the cross and suffered God’s wrath there in my place.  And then that he also died the death that was my death and was buried and went into hell where I was supposed to go because I was a sinner.  The good news was he rose again on the third day to give me everlasting life if I would just believe on the work he did for me on the cross.  He then asked who would like to receive Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour and my hand shot up as if it had a mind of its own.
     
    There in that old high school gym on March 14th 1993, I believed on the cross of Jesus Christ.  That day started for me a new life, a life that would prove to be just as a difficult and full of troubles and blessings but one thing was different, I had Jesus there to walk with me and to guide me and to teach me his word.  That wonderfully beautiful sunny morning will forever stick in my memory to contrasted the darkness I had, and it revealed the truth of God’s love for me and ultimately for you as well.
     
    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.     Eph 2:10
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from beameup in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    a Jew under the gospel of the kingdom (which is not active today but will be during the tribulation) would have to be repent and be baptised.
     
    But a Jew under the gospel of the Grace of God, taught by Paul, needs only to believe through faith on the finished work of the Cross, the same as anyone in this church age.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Invicta in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    No I don't think they invented dispensationalism they exploited it.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Steve Schwenke in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    No I don't think they invented dispensationalism they exploited it.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Mark And Avoid Or Spit Out The Bones?   
    Jesus did say that divorce was ok if sexual immorality took place.  Mt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
     
    What of a man who was married before he was saved, his wife runs off with another man, he remains faithful to her hoping for her to come back, she gets a deadly disease while off with others, and the man decides to divorce her?
     
    Could he not after he got saved remarry and it not be considered he is married to two wives?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    There are many terms one could use for example: Economies, Ages, Periods. Quantums etc etc etc but dispensations fits best.
     
    The use of dispensation in Ephesians 1:10 fits a time period and Ephesians 3:2 fits a charge or duty of information dispensed to others.
     
    I understand and it is considered that the Garden of Eden was a perfect state for man but really it was not.
     
     The first day after the six days of the work of God and the Seventh day of rest, though God says everything is good, he does not say it is perfect.  The flood of Gen1:2 was because of judgement on Satan and his angels, though God made the earth habitable for his next greatest creation Man, it was not perfect because the effects of Satan's sin were still upon the earth and the heavens (the atmosphere and the Universe ((not God's abode)).  That is why Satan disguised as a serpent was able to deceive Eve and cause her to fall into transgression.  Perfection (holiness) would have kept sin out but because it was not perfect sin was able to come. 
     
    Only after the Revelation 21 new heavens and new earth will it be perfect again.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in The Bible Only?   
    Without going into all your post I can say it all with this one example.
     
    It will happen in the future as listed in the book of Revelation. 
     
    having said that you would clearly benefit from studying the NT writings of Paul in deeper study and application.  Than misunderstanding the Book of Revelation. I think I mentioned over in How Do You Rightly Divide the Word of Truth thread there are ways of dividing it for study but it is not a book for a novice or someone who does not clearly understand how to rightly divide it will almost always lead to errors in understanding and application.
     
    The term tribulation/tribulations used by Paul is not to be confused with the Great Tribulation known as JacOB's trouble.  For that which Paul speaks is personal or interpersonal tribulation which that spoken by Christ in the gospel books and Revelation is General tribulation of Israel and the world as a whole.
     
    While Second Thess has more that is connected to the book of Revelation, you would do wise to study out the Term Elect and to whom it applies and at which time it applies differently to Israel and the Body of Christ and not confuse the two together.
     
    A man who just died recently down in Tennessee I can't think of his name off hand but he has a big following but all based on the misunderstanding of the Book of Revelation.  I was banned because I took his teaching on their site and simply showed by the scriptures it was in error and that he had failure to rightly divide and his ability to wrongly join scriptures to make false teachings, and his example if a man taught that which was not of the word of God then his teaching was to be rejected.  In short I showed by his own teaching his teaching was to be rejected and the people were to follow God's word rather than him, just as he taught.
     
    I am not sure but it seems from your post you have listened to his radio program or attended some of his Radio studies.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in The Bible Only?   
    An incorrect view of when the gathering takes place allows for the judgement placed on Christ for our sins to be made null and void.  Hence an incorrect view of the gathering would allow for the blood bought saint, whose judgement for their sins were paid for on the cross, to go through part of the wrath of God during JacOB's trouble.  This wrath I am speaking of is not that which follows the GWT Judgement, for no blood bought saint will be judged at the GWT Judgement because the judgement of our sins was upon Christ which he bore in himself upon the cross.
     
     Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
     1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
     1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to OBtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    This is why right division is needed between Israel and the church, and then which church the Israel church or the Body of Christ church (they are different).  then between OT completion of God's scattering of Israel and bringing her back in to be at peace forever (never took place yet even after they came back as prophesied by Jeremiah and others).  Today Israel is set aside but when the body of Christ is gathered together with Christ in the clouds then Israel wont be set aside anymore.  then God will scatter them (that is why they are back in the land since 1948) and then he will come establish the kingdom (rev19) and call for the regathering of Israel into her land (OT prophets all spoke of this) where Israel shall serve God for ever from Jerusalem.    right division is a key to rightly understanding OT and NT prophecy.  the lack of division willblenditalltogether so you can't rightly understand and cause division on men over pre/post/a Millennial stands.
     
    Right division leave you to only one conclusion the right one and the one held by Paul and the early church pre-trib/pre-wrath removal of the body of Christ and God finishing his work with Israel and unbelieving mankind.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    This is why right division is needed between Israel and the church, and then which church the Israel church or the Body of Christ church (they are different).  then between OT completion of God's scattering of Israel and bringing her back in to be at peace forever (never took place yet even after they came back as prophesied by Jeremiah and others).  Today Israel is set aside but when the body of Christ is gathered together with Christ in the clouds then Israel wont be set aside anymore.  then God will scatter them (that is why they are back in the land since 1948) and then he will come establish the kingdom (rev19) and call for the regathering of Israel into her land (OT prophets all spoke of this) where Israel shall serve God for ever from Jerusalem.    right division is a key to rightly understanding OT and NT prophecy.  the lack of division willblenditalltogether so you can't rightly understand and cause division on men over pre/post/a Millennial stands.
     
    Right division leave you to only one conclusion the right one and the one held by Paul and the early church pre-trib/pre-wrath removal of the body of Christ and God finishing his work with Israel and unbelieving mankind.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Steve Schwenke in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    This is why right division is needed between Israel and the church, and then which church the Israel church or the Body of Christ church (they are different).  then between OT completion of God's scattering of Israel and bringing her back in to be at peace forever (never took place yet even after they came back as prophesied by Jeremiah and others).  Today Israel is set aside but when the body of Christ is gathered together with Christ in the clouds then Israel wont be set aside anymore.  then God will scatter them (that is why they are back in the land since 1948) and then he will come establish the kingdom (rev19) and call for the regathering of Israel into her land (OT prophets all spoke of this) where Israel shall serve God for ever from Jerusalem.    right division is a key to rightly understanding OT and NT prophecy.  the lack of division willblenditalltogether so you can't rightly understand and cause division on men over pre/post/a Millennial stands.
     
    Right division leave you to only one conclusion the right one and the one held by Paul and the early church pre-trib/pre-wrath removal of the body of Christ and God finishing his work with Israel and unbelieving mankind.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Genevanpreacher in The Bible Only?   
    Do I read other Christian men's Books sure I do.
     
    One of the men I like to read is Oliver B Green.  I read other too but more time than not I find they are at time correcting the English with the Greek and that bugs me.  the AV/KJV is clear if one studies out the English word you can learn far more than going to the Greek.
     
    For example:  2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.  Every man I hear preach this is either following another or go to the Greek to change it to Hardship.  But the word hardness is very interesting it is used in all its uses out side of this one in referring to a condition of the heart.  Anyone in military or police work know there is one thing you must do when doing your duty is you cannot let your heart get in the way or you lose.  Also if you are the law enforcement whether soldier of police the people who come up against you are hard to your message of the law and your purpose of upholding it.
     
    We must endure that hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.  some people are hard to the message of the gospel and we endure that sometimes we must keep our heart in check and not become hard to those who don't accept the message of the cross.  We must endure hardness of different kinds just like a soldier or police officer would.
     
    Now it may be a hardship to endure but why limit the word to hardship when it has much more for us than that?
     
    Can you see what I am saying.  better to stick to the word of God than those of even some well meaning men of God who could be in error or limiting the meaning of God's word.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to prophet1 in The Bible Only?   
    Having a discussion, between two people that have the indwelling Spirit of God, is potentially profitable.

    Reading someone's thoughts, is not the same.
    There is no interaction.
    There is no resistance.
    Iron sharpens through resistance.

    2Ti 4:3
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    These days of reading every man's teachings ( not interaction) were prophesied of a long time ago.

    Anishinaabe

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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from prophet1 in The Bible Only?   
    Our understanding has a lot to do with our Believing what the word of God say's plain and simple that is for sure.
     
    some people don't read so well but God's word says,  Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
    But also the simple can be led astray very easily,  Ro 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
     
    The best is that a simple man just read and believe the words of God just as the are found in the scriptures.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Covenanter in The Bible Only?   
    Our understanding has a lot to do with our Believing what the word of God say's plain and simple that is for sure.
     
    some people don't read so well but God's word says,  Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
    But also the simple can be led astray very easily,  Ro 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
     
    The best is that a simple man just read and believe the words of God just as the are found in the scriptures.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Secondary Inspiration   
    and you called me the scholar
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to ASongOfDegrees in The Bible Only?   
    The KJV limits the definition. A testament requires the death of the testator (Hebrews 9) while a covenant does not.
     
    The new covenant is dependent upon the new testament but they are NOT the same thing.
     
    You sure can get things muddled up messing with the Greek. 
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in Secondary Inspiration   
    while Paul may have had a copy of the Gospel of Luke there is no indication or proof that he had a copy of all the gospel books or the writings of the others, not even the book of Acts.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in Secondary Inspiration   
    Exactly and the only scriptures we have are English seeing we don't know or read Koine Greek, German Latin, Syriac, or any of the other Bysintine text.  Therefore the word of God is correct ALL scripture is my AV Bible.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in The Bible Only?   
    Paul held a pre-tribulatioal view of the gathering of the saints into the clouds to be with him 1Thess 4, and 2 Thess 2.
     
    Replacement theology (body of Christ replaced Israel) is not new but more are into the preterist view today than ever.
     
    Just hang on to your view when we get to heaven then we will know.
     
    there is to much double fulfillment of Scripture if you compare the OT prophets and the book of Revelation (which is still future).  So we will know when we get there.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in The Bible Only?   
    ensamples of others is what we are to follow, not words and comments, but their chaste and virtuous lifestyle.
     
     Php 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.  we are to follow the example of life of others whom we can mark as having righteous and holy lives. as we see in the context Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
     19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
     20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
     21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
     
    1Cor 4:14 ¶ I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
     15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
     16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
     
    1Cor 11:1 ¶ Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.  But the context of Paul's asking us to be followers of him is found in chapter 10.
     
    The Now in 1Cor 11:2 changes the subject.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in How Do You Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth   
    So far I am reading a lot of comments about interpretation and leading of the Holy Ghost.
     
    I have not seen much about How you are rightly dividing the word of truth.
     
    Please stop jumping on people for their way of right division and express more on how you Rightly divide. 
     
    Some are saying they read and are lead.  Other read and apply.  Other read and interpret.  these are in fact modes of OBservation of the scripture this is the base beginning of study and not real study until you get into seeing how the words are used(without a Greek or Hebrew Dictionary of any kind.  The AV Bible is an interpretation so interpreting it is not needed as you already have it.  an interpretation is from one language into another language.  That is not what is commanded in 2 Tim2:15.
     
    Divide in 2Tim 2:15 in English is to divide which is a verb, an action one is to take and to do it rightly.  any simple English sentence structure will reveal this as such.  Is anyone taking time to break the Sentences/verse down?  this too is needed to come to correct understanding in study.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in How Do You Rightly Divide The Word Of Truth   
    Jeremiah had a second inspiration and even more was added after words see Jer 36
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in Kjvo And Original Languages   
    Paul restated 9 of the ten commandments for the church.  The only one he did not restate and teach was Sabbath OBservance.
     
    However there were many other laws, statues, judgements, precepts, ordinances, commandments, ways, testimonies, and words that God commanded them to follow beyond the 10 commandments.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in Kjvo And Original Languages   
    Candle, I know of plenty not just from CC but baptist as well that have gotten mixed up in the Judaism movement or Yeshua Movement as some call it.  Many of these got mixed up in the "Way of the Master" by Ray Comfort which was taught at some well known Baptist churches and schools as well.  Ray is the Lordship Salvation theology creator, he uses the Law to prove to Gentiles they are sinners.  But the Gentiles were never given the law that was for Israel Mal 4:4 ¶ Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
     
    Once they had gone through that silliness of being saved by admitting they violated God's law (which never applied to them anyway) they now are on their way to OBey the law they were not OBeying before.  This is the effect of trying to convince someone they are a sinner by giving them the law (though the law will reveal sin).
     
    After that many of them then migrate to these Yeshua Movement churches, where they wrongly blend all the teachings of the law of OT and NT to apply to the church even Sabbath, even though Paul never taught anything about sabbath day OBservance.
     
    Once they go down that path it is nearly impossible to get them back on living by faith as they were saved.  Most of these will judge us as being lost and in sin not keeping the sabbath and not winning people with the true gospel of Christ.  It is truly a shame.
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