AVBibleBeliever reacted to Steve Schwenke in Rightly Dividing?
"Rightly Dividing the word of truth" requires STUDY and WORK.
Failure to "rightly divide" results in false teaching, as demonstrated by the passage. Hymenaus and Philetus were teaching post-millennialism, which Paul uses as an example of "wrong division."
Isa. 28:9-13 comes to mind, along with Prov. 2:1-9
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in John Calvin Had It All Wrong
I had wanted to say this earlier but I held my tongue but now you asked for an anti-calvinist to comment and here goes.
Number or activity does not prove the truth of any system of Theology. Gain is not th evidence of godliness as some would want us to think. Large ministries prove nothing.
2Cor 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
PrOBably not what you wanted to hear and at the same time it is what you were expecting to hear.
AVBibleBeliever reacted to mkrishna in John Calvin Had It All Wrong
Also, the number of popular teachers in a certain theology does not make it true. There are a number of popular preachers who hold to Calvinism, and people basically get the theology by listening to them or reading their books, not from the Bible. We need to throw out our creeds and have the Bible as the ONLY authority.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from beameup in Pre Tribulation Rapture
One form of tribulation is Judgement and if you don't want to recognize that then you are willfully being ignorant to the meaning of the words God inspired and preserved for our wisdom and knowledge. Yes another form of tribulation is a time of testing, but God only test the saved never the usaved. The unsaved current tribulation is to drive them to God or Drive them further away, and it is a form of Judgement on the unsaved even before the actual time of the Great Tribulation comes upon the earth such as never seen before.
let's look at the uses of the great tribulation
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. this has not happened yet and is still future so it is speaking of a special time not general tribulation
Re 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. unrepentant people (notice that repentance is required if they want to be saved, is it a faith plus works message here. Not a faith alone. the time period is already the tribulation.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their rOBes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. these are not born after the Spirit Christians, these are those who believe the faith plus works message being preached during the Great Tribulation. They did not just go through hardships these gave up their lives for their faith and it speaks clearly of a time period called the Great Tribulation.
The great tribulation is a time period and a period of suffering but all the above verses are divinely connect by cross reference to Jesus statement that there will be in the future a period of Time he called great tribulation that has never before been faced on the earth.
Don't err not knowing the scriptures for it stubbles the saved and keeps others from getting saved.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from beameup in When Were The Eleven Born Again?
Uke, I have and still do meditate on these. I do believe that salvation is by faith. However I also see in scriptures that faith, works and grace are all at work in the salvation of men no matter what age they are in but these three attributes of salvation are applied in a different manner according to the message and age men are in.
Here is what Paul said, 1Cor 15:3, 4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
And when I compare it to Acts I can't help but see something different Peter tells of the death burial and resurrection but nowhere says Jesus Died for our sins.
Acts 2:22-36 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 10:34-43 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. One thing you know is that the he who believeth on him SHALL receive the REMISSION of sins. It means their sins weren't forgiven the moment they believed but was set for a certain time still in the future.
In Acts 8 this message was preached by Philip you will notice that nowhere in Philip's message does he say Christ dies for the sins of all men. the closest it get to it is recorded in Isaiah that in his humiliation judgement was taken away but the context speaks of the judgement of Israel as a nation. Here in the following verse you see what the Eunuch confesses in believing and it was not that Christ died for his sins or that he was his saviour, but that Christ was the son of God. Again no blood shed for the forgiveness of sins.
Acts 8:29-37 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Peter is the the last one in the Bible to preach this message before the Church Age was initiated with the calling of Paul and the gospel of Grace was given unto him for all men.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in Question For Pastors
Kit, I have been doing if for 15 years it is possible. Even now the Lord is supplying for me and my family we go not hungry or without our bills paid. Anytime I start to work hard to bring home from 300-500 a week the Lord allows me to be hurt to the point that I cannot walk, sit or sleep without severe pain.
The last three weeks I have been once again in this position and today I have a jOB interview and I will be going in with a very painful Limp. Just to try and get a jOB. Chances are I wont get it because of my condition.
I served in the mission field without support and when I gained it God allowed deceitful covetous opportunist to get my support for themselves and yet not once did we go hungry or our bills weren't paid. And he continues to do it even though I am no longer in the field.
So please don't say it can't be done. Men have turned themselves into hirelings and their churches into organizations that operate as a business.
You are looking on how to handle this situation and it is simple. Handle it as a CEO would a company because this is how fellowships are handling everything else they do including yours. Go to the other fellowship, get to know them then if they want that man then he should submit a resignation, date of departure and appoint a new leader before leaving. case closed
AVBibleBeliever reacted to HappyChristian in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
John Smyth is a very poor example, as he migrated to Mennonite before he died. His path took him from Anglican to Se-Baptist, to Mennonite. As an IFB, my doctrinal beliefs don't come from him, but rather from scripture. Rightly divided scripture, not scripture being put up to twist into something that becomes a pet argument. Such as original sin.
Winman, that's enough with your mockery. If you can't discuss something without resorting to childish thrusts, then remain silent. Scripture you have provided does not, in fact, prove your thesis that people are not born with sin.
You can proclaim all you want that Romans 5:12 teaches only death as a result of sin, but you are dead wrong. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world [sin may have originated with the devil, but scripture very clearly says that it came into this world by one man...and context shows that one man to be Adam], and death by sin [OBviously this means that death now comes as a result of sin in the world]; and so death passed upon all men [simply meaning as a result of the sin in the world, death is something all people inherit], for that all have sinned." Anyone who understands plain english can see that this prepositional phrase refers to the fact that death has come upon all for the reason that all have sinned. That's the plain teaching of scripture.
You, Winman, have posted a few things that in actuality cause doubt upon the deity of Christ. You can claim that you haven't, but that is the effect of some of the things that you have said. Now, here is your cease and desist order. If you want to discuss and fellowship, great. But stop introducing your blatantly perverted doctrines. If you insist on continuing - even in arguing with this post - you will be banned. But unlike BB, it won't be just for a month.
Jesus Christ was born sinless. That is not going to be open to argument. He is God. He was God before He became flesh. Gen. 3:15 clearly tells us that He would be born of the seed of the woman. Physically impossible since women do not have seed, but with God all things are possible. He did not inherit the sin nature with which we are all born (and for someone who supposedly has 8 kids to say that babies can't lie just because they can't speak is ludicrous...) because had He inherited it, He would not have been sinless and able to be the perfect sacrifice required for the sin of the world.
As a man, Jesus had the same issues we have: hunger, thirst, etc. Without sin. Hebrews 4:15 is clear on that: "For we have an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities: but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." He did not sin. We sin often. By commission and omission, because of our natural bent toward that. Natural meaning a distinct part of our nature with which we are born.
Being tempted is not sin in and of itself. Remember that we are in a fleshly body that has fleshly desires (not all desires are wrong...but when they are put in the wrong priority they become wrong). Because of those fleshly desires, we can be tempted, enticed. It is when we give in to those temptations (even if the desires are of a good thing, if they are in the wrong time/wrong place category, they are wrong) that is sin. And continuing in giving in to temptation causes the temptations to expand and become worse and worse...
Jesus Christ hungered after His 40 days in the desert. In His fleshly body, He needed food, just as we do. And so, because of His hunger, He could have been susceptible to the devil's tempting Him. But He wasn't. Why? Simply because He was God and could not sin, even in His human form.
AVBibleBeliever reacted to heartstrings in John Calvin Had It All Wrong
For God so loved the Reformed, that he gave his only begotten son, that the limited few he had unconditionally chosen to overpower their resistance and thereby believe against their will, should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvin 3:16
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from 2bLikeJesus in Bethel’S Bill Johnson: “Jesus Was So Empty Of Divine Capacity…”
How could he be the fullness of the Godhead bodily if he had no divine nature or power? How could he be God in the flesh?
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2, 14 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
If people say is was not god in the flesh they are not of God Read 1 John
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from John81 in How Many Rivers?
Ever see those ancient astronaut pictures from south America where they are laying back in what they try to make you think is an ancient space craft. Well those were not astronauts they depictions of the priest of those temples star gazing, they were recording the stars and mapping the heavens and the movement of the sun, moon and stars.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Ronda in Is God Forcing Me To Marry?
hey that happened to me and it was a shock. So I told the Lord hey this lady doesn't even like me. so I threw it back into his hands and said. If she is the one you want me to marry then you have to change her heart.
10 months later while on a short term mission outreach. She insisted on talking to me and it turned out God was speaking to her about me. And for some reason I said all the things she wanted to hear. A year and a half later we were married and have been for 16 years, the mother of my only three children.
Requirements for marriage is that he is a Christian. A Harry Potter fan doesn't sound like a Christian to me. Not all home schoolers are Christians some are secular libertarians.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
I do know the word of God says that if we say we are without/have no sin (and that would mean at anytime in our lives as well as right now this instant) we make God a liar and his word is not in us.
1John 1:8, 10 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. . . . If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Also the Bible says this, Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. before we were ever born God said we were sinners and that Christ dies for us.
Is it so hard to see/believe that men are born in sin, that they have a sin nature?
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
But I have seen sinfulness at work in infants.
they are growing beings and as such exhibit manipulative selfish ways.
They learn very quickly that when they cry someone will come and pick them up. Oftentimes they seem to be crying for no reason, they were fed, they are not sick, and they have not dirtied themselves. They just want to be picked up.
Nothing wrong with that except when you can't get anything done because they kid keeps crying for no reason other than wanting to be picked up.
That is the natural propensity to self centered sin that is in them from birth.
AVBibleBeliever reacted to DaveW in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
No, I am pointing out that he is moving from Biblical fact to speculation when he bases a doctrine on words like "prOBably".
He is trying to argue that David being conceived in sin is because "he prOBably was from Jesse's second wife."
If he showed biblical proof of it then fine, but he did not.
I showed in two simple verses a basic run down - he responded with speculative argument.
I am not going to argue against speculation with more speculation.
By the way he responded to me by saying that what I posted was false and unsupported by Scripture.
Who exactly is accusing without Addressing the post?
AVBibleBeliever reacted to DaveW in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Death came upon all men when Adam introduced sin into the world - because of this all men have sinned.
That is Biblically plain - all men are sinners because Adam sinned, and we are his children.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Notice that His Son was made "of a woman".
The Virgin birth is essential because the Bible indicates that the sin nature is passed through the man - part of God's defined authority structure.
Jesus had no earthly father and therefore no inherent sin nature.
Sin was neither within Him, nor did He sin of Himself.
AVBibleBeliever reacted to John81 in Blood Moon Tonight
Why aren't we so vociferous over attacks across our southern border? Drug cartels, gangs, Mexican police, border patrol and military have all fired upon our agents on the border. A flood of illegals is invading the country (and they know they are invading) and among these illegals are street gangs, agents of the drug cartels and various terrorists.
Why do we raise more of a fuss over what's going on between Israel and Hamas than we do over what's going on in America (or even other countries which are facing similar invasions)? Especially when we know the Israeli government will take action while our own government aids and exacerbates our prOBlems.
While there are armed conflicts going on in scores of countries around the world, why focus upon supposed atrocities committed by Israel when their enemy drew first blood, purposefully put their own civilians in harms way and reject cease fires that Israel accepts, even while actual atrocities are being committed in vast numbers elsewhere and very purposefully; even to the point of intended genocide and elimination of those of other religions?
Considering the dismal performance of most of our own governments and their mismanagement of our nations, likely to their not too distant ruin, we should get our own houses in order rather than tossing stones at the houses of others.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from John81 in Original Sin/the Sin Nature
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
AVBibleBeliever reacted to paid4 in Is God Forcing Me To Marry?
Maybe God is wanting you to share your faith with him. You are OBviously having thoughts about this person. Most of the time throughout my life when God puts someone on my mind it's to either pray for them or witness to them.
Give him the gospel. Besides we're all ugly and nerdy and sinful until Christ has come into our heart. Let God change his life through you.
God Bless and let us know how it goes.
AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Alimantado in "traditions"
what is even more amazing is that I don't read the "day's of praise" or have any publication of theirs in my home.
It was placed on my heart yesterday and I thought I would share it as I was looking at the Bible to determine what were the traditions Paul taught especially as it seems he was pointing to the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians as containing those Traditions.