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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from paid4 in Repentance And How To Properly Share The Gospel   
    the prOBlem in using the law is this.  You show them the law to worship God and him alone or any of the other laws and convince them they have not Kept them.  they agree get saved and then believe they must keep those laws there after and that is not the truth.
     
    Get them Saved, teach them and be an example of how to live by faith in Christ for the word says, Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:  Ye were saved by grace through Faith alone and you must learn to live by grace through faith alone.  You must teach through example how to stand strong in the Grace of God and how to produce fruit of that in their lives and teach them how to commit that standing strong in the Grace to others as well. 2Tim 2:1&2 ¶ Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.   And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
     
    We must learn and teach how to walk as an anointed one i.e. a Christian, When you walk in the spirit you are walking in the anointing 2Cor 1:21&22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;  Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.  when you do you will produce the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:16-25 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.   But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.   Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  Envyings, murders, dunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.   But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.   And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.   If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
     
    If we learn this then we will have the mind of Christ that unites us in a way that is powerful Col 3:12-17 ¶ Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;  Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.   And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.   And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.   Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.   And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
    2Co 13:11 ¶ Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 
    Php 2:1-9 ¶ If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,  Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.   Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.   Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.   Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not rOBbery to be equal with God:  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became OBedient unto death, even the death of the cross.   Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
     
    The prOBlem is many teachers/preachers are not teaching the Word as much as they are teaching their interpretation of it and all the worldliness that goes with it.  Prosperity theology, Replacement theology, Preterest theology even Pre-trib/pre-mellennial theology can usurp Gods word which is to edify the Body of Christ and glorify God.
     
    Theology and those major doctrines are good but far better is teaching them how to live a new life in Christ Jesus as an anointed Son of God called to be adopted, forgiven, sanctified, holy and righteous in this world.  the Law does none of that but the Spirit filled life does.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Sodomy: A Choice Or Natural?   
    Those in Sodom were not intimate about their sex and it usually was a mOB act on innocent people who came into their city.  The LORD said in Gen 18:20 . . . , Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;  Gen 19:4, 5 ¶ But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:  And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.  Lot knew what they were going to do and he also knew it was wrong.
     
    Sodomy is not just a word derived from the name of this city it is a Grievous sin and is only natural to the unsaved person who lives in their sin nature.  Sodomy is a direct reference to the act of sex that is unnatural and in rebellion to God's order.  To make it clear it is the act of a man laying with another man in the way he would lay with a woman and God's word later written for Israel said this, Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 
     
    God does not use crude words as we would but everyone here knows what Sodomy is.  It is not intimate sex between to men or women it is a violation of a part of the body that is not to have this done to it.  It is an abomination to God and an affront to his creation and he called that sin "Grievous".
     
    Stop buttering it up as if it is something God does not see it as.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from beameup in A New Covenant With The House Of Israel, And With The House Of Judah   
    Personally I too believe Paul was the author.  He may have wrote it early or later.  while he was not writing to the church that is the Body of Christ, he was in fact writing it under inspiration to the church in the wilderness, the church of the firstborn which is Israel Jewish believers of the kingdom gospel. 
     
    Hebrews is a hinge book or as others call it a "transition" book from one age to another,in this case church age to JacOB's trouble.  Acts is also a hinge book going from the preparation for the Kingdom to the church age.  Many a man stumbles in these books because they fail to recognize to whom and the what and the hows of these books.  and that is just saying it simply.  Steve is correct, men will break their theological necks when dealing with the book of Hebrews and usually because they want to wrongly join scripture rather than rightly divide it.  
     
    Interestingly enough is that the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace which shows the individual forgiveness of sins by the cross and not just the corporate salvation that is seen in the Kingdom Gospel and the books in which that is taught, are joined together in the book of Hebrews.  This has led some men to Identify this as a modified Kingdom Gospel, and to some degree I agree with this OBservation.
     
    But again Hebrews is a book that will cause many to err by not knowing the scriptures.    
     
    you can find in Matthew Doctrines needed for entering the kingdom age applies to the four gospel books and part of the book of Acts.  In Romans, Doctrines for entering the Church Age which will apply to the epistles of Paul  through Philemon.  Hebrews you find doctrine for entering the Great Tribulation and carry over unto Revelation 19.
     
    Each one of these hinge books sets up the doctrine to be followed for the age in which they represent.
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to Steve Schwenke in A New Covenant With The House Of Israel, And With The House Of Judah   
    This Jewish genealogy bit is pretty stupid in my opinion.  It is a smokescreen to cover the tracks of bad theology designed to get people confused and OBsessed over genealogies that may or may not be proven. 
     
    oh, wait...
     
    Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and GENEALOGIES....
     
    Why does Paul give us this instruction?  Because in the end it becomes a matter of speculation. 
     
    The Book of Hebrews
    I never said that I had prOBlems understanding it, but then again, Genevan can't understand why Peter would say that Paul's letters were hard to understand....so apparently this is again a novice who is oversimplifying things to the point that he has erased all of the "prOBlem passages." 
    The doctrinal prOBlem passages contained in the book of Hebrews are well documented everywhere.  Hebrews 6:1-6 has been giving fundamentalist "scholars" fits for decades.  That is just one example.  Sure - everybody has their own pet answer for all of these prOBlem passages, but the fact is that Hebrews presents more difficulties than any of the other Pauline epistles.  Anybody who has done intensive study of the NT knows that. 
     
    Invicta
    yes the title in many KJV editions says it was Paul who wrote it, but not all editions carry that title.  As DaveW said, the title is not inspired - the text of Scripture is.  And again, this only demonstrates the difficulties the book presents, as we are not even 100% sure that Paul wrote it.  I personally think he did - but very early.  And the title says it all - If Paul did write it (and I think he did), he did not write it to any local church, or the pastor of a local church, as all of his other epistles are.  He wrote it to the Hebrews.
    Further, when I said "Pauline Epistles" I defined that as Romans-Philemon, so your point is moot anyway.
     
    But all of this is digression from the main point.  We somehow got derailed from the main topic by this smokescreen about Jewish ancestry.  You see, we are not discussing the text of Scripture anymore, just wasting time trying to determine who is a "real" Jew and who is not.
     
    The text of Scripture in the OT, when dealing with covenant God made with Israel is explicitly clear.  It deals with a physical seed that is innumerable dwelling in the land God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and JacOB, being ruled over by David, and the Messiah who comes from David's line, who we know to be Jesus CHrist.
     
    Covenanter says all of the promises made to OT Israel have been fulfilled in Christ, and that we - the church - are somehow recipients of these promises.  This denies the plain wording of the passages that have been listed.   So he (and others) do 3 things - they shove as much as they can into the past, even though they have to deny the literal wording of the passages, and then what they can't explain they allegorize away.  Finally, instead of believing the plain statements of Rev. 20 (a physical kingdom on this present earth ruled over by Jesus Christ), they shove the Kingdom Age out into the Eternal age as described in Rev. 21-22.  Thus, they take part of the OT covenants with Israel, and apply them to the church, and they take some of the OT covenants with Israel and shove them into the eternal age. 
     
    I have attempted to demonstrate that they end up ignoring, twisting, and perverting Scripture in order to get this all to work.  If a person just reads the Scriptures as they are, they could never come up with some of the stuff that these guys are promoting - like the absurd interpretation of Luke 21:20 being the Roman armies.  NOBody would get that interpretation in a 1,000 years just by reading the Bible.  That interpretation comes from man trying to read history back into the Bible.  It certainly has no SOUND Biblical support at all.  Of course, he is quick to condemn us for using "outside sources" for dating, as if he does not use any "outside sources" for his information.  (Who is he trying to kid anyway?)
     
    Covenanter says the New Covenant is completely fulfilled in Christ, and cites Hebrews 8:10-12 as proof.  But he completely ignores the fact that part of that covenant was that nOBody would be allowed to teach about the Lord anymore, because that knowledge would already be present with them.  I listed the verses earlier, but here they are again - Zech. 13:1-6, Jer. 32:36-44, Jer. 31:31-34 and other similar passages.  These passages are clearly not speaking of the Eternal Age (Rev. 21-22), but something that will happen on THIS earth, before it is destroyed.  He just can't seem to grasp that there is a chronological order to the events listed in Rev. 19 (2nd coming of Christ), Rev. 20 (the 1,000 year reign of Christ on this earth), then Rev. 21-22 (the New Heaven, New Earth, and New Jerusalem). 
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to Steve Schwenke in A New Covenant With The House Of Israel, And With The House Of Judah   
    Here is another great passage regarding the New Covenant with Israel that is absolutely crystal clear - it cannot refer to the Christian Church, and it is not being fulfilled today.
     
    Jeremiah 32:36-44
    I will post a couple of verses from this passage with comments.
     
    v. 37 - "Behold, I will gather them (ISRAEL) out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again to THIS PLACE (the promised land!), and I will cause them to dwell safely:
     
    Sorry, this has not been fulfilled as yet.  It certainly does not apply to the NT Church.  It was not fulfilled in Ezra/Nehemiah because the rest of the passage forbids it. 
    For example:
    v. 39 "And I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me forever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:"
     
    Again, Jeremiah is speaking to ISRAEL.  The message is that they are restored to the land, there will be a change on a spiritual level that will affect the way they think.   They were not of one mind in Nehemiah (Neh. 3:5), nor were they OBedient unto the Law (Neh. 13 brings out several issues they were guilty of.)
     
    v. 40 "And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me."
     
    This has not happened yet.  Israel turned away from the Lord in Ezra/Nehemiah, and Malachi, and even in the gospels and early parts of Acts, they rejected the Lord Jesus Christ.  The covenant promised here is with genetic Israel, and deals with God bringing them out of captivity and putting them into the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and JacOB.  There is absolutely no connection to the NT Church here.
     
    v. 41 "Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will PLANT THEM IN THIS LAND assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul"
     
    How much clearer can you get?  The NT church is never promised any land!  And this covenant is to be an EVERLASTING COVENANT (v. 40)!  Were they in the land after 70 AD?  Was going doing them good in 70 AD? 
     
    THe entire chapter is an illustration of God's promise of a restored kingdom.  He had Jeremiah buy a piece of land from his uncle to illustrate that while judgment was forthcoming under Nebuchadnezzar, there would be a restoration, and the terms of this restoration were FOREVER.
     
    In Christ,
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to Steve Schwenke in A New Covenant With The House Of Israel, And With The House Of Judah   
    SInce I believe that God has preserved His words for us the way He wanted to in the ENGLISH KJV, then I must assume that the Lord meant for us to understand some sort of difference between Covenant and Testament, if nothing else in a connotative way.  Maybe they come from the same Greek word, but in my mind this only demonstrates the insufficiency of the Greek here.  The Lord is attempting to differentiate between the OT Covenants, primarily to PHYSICAL Israel, and the New TESTAMENT given to the Church. 
     
    It is also noteworthy that the term Covenant appears 14/20 in the NT in the Book of Hebrews, and only 3 times in the Pauline Epistles.  Hebrews is one of the most difficult book in the NT to interpret.  Matthew, Acts, and Hebrews cause more doctrinal stumblingblocks for the New Testament Church Age than any other books in the NT, so I am always suspicious of those who want to START in one of these books to prove their case.  Case in point, the title of this Book of the Bible in question should be a huge "warning bell" to the reader - "HEBREWS."  I am a Gentile through and through, not a Hebrew.  Thus, much of the content of this difficult book is pointed to the HEBREWS, and how Christ has partially fulfilled the requirements of the OT LAW.  However, as the OP notes, not ALL of the OT Law and Covenant has been fulfilled literally.  We do not replace Israel, nor are "included" in the New Covenant with Israel.  The OT promises were very specific regarding the PHYSICAL seed of Abraham, Isaac, and JacOB, and the PHYSICAL Land grants, and the PHYSICAL resurrection of David to rule over PHYSICAL Israel in their promised PHYSICAL land.  There is no getting around this, unless one just blithely dismisses 75% of the Bible.
    The Bible Believing Christians throughout this present age have been noted to base their doctrine primarily on Paul, i.e. Romans through Philemon, recognizing that while all of the Bible is written FOR us (Romans 15:4), not all of the Bible is written TO us (i.e. the Church). 
     
    In Christ,
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in A New Covenant With The House Of Israel, And With The House Of Judah   
    did you mean they will change "New Testament to New Covenant" to make the church Israel?
     
    paul quoted Christ telling him "New Testament" and The Author of Hebrews writes "New Testament"  yet they change both of these inthe newer versions and in Replacement theology to "New Covenant".
     
    And Like Steve Said the leading OP scriptures will take place in the future not now or did it take place anytime in the past.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from wretched in Repentance And How To Properly Share The Gospel   
    Self sanctification will not make anyone clean.  At Salvation it is imputed to you through Faith on Jesus Christ, Sanctification, Justification, Righteousness, Holiness and Godliness.  You need only walk in His Spirit or the Holy Ghost to live accordingly.  Gentiles walking in the Spirit will by the Imputed divine nature stay pure, clean and in service to Christ and produce fruit that is not theirs by any amount of works.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from wretched in Repentance And How To Properly Share The Gospel   
    In every instance of using the 10 commandments to lead someone to Christ you will create a legalist because the natural progression is if I didn't keep them and am guilty of that then I must keep them after I get saved.
     
    This is why Ray Comfort and his Lordship Salvation movement came about from his "Way of the Master Series"
     
    Many of the new Yeshua and YAH cults were invented because of the Way to the Master Series.  I know many men who have fallen from grace in this manner.  Beware of using the 10 comandement to convict Gentiles they are not right with God.
     
    Paul's word makes it clear that we were without God or the covenants because we were Gentiles (not the people of God).  We come to God through Christ who died for our sins period not that we broke the Law that was given for all Israel on Mr Horeb.
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to DaveW in So Where Was Baptism For Salvation In The Ot?   
    AVBB'
     
    Heb 11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;  Heb 11:25  Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;  Heb 11:26  Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.      Make what you will of it - Paul says Moses knew about CHRIST.
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to 1Timothy115 in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    I have this to say about the mid to post trib thought. It allows a man to know when the Lord would be coming back for the church (you and I) which isn't possible (Mt. 24:36+50). The beginning of the tribulation period is so well defined that there is no escaping the knowledge it has arrived (Mt 24:21). Men would begin their countdown clock when the tribulation began so they could 'receive Christ' as Savior just before He comes for the Bride. However, we will not see the wrath of God in the Tribulation period (1 Thess. 5:9). So, the only view I can accept from scripture is a pre-trib catching away. 
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to DaveW in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    This is frustrating - you say they did all happen, but as I read Revelation there are many things which are so fully defined that it is blatantly OBvious that they have never been fulfilled in history.
     
    But you guys simply redefine what Revelation says and minimise what are clearly world affecting events to be localised blips, and then say they have been fulfilled.
     
    I read Revelation, I regard history, and I see the events not matching up.
     
    Not unless you trivialise the events of Revelation - which you do.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    Strange teaching
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to Steve Schwenke in Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position   
    Swath
    Absolutely.
    The Scriptures are the final authority.  All other material is to be judged by the KJV.  I have found that the Holy Bible speaks on every topic known to mankind.  It is our jOB as Christians, when we are confronted with a new topic (that is, new to us as individuals), to search the Bible to find out what it says on that topic. 
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from beameup in So Where Was Baptism For Salvation In The Ot?   
    First I never implied that Baptism was for Salvation in the OT.
     
    Anyone who says I said that or I suggested that baptism was necessary in the OT or makes it seem I did is a LIAR
     
    I stated that it was a requirement under the Gospel of the Kingdom, which was never preached in the OT, it was only preached by John the Bapt, Jesus, and the 12 & the 70(72) disciples in the NT and it was only preached to Israel.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Steve Schwenke in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - "falling Away" Or "departure"?   
    seems some of you like going to the Greek to change the word of God.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    you must remember I knew no scripture before salvation to quote it in the testimony wont work for their purpose.  However there is a section to be added by the publisher after words that is the presentation of the Gospel and it will have scripture.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    I have five versions of my testimony. 3 short and 2 longer versions.  this one does not identify any real sinful activity nor details any particular sin activity that the other 4 do.   i.e. it does not talk about my drug dealing, sexual immorality and womanizing, nor of the fights and assaults (except one reference that goes with this version), it doesn't give any look at the details of my sinfulness before salvation. 
     
    This one was chosen by the publishers the choice was not mine.  I was told it was chosen because it is a generic testimony that many can relate too, those who are not drug addicts as well as those who are basically decent folk.
     
    For tracts you leave in bathrooms or telephone booths, yes shorten it.
     
    But for their purposes they want it longer.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    It's a Gospel Tract of my salvation.
     
    It should be published later this year.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Covenanter in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    It's a Gospel Tract of my salvation.
     
    It should be published later this year.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Covenanter in From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony   
    It was a dark time in my life one of those times where everything you try to do never seems to work out.  A time where wrong decisions cost you jOBs and friends.  It seemed as if this dark time had been going on for almost eight years, though who was really counting.  It was at this time I was to face what all men face, the price that all men pay, except one difference I was going to learn it was not my time to face it.
     
    I sat upon my bed in the shallowly lit room I had rented along side a home in Haiku Hawaii.  I was thinking, remembering and mentally chewing over my life of thirty three years.  Has it been all worth the living, I thought.    Have I really come to this point where I must choose or could there be any last hope for my miserable existence.  As I thought on this memories of times of my life came into the forefront of my mind.  Beckoning to relive from earliest years, the pain I have been through for such a ling time.
     
    I remember the train station on that partially clouding day in 1961, I couldn't have been more than two years of age.  The ceiling lamps had made their impression, I remember them as green and white inverted umbrella’s hanging from the ceiling, perspectively getting smaller as I looked down along the waiting platform.  I can’t remember if the station was full, I don’t remember if any family had come to see us off.  I seem to remember wearing a small fedora and a little suit coat, my sister in her frilly white dress and my baby brother in a stroller awaiting the train to Los Angeles.
     
    But memories like these are always so dreary and bleak but it will be one memory I will not forget.  Maybe it was because I would not see my dad again for many years, maybe it was because it was the first major geographic change in my life.  But what ever the reason, and whether it is now a fully accurate memory, it has remained with me my entire life.  Very few memories remained as this one, and as of them all they were caused by some traumatic event that had befell me in my life.
     
    As time progressed without concern for any, the roadway of life continues to be one of sunshine and darkness.  Not one of us has had a life that does not have the ups and downs, these things plague all men, of all races, of all times.  My life was no different except I faced each day as a dreamer, imagining being in another place or time but never pushing forward any set goals or achievement.  By the time I graduated high school I had no set plan for life, I had no purpose for which I lived except for personal joy via the normal escapes of alcohol and drugs, a clear product of a 70's teenager.
     
    I lived my dream world, not staying at any one jOB long enough to get bored if I did I still never lasted more than 6 months.  I liked change, I was born into a life of changing scenery where when you got tired of something leave it behind and move on to something else, never caring how it affected others as long as I was happy and high, why care.
     
    A few years living amongst an adult world began to harden me but at the same time sent me on a journey looking for a purpose in life, and seeing that there was nothing in this world worth pursuing I thought some esoteric search from Hindu, Buddhist or one of the many New Age spiritual guru’s of the day.  Maybe they could provide me with some knowledge or wisdom that I sought to help fill the answers of an empty life.  It was during that time I began the longing for a companion, a complement or a person by which I could show my love for.  As this was the essence of what I was gleaning from these teachers that I had so eagerly sought.
     
    I was around 20 when I met her, a beauty that made many of my friends jealous.  She was independent yet bubbly and a joy to be around.  It took some wooing but I was able to garner her love and I in turn fell deeply in love with her.  But when your life is one of self enjoyment finding pleasure in the things this world has to offer, it will strain even the most deepest of relationships.  And as such she left me broken and the result was as if I had been severed by a knife so sharp yet with the pain of one so dull.  The rip in my heart would never heal, the pain I carried for many years and if I dreg it up I can still feel it as if it had just happened.
     
    Again the struggle of my life seemed insurmountable I was not sure what to do.  Should I stay and see her from time to time, this I dreaded more than life itself.  To see her at a store or a home of a mutual friend made living in that town a misery far more painful than the first day she left.  I had to do something and changing locations seemed to be the only answer at the time.  Would it be worse not to see her at all or to occasionally cross paths?  I chose the hardest, the separation, I would never look upon her again.  But where, when, how?  These plagued my decision a process, many a man and woman will face in any and many a decisions in their life but for me I knew not what to do, I was lost.
     
    Then one day an opportunity came, a jOB offer in another state, a beautiful state one I had never been to, Hawaii.  I sold everything I had and took very few things with me.  I boarded that plane and never looked back.  And it would be more than seven years later I would even set foot in that town again.  But life in this new place still did not fair well.  My drug habits and alcohol use soon caused me to once again ruin another relationship, another jOB, another chance.  And there I stood on the street in Maui, paradise as called by many, for me it was far from any Shangra-la.
     
    Instinct for survival pushes a man to do what he must to survive, and so I pushed hard the troubles and cares from my mind and just walked, thinking what I can do?  “I have experiences in restaurant work why not go and see if anyone is hiring a dishwasher at least I could get a free meal and some quick cash” I thought.  And the first restaurant I hit hired me on the spot.  Not two hours later they realized they had someone with experience on their hands and another jOB was offered me at one of their other restaurants in a hotel not one mile away.  Life seemed to look good again fresh scenery a chance to show what I know.  But still I wanted change I seemed drawn to it, as if change was all that mattered.
     
    I ended up sue-chef in one of their sports bars a year later and within 6 months I had, out of a fit of anger punched out the manager for gossiping about me.  Imagine, I had it made I could go on to higher places and move up but yet my nature would always cause me to move along, like the wind making a circuit not knowing where it comes or where it goes, just that it moves.  One move after another, my life has been like a chess game, but not only did I not know the rules of this game I was unprepared to play the game of life and I was losing.  Every move I took it always seemed to be the wrong one.
     
    There I sat in that shallowly lit room these memories were about me and tired me even to carry them around any more.  What more can one do, what more is there in life, what do I have to prove any more?  Nothing.  So I loaded that National Match Colt model 1911, six in the clip and one in the barrel just to make it easy and I began to talk myself into this final move, this final change of scenery, to take the step that would lead me to peace.  All I had to do was pick it up and put it in my mouth and BAM!!! It would all be over.  This life that had been what seemed one bad change after another, a life that was full of hurt, distrust and anger would finally end and I could have some peace.  As I reached down to pick up that polished metal pistol, the answer of my peace lay in its bowels and all I had to do was release it and be free.
     
    Finally I had the courage up and I reached down picked up the gun, from that moment I was set to pull that trigger.  As I brought up the gun to place it in my mouth as clear as any of my conscience voice has ever been or was I hearing something external, but I heard it, a voice and it said, “pick up the Bible”.  I stopped and for what seemed like a few minutes I asked, “where did that come from?”  I was confused, I was startled and I was halted in my purpose, there was no forward and no backward motion, I just sat there with the gun in my hand, raised between the floor and my mouth simply wondering.  It was as I were suspended between time and eternity, floating in thought, a dream world.  Then as quickly as that had happened I said to myself, “if there be something in the Bible maybe this is wrong”.
     
    I put the gun down and began to frantically look for my Bible.  But to my great amazement it was not there.  I could find a dozen books on new age, some on meditation but I couldn’t find the Bible.  After a few hours of searching I finally gave up my search and sat thinking, “where could I get a Bible?”
     
    Then an answer came, that youth missions place in Paia, they will have a Bible.  I looked up and it was nearing two in the morning so I hit the sack thinking to get up and go there first thing in the morning.  I had to find out what was in that Bible, I had to know of all things why that I heard “pick up the Bible”.  I went to bed so I could get up early to head into Paia.
     
    I awoke at 6am, time seemed to pass quickly as I got dressed and walked two miles to the highway where I waited.  It was a cool Maui morning as I waited and it wasn't long  before a blue Chevy station wagon slowed down and pulled up in front of me.  I opened the door and the driver asked where I was headed.  I told him I was heading into Paia and he agreed to give me a ride. Not far down the road he asked my name and introduced himself as Ron Peers.  I shook his hand and returned to staring out the window my mind just going over last nights events.
     
    Suddenly Ron broke the silence and asked if he could ask me a question.  Being polite and said, “sure.”  He said, “Do you know Jesus?”
     
    I was sat there shocked in unbelief and at that moment I was not sure how to answer, I surely wasn’t going to tell a complete stranger that I that the night before I had a gun in my hand ready to take my life.  So I responded with the truth.  I said, “That is funny, I was just heading into Paia to that youth Missions place to see if they could give me a Bible.”
     
    Ron answered and told me that they would not be there on Sunday’s because they go to different churches and he said some of them go to his church.  Then he invited me to his church as he was heading there to set up because he was part of the worship team.  He even said they would give me a Bible.  So I agreed.  As we neared Paia Ron turned onto an old road leading up through the pineapple fields to the Old Maui High School gym where they held their Sunday Services.
     
    After we arrived I went in and met a few other people and as I waited more and more people came in.  As they arrived each introduced themselves to me and were very nice despite the fact I was high and prOBably not smelling to good.  They showed the Love of Christ that was for sure.  Soon all the chairs were set up and the band finished their sound check and were praying in a huddle.  People continued to file in and take up the seats and I sat over on one side and after the singing the preacher got up and taught something out of Matthew.  I don’t remember the message but the conclusion was a thought catcher. He said, “If you were to die today where would you go Heaven or Hell?”  Well you could imagine what was going on in my mind.  I sat there thinking wow last night I had a gun in my hand ready to die and I never thought about where I would go.
     
    Then he spoke about Jesus and how he bore the penalty of my sin upon the cross and suffered God’s wrath there in my place.  And then that he also died the death that was my death and was buried and went into hell where I was supposed to go because I was a sinner.  The good news was he rose again on the third day to give me everlasting life if I would just believe on the work he did for me on the cross.  He then asked who would like to receive Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour and my hand shot up as if it had a mind of its own.
     
    There in that old high school gym on March 14th 1993, I believed on the cross of Jesus Christ.  That day started for me a new life, a life that would prove to be just as a difficult and full of troubles and blessings but one thing was different, I had Jesus there to walk with me and to guide me and to teach me his word.  That wonderfully beautiful sunny morning will forever stick in my memory to contrasted the darkness I had, and it revealed the truth of God’s love for me and ultimately for you as well.
     
    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.     Eph 2:10
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    It was a dark time in my life one of those times where everything you try to do never seems to work out.  A time where wrong decisions cost you jOBs and friends.  It seemed as if this dark time had been going on for almost eight years, though who was really counting.  It was at this time I was to face what all men face, the price that all men pay, except one difference I was going to learn it was not my time to face it.
     
    I sat upon my bed in the shallowly lit room I had rented along side a home in Haiku Hawaii.  I was thinking, remembering and mentally chewing over my life of thirty three years.  Has it been all worth the living, I thought.    Have I really come to this point where I must choose or could there be any last hope for my miserable existence.  As I thought on this memories of times of my life came into the forefront of my mind.  Beckoning to relive from earliest years, the pain I have been through for such a ling time.
     
    I remember the train station on that partially clouding day in 1961, I couldn't have been more than two years of age.  The ceiling lamps had made their impression, I remember them as green and white inverted umbrella’s hanging from the ceiling, perspectively getting smaller as I looked down along the waiting platform.  I can’t remember if the station was full, I don’t remember if any family had come to see us off.  I seem to remember wearing a small fedora and a little suit coat, my sister in her frilly white dress and my baby brother in a stroller awaiting the train to Los Angeles.
     
    But memories like these are always so dreary and bleak but it will be one memory I will not forget.  Maybe it was because I would not see my dad again for many years, maybe it was because it was the first major geographic change in my life.  But what ever the reason, and whether it is now a fully accurate memory, it has remained with me my entire life.  Very few memories remained as this one, and as of them all they were caused by some traumatic event that had befell me in my life.
     
    As time progressed without concern for any, the roadway of life continues to be one of sunshine and darkness.  Not one of us has had a life that does not have the ups and downs, these things plague all men, of all races, of all times.  My life was no different except I faced each day as a dreamer, imagining being in another place or time but never pushing forward any set goals or achievement.  By the time I graduated high school I had no set plan for life, I had no purpose for which I lived except for personal joy via the normal escapes of alcohol and drugs, a clear product of a 70's teenager.
     
    I lived my dream world, not staying at any one jOB long enough to get bored if I did I still never lasted more than 6 months.  I liked change, I was born into a life of changing scenery where when you got tired of something leave it behind and move on to something else, never caring how it affected others as long as I was happy and high, why care.
     
    A few years living amongst an adult world began to harden me but at the same time sent me on a journey looking for a purpose in life, and seeing that there was nothing in this world worth pursuing I thought some esoteric search from Hindu, Buddhist or one of the many New Age spiritual guru’s of the day.  Maybe they could provide me with some knowledge or wisdom that I sought to help fill the answers of an empty life.  It was during that time I began the longing for a companion, a complement or a person by which I could show my love for.  As this was the essence of what I was gleaning from these teachers that I had so eagerly sought.
     
    I was around 20 when I met her, a beauty that made many of my friends jealous.  She was independent yet bubbly and a joy to be around.  It took some wooing but I was able to garner her love and I in turn fell deeply in love with her.  But when your life is one of self enjoyment finding pleasure in the things this world has to offer, it will strain even the most deepest of relationships.  And as such she left me broken and the result was as if I had been severed by a knife so sharp yet with the pain of one so dull.  The rip in my heart would never heal, the pain I carried for many years and if I dreg it up I can still feel it as if it had just happened.
     
    Again the struggle of my life seemed insurmountable I was not sure what to do.  Should I stay and see her from time to time, this I dreaded more than life itself.  To see her at a store or a home of a mutual friend made living in that town a misery far more painful than the first day she left.  I had to do something and changing locations seemed to be the only answer at the time.  Would it be worse not to see her at all or to occasionally cross paths?  I chose the hardest, the separation, I would never look upon her again.  But where, when, how?  These plagued my decision a process, many a man and woman will face in any and many a decisions in their life but for me I knew not what to do, I was lost.
     
    Then one day an opportunity came, a jOB offer in another state, a beautiful state one I had never been to, Hawaii.  I sold everything I had and took very few things with me.  I boarded that plane and never looked back.  And it would be more than seven years later I would even set foot in that town again.  But life in this new place still did not fair well.  My drug habits and alcohol use soon caused me to once again ruin another relationship, another jOB, another chance.  And there I stood on the street in Maui, paradise as called by many, for me it was far from any Shangra-la.
     
    Instinct for survival pushes a man to do what he must to survive, and so I pushed hard the troubles and cares from my mind and just walked, thinking what I can do?  “I have experiences in restaurant work why not go and see if anyone is hiring a dishwasher at least I could get a free meal and some quick cash” I thought.  And the first restaurant I hit hired me on the spot.  Not two hours later they realized they had someone with experience on their hands and another jOB was offered me at one of their other restaurants in a hotel not one mile away.  Life seemed to look good again fresh scenery a chance to show what I know.  But still I wanted change I seemed drawn to it, as if change was all that mattered.
     
    I ended up sue-chef in one of their sports bars a year later and within 6 months I had, out of a fit of anger punched out the manager for gossiping about me.  Imagine, I had it made I could go on to higher places and move up but yet my nature would always cause me to move along, like the wind making a circuit not knowing where it comes or where it goes, just that it moves.  One move after another, my life has been like a chess game, but not only did I not know the rules of this game I was unprepared to play the game of life and I was losing.  Every move I took it always seemed to be the wrong one.
     
    There I sat in that shallowly lit room these memories were about me and tired me even to carry them around any more.  What more can one do, what more is there in life, what do I have to prove any more?  Nothing.  So I loaded that National Match Colt model 1911, six in the clip and one in the barrel just to make it easy and I began to talk myself into this final move, this final change of scenery, to take the step that would lead me to peace.  All I had to do was pick it up and put it in my mouth and BAM!!! It would all be over.  This life that had been what seemed one bad change after another, a life that was full of hurt, distrust and anger would finally end and I could have some peace.  As I reached down to pick up that polished metal pistol, the answer of my peace lay in its bowels and all I had to do was release it and be free.
     
    Finally I had the courage up and I reached down picked up the gun, from that moment I was set to pull that trigger.  As I brought up the gun to place it in my mouth as clear as any of my conscience voice has ever been or was I hearing something external, but I heard it, a voice and it said, “pick up the Bible”.  I stopped and for what seemed like a few minutes I asked, “where did that come from?”  I was confused, I was startled and I was halted in my purpose, there was no forward and no backward motion, I just sat there with the gun in my hand, raised between the floor and my mouth simply wondering.  It was as I were suspended between time and eternity, floating in thought, a dream world.  Then as quickly as that had happened I said to myself, “if there be something in the Bible maybe this is wrong”.
     
    I put the gun down and began to frantically look for my Bible.  But to my great amazement it was not there.  I could find a dozen books on new age, some on meditation but I couldn’t find the Bible.  After a few hours of searching I finally gave up my search and sat thinking, “where could I get a Bible?”
     
    Then an answer came, that youth missions place in Paia, they will have a Bible.  I looked up and it was nearing two in the morning so I hit the sack thinking to get up and go there first thing in the morning.  I had to find out what was in that Bible, I had to know of all things why that I heard “pick up the Bible”.  I went to bed so I could get up early to head into Paia.
     
    I awoke at 6am, time seemed to pass quickly as I got dressed and walked two miles to the highway where I waited.  It was a cool Maui morning as I waited and it wasn't long  before a blue Chevy station wagon slowed down and pulled up in front of me.  I opened the door and the driver asked where I was headed.  I told him I was heading into Paia and he agreed to give me a ride. Not far down the road he asked my name and introduced himself as Ron Peers.  I shook his hand and returned to staring out the window my mind just going over last nights events.
     
    Suddenly Ron broke the silence and asked if he could ask me a question.  Being polite and said, “sure.”  He said, “Do you know Jesus?”
     
    I was sat there shocked in unbelief and at that moment I was not sure how to answer, I surely wasn’t going to tell a complete stranger that I that the night before I had a gun in my hand ready to take my life.  So I responded with the truth.  I said, “That is funny, I was just heading into Paia to that youth Missions place to see if they could give me a Bible.”
     
    Ron answered and told me that they would not be there on Sunday’s because they go to different churches and he said some of them go to his church.  Then he invited me to his church as he was heading there to set up because he was part of the worship team.  He even said they would give me a Bible.  So I agreed.  As we neared Paia Ron turned onto an old road leading up through the pineapple fields to the Old Maui High School gym where they held their Sunday Services.
     
    After we arrived I went in and met a few other people and as I waited more and more people came in.  As they arrived each introduced themselves to me and were very nice despite the fact I was high and prOBably not smelling to good.  They showed the Love of Christ that was for sure.  Soon all the chairs were set up and the band finished their sound check and were praying in a huddle.  People continued to file in and take up the seats and I sat over on one side and after the singing the preacher got up and taught something out of Matthew.  I don’t remember the message but the conclusion was a thought catcher. He said, “If you were to die today where would you go Heaven or Hell?”  Well you could imagine what was going on in my mind.  I sat there thinking wow last night I had a gun in my hand ready to die and I never thought about where I would go.
     
    Then he spoke about Jesus and how he bore the penalty of my sin upon the cross and suffered God’s wrath there in my place.  And then that he also died the death that was my death and was buried and went into hell where I was supposed to go because I was a sinner.  The good news was he rose again on the third day to give me everlasting life if I would just believe on the work he did for me on the cross.  He then asked who would like to receive Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour and my hand shot up as if it had a mind of its own.
     
    There in that old high school gym on March 14th 1993, I believed on the cross of Jesus Christ.  That day started for me a new life, a life that would prove to be just as a difficult and full of troubles and blessings but one thing was different, I had Jesus there to walk with me and to guide me and to teach me his word.  That wonderfully beautiful sunny morning will forever stick in my memory to contrasted the darkness I had, and it revealed the truth of God’s love for me and ultimately for you as well.
     
    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.     Eph 2:10
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