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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to GraceSaved in Balancing The Christian Life   
    In short, our judgments should be consistent, not hypocritical.  With humility, not with superiority.  With facts, not assumptions.  With words or deeds, not with motive or intent.  Biblical issues, not personal preferences.  Sins, not sinners.  Temporal matters, not eternal matters (salvation).  I see this one a lot where Christians question another's salvation based on women wearing pants, music they listen to, the list goes on, etc.  Our goal should be to show Christ, not how good we are.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in What Is Preaching?   
    It isn't just IFB as we all have seen this has been happening in all denominations and amongs evangelicals as well over the years.  It is finally just catching up to the IFB crowd.
     
    Hence, a falling away from the word of God that was predicted just before that wicked one makes himself known.  Much of this as was noted in the link I gave for a study in Biblical Church leadership (some of which just read it and not studied along to see if it were true.)  It took me a while to get over what I was taught to finally understand what those scriptures were talking about as far as leadership.  But it starts in the leadership format and from their a falling away.  Every church in all of our history has gone the same direction and ends in a falling away (apostasy).  This is what you are seeing.
     
    WE are close to our gathering unto him in the clouds my friends.
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    I learned, along time ago, that there is one interpretation for God's Word and that is God Himself.  However, there are many applications to scripture and that is where man comes into play.  In other words, God's Word is instruction on how to live a godly life.

    Jeffrey, whenever you want to start a discussion on it, is fine with me.  No rush, brother.  I know you are working and have limited time.  
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Balancing The Christian Life   
    My friend I am not against you exercising your Liberty to drink. 
     
    And regardless if they were in wandering for their unbelief the example of scripture types can be applied to our lives. 
     
    And my post was about Christian lifestyle or living in and amongst the unsaved and the saved and in this area we should be an ensample to them and not give offences or an occasion to stumble.  If you want your life style to reflect the world than ok but we are told not to be like the world.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Balancing The Christian Life   
    This is in line with the Christian life and not a argument against drinking alcoholic beverages.
     
    The only Christians I have known that bring up the issues of Legalism almost always are the ones who have a conviction that it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages.
     
    This now brings my survey to 100% of those who think it is ok to drink alcohol as a Christian bring up issues of legalism.
     
    Most of the verse come from the OT concerning Israel not one of the Christians that feel it is ok to drink alcohol are Jewish.  But I will remind anyone as a Christian if they want to use the OT to justify their alcohol drinking. 
     
    We are told (Duet 29:6) that when Israel was in the wilderness 40 years they did not drink wine or strong drink.  We too as Christians, with the sacrifice of Christ upon us daily, and we have been brought out of Egypt (a type of world), and are in a wandering place not of this world but waiting for God to bring us into our new home in heaven.  Should we not like Israel in her wanderings not drink wine or strong drink?
     
    And we are told no longer to walk as the unsaved (the Gentiles) walk (Eph 4:17).  Even the unsaved doctors say it is ok to drink one glass of beer or wine daily for ones heart or health.  But again that is a way of the Gentiles we are not to walk in.
     
    While I agree that drunkenness is sin and not the drinking of alcohol but where does one draw the line?  For one a glass is already made them drunk and to another it may take five or six.  So where is the line drawn?
     
    I will give some examples as I am sure many here have witnessed.
     
    A Christian brother (a Baptist) who names the Lord walks into a restaurant that has a bar walked up to the bar and ordered a beer.  He believes he has the liberty to drink beer or wine.  He turns and sees another brother eating dinner with his family they don't exercise this same liberty as he.  He walks over to this other brother and his family and starts up a conversation about ministry and how it is going.  This brother and his family are deeply offended at this.  Not to mention the looks from the people who were not saved listening to this supposed born of the Spirit Christian drinking beer and bragging about his ministry.  His excuse was the day was tough and he was waiting for some repair on his vehicle and decided to relax and have a beer.  You see he needed the beer to help him with his tough day and attitude not God.
     
    Another Christian brother (a Baptist) who was teaching pastors in theology who felt we have the liberty to drink beer and string drink.  During his course of teaching these men also taught them it was ok and that they have the liberty to drink beer and strong drink as long as they did not get drunk.  One day he invited them (just the men) over to his home for dinner and gave them all a beer to drink.  He opened his and drank and soon after all of them were drinking beer.  Many of these pastors later backslid into drunkenness and their testimony and ministry was ruined.  All because of Christian Liberty.  BTW, this supposed Baptist came from a Roman Catholic Priesthood.
     
    And lastly,
     
    A Young girl under the drinking age limit was living in another Christian's home (a Baptist) and they drank wine sometimes three times a day with meals and before bed.  One time at the dinner table they mixed wine for them all to drink with dinner. This young girl refused to drink the wine mixture and they began to chide her.  Out of embarrassment she took a sip and immediately she was convicted it was wrong by the Holy Ghost and felt she lost her spirituality she had previously.  She left that very evening and went to her pastor and told her what took place and he helped her through her spiritual dilemma.  However once contacted the Brother who gave the wine to this under aged girl refused to come to talk to the pastor and left the church and went to attend another church.   the young girl and the pastor were both offended.
     
    I choose not to drink for I have the Holy Ghost and do not want to replace Him with another spirit.  why do you think they call alcoholic beverages spirits?
     
    Jesus warned those whom through offences come and that there need be of offences.
     
     Matt 18:7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
    Lu 17:1-3 ¶ Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!   It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
     Rom 14:21 [it is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
     Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
     
    The whole church is to mark these that cause offences whether to the saved or unsaved but so much more to the saved, and remove them from fellowship and avoid them and their offensive liberties.
     
    Moreover we do not see Paul ever drinking wine in the Bible and he should be our ensample/example we are told to mark and follow.
     
     Php 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
     2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     
    Being an ensample to others on chaste and charitable living is our duty that others may follow after our good ensamples.
     
    Go ahead use your liberty but if it offend your brother then it is no longer a liberty but a stumblingblock.
     
     1Cor 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
     Gal 5:13 ¶ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from 2bLikeJesus in Balancing The Christian Life   
    This is in line with the Christian life and not a argument against drinking alcoholic beverages.
     
    The only Christians I have known that bring up the issues of Legalism almost always are the ones who have a conviction that it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages.
     
    This now brings my survey to 100% of those who think it is ok to drink alcohol as a Christian bring up issues of legalism.
     
    Most of the verse come from the OT concerning Israel not one of the Christians that feel it is ok to drink alcohol are Jewish.  But I will remind anyone as a Christian if they want to use the OT to justify their alcohol drinking. 
     
    We are told (Duet 29:6) that when Israel was in the wilderness 40 years they did not drink wine or strong drink.  We too as Christians, with the sacrifice of Christ upon us daily, and we have been brought out of Egypt (a type of world), and are in a wandering place not of this world but waiting for God to bring us into our new home in heaven.  Should we not like Israel in her wanderings not drink wine or strong drink?
     
    And we are told no longer to walk as the unsaved (the Gentiles) walk (Eph 4:17).  Even the unsaved doctors say it is ok to drink one glass of beer or wine daily for ones heart or health.  But again that is a way of the Gentiles we are not to walk in.
     
    While I agree that drunkenness is sin and not the drinking of alcohol but where does one draw the line?  For one a glass is already made them drunk and to another it may take five or six.  So where is the line drawn?
     
    I will give some examples as I am sure many here have witnessed.
     
    A Christian brother (a Baptist) who names the Lord walks into a restaurant that has a bar walked up to the bar and ordered a beer.  He believes he has the liberty to drink beer or wine.  He turns and sees another brother eating dinner with his family they don't exercise this same liberty as he.  He walks over to this other brother and his family and starts up a conversation about ministry and how it is going.  This brother and his family are deeply offended at this.  Not to mention the looks from the people who were not saved listening to this supposed born of the Spirit Christian drinking beer and bragging about his ministry.  His excuse was the day was tough and he was waiting for some repair on his vehicle and decided to relax and have a beer.  You see he needed the beer to help him with his tough day and attitude not God.
     
    Another Christian brother (a Baptist) who was teaching pastors in theology who felt we have the liberty to drink beer and string drink.  During his course of teaching these men also taught them it was ok and that they have the liberty to drink beer and strong drink as long as they did not get drunk.  One day he invited them (just the men) over to his home for dinner and gave them all a beer to drink.  He opened his and drank and soon after all of them were drinking beer.  Many of these pastors later backslid into drunkenness and their testimony and ministry was ruined.  All because of Christian Liberty.  BTW, this supposed Baptist came from a Roman Catholic Priesthood.
     
    And lastly,
     
    A Young girl under the drinking age limit was living in another Christian's home (a Baptist) and they drank wine sometimes three times a day with meals and before bed.  One time at the dinner table they mixed wine for them all to drink with dinner. This young girl refused to drink the wine mixture and they began to chide her.  Out of embarrassment she took a sip and immediately she was convicted it was wrong by the Holy Ghost and felt she lost her spirituality she had previously.  She left that very evening and went to her pastor and told her what took place and he helped her through her spiritual dilemma.  However once contacted the Brother who gave the wine to this under aged girl refused to come to talk to the pastor and left the church and went to attend another church.   the young girl and the pastor were both offended.
     
    I choose not to drink for I have the Holy Ghost and do not want to replace Him with another spirit.  why do you think they call alcoholic beverages spirits?
     
    Jesus warned those whom through offences come and that there need be of offences.
     
     Matt 18:7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
    Lu 17:1-3 ¶ Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!   It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
     Rom 14:21 [it is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
     Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
     
    The whole church is to mark these that cause offences whether to the saved or unsaved but so much more to the saved, and remove them from fellowship and avoid them and their offensive liberties.
     
    Moreover we do not see Paul ever drinking wine in the Bible and he should be our ensample/example we are told to mark and follow.
     
     Php 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
     2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     
    Being an ensample to others on chaste and charitable living is our duty that others may follow after our good ensamples.
     
    Go ahead use your liberty but if it offend your brother then it is no longer a liberty but a stumblingblock.
     
     1Cor 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
     Gal 5:13 ¶ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    This is in line with the Christian life and not a argument against drinking alcoholic beverages.
     
    The only Christians I have known that bring up the issues of Legalism almost always are the ones who have a conviction that it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages.
     
    This now brings my survey to 100% of those who think it is ok to drink alcohol as a Christian bring up issues of legalism.
     
    Most of the verse come from the OT concerning Israel not one of the Christians that feel it is ok to drink alcohol are Jewish.  But I will remind anyone as a Christian if they want to use the OT to justify their alcohol drinking. 
     
    We are told (Duet 29:6) that when Israel was in the wilderness 40 years they did not drink wine or strong drink.  We too as Christians, with the sacrifice of Christ upon us daily, and we have been brought out of Egypt (a type of world), and are in a wandering place not of this world but waiting for God to bring us into our new home in heaven.  Should we not like Israel in her wanderings not drink wine or strong drink?
     
    And we are told no longer to walk as the unsaved (the Gentiles) walk (Eph 4:17).  Even the unsaved doctors say it is ok to drink one glass of beer or wine daily for ones heart or health.  But again that is a way of the Gentiles we are not to walk in.
     
    While I agree that drunkenness is sin and not the drinking of alcohol but where does one draw the line?  For one a glass is already made them drunk and to another it may take five or six.  So where is the line drawn?
     
    I will give some examples as I am sure many here have witnessed.
     
    A Christian brother (a Baptist) who names the Lord walks into a restaurant that has a bar walked up to the bar and ordered a beer.  He believes he has the liberty to drink beer or wine.  He turns and sees another brother eating dinner with his family they don't exercise this same liberty as he.  He walks over to this other brother and his family and starts up a conversation about ministry and how it is going.  This brother and his family are deeply offended at this.  Not to mention the looks from the people who were not saved listening to this supposed born of the Spirit Christian drinking beer and bragging about his ministry.  His excuse was the day was tough and he was waiting for some repair on his vehicle and decided to relax and have a beer.  You see he needed the beer to help him with his tough day and attitude not God.
     
    Another Christian brother (a Baptist) who was teaching pastors in theology who felt we have the liberty to drink beer and string drink.  During his course of teaching these men also taught them it was ok and that they have the liberty to drink beer and strong drink as long as they did not get drunk.  One day he invited them (just the men) over to his home for dinner and gave them all a beer to drink.  He opened his and drank and soon after all of them were drinking beer.  Many of these pastors later backslid into drunkenness and their testimony and ministry was ruined.  All because of Christian Liberty.  BTW, this supposed Baptist came from a Roman Catholic Priesthood.
     
    And lastly,
     
    A Young girl under the drinking age limit was living in another Christian's home (a Baptist) and they drank wine sometimes three times a day with meals and before bed.  One time at the dinner table they mixed wine for them all to drink with dinner. This young girl refused to drink the wine mixture and they began to chide her.  Out of embarrassment she took a sip and immediately she was convicted it was wrong by the Holy Ghost and felt she lost her spirituality she had previously.  She left that very evening and went to her pastor and told her what took place and he helped her through her spiritual dilemma.  However once contacted the Brother who gave the wine to this under aged girl refused to come to talk to the pastor and left the church and went to attend another church.   the young girl and the pastor were both offended.
     
    I choose not to drink for I have the Holy Ghost and do not want to replace Him with another spirit.  why do you think they call alcoholic beverages spirits?
     
    Jesus warned those whom through offences come and that there need be of offences.
     
     Matt 18:7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
    Lu 17:1-3 ¶ Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!   It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
     Rom 14:21 [it is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
     Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
     
    The whole church is to mark these that cause offences whether to the saved or unsaved but so much more to the saved, and remove them from fellowship and avoid them and their offensive liberties.
     
    Moreover we do not see Paul ever drinking wine in the Bible and he should be our ensample/example we are told to mark and follow.
     
     Php 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
     2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     
    Being an ensample to others on chaste and charitable living is our duty that others may follow after our good ensamples.
     
    Go ahead use your liberty but if it offend your brother then it is no longer a liberty but a stumblingblock.
     
     1Cor 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
     Gal 5:13 ¶ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    I am sorry but it was brought up as a standard.  In order for me to understand why the example of alcohol I had to ask this pertinent question.
     
    So it was on topic of the post that I quoted.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from John81 in Disgusted With The Local Churches In Our Area   
    I find it fascinating that we separate the the Teens, Young adults from the Adults.  This is not Biblical to say the least but then some would argue the Bible is silent on it.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from John81 in Disgusted With The Local Churches In Our Area   
    There is no mandate from Paul in the church epistles to tithe, and these are the only two verses about giving that Paul spoke of.  Paul restated nine of ten commandments,  and never restated tithing as how to give.
     
    2Cor 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
     
    Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
     
    The tithe was part of the Commandments given for Israel and it was a commandment of which the Priest had a right to even forcefully take it.
     
    Now when I come to teaching on giving say in either of the two verses above, I will tell them if they have difficulty in "purposing in their heart" I will point to the OT example of a tithe.  But they can give any amount they choose and it can be 100% if they want.
     
    Now to answer your question.  I give according to what I have purposed in my heart and give it cheerfully.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Salyan in New Booklet Tract: So You Want To Practice “Good” Contemplative Prayer . . . What’S Wrong With That?   
    I will say this demonic/devil infiltration can affect believers.  While they cannot be possessed they can have their minds affected by devils misleading them in doctrines, feelings, thoughts and actions (practices and walk).  the devil lays snares out there and we are to give no place to him if we get involved with this mystical new age contemplative prayer we will give place to the devil willfully of which we are commanded not too.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in Was Melchizedek The Christ? By Standing Firm In Christ   
    I read through his teaching under his sermons and devotionals.  It is a great study. 
     
    I have always thought for many years (even before coming to and understanding of the AV as the preserved word of God) that Melchisedec was actually Shem, the one of the sons of Noah.  For he would have still been alive at that time.  It was amazing but Noah still could have been alive to hold baby Abram on his knee.
     
    Good Job on showing that Melchisedec was not a Christophony eh er Christophany.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    I personally would give them this verse and send them home to change immediately.
     
     1Ti 2:9 ¶ In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     
    a bikini is not modest apparel and it would reflect on the teaching of the pastors/teachers/elders
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    I did not know Carl was a new believer.  I apologize then as I was expecting more understanding from him as I assumed (my fault for doing so) that he was a seasoned believer.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Balancing The Christian Life   
    GraceSaved,
     
     “Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: ‘Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!’? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.”
     
    Could you please state which version this is?
     
    Not being a legalist or anything just wanting to know.
     
    Mine reads this way
     
    Col 2:20-23 (AV) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not;  Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?   Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
     
    you do know the "since you died" (past tense) and "If ye be dead"(present tense) are two differnt statements and mean two differnt things?
     
    Rudiments can and does represent basic principles but it has a broader meaning of basic elements, and also fundementals.  You can have a basic principle without it being fundemental.
     
    Subject can mean submit, but it to has a broader meaning Place under, situate under, under the power or dominion of another, to be exposed to, liable to.  While submit means to lower, sink down, lower down, to resign, to yield, and surrender. while submit could be used as a synonim of Subject it has some wholey different meanings and can change the context.
     
    Can you not see that the context of Col 2 is not about legalism at all.  Verse 16-23 are the conclusion of Paul to the previous statments starting at verse one.
     
    Did you not notice that the translation you quoted shortened Paul's question at do not touch?  and created a statement out of the rest of the question at doctrines of men? 
     
    I can see though reading this newer translation where you could get the idea of Col 2 being about legalism and after comparing the two sets of verses and the two chapters of the AV and the version you are using (assumiong it is NKJV) together I can see how the translation changes the context.
     
    Are you telling me you cannot read and understand the AV text as it stands?
     
    did you not read the doctinal statement of this site and agreed too them when you signed up?  Because you don't agree with the second one that is for sure.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from ASongOfDegrees in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - "falling Away" Or "departure"?   
    except here Luke 8:13  They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from HappyChristian in Can Christians Ever Use Violence? A Discussion With Preston Sprinkle (Part 1)   
    If someone comes into my home and starts to hurt anyone there I will fight back.  and If I am out and am attacked you know I will fight back to protect myself. So yes as long as I can live peaceably I will but if some one strikes me to kill or maim me there is no way to be at peace with them so yes violence can be used.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Can A Pastor Get Remarried If His Wife....   
    Candle, I don't think anyone including God would expect you to stay in a relationship that is abusive. 
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Can A Pastor Get Remarried If His Wife....   
    Candle, I don't think anyone including God would expect you to stay in a relationship that is abusive. 
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Ukulelemike in Considering The Texts - John 14:1-4   
    Who was Jesus Talking to directly at that point in time?
     
    Which Gospel was he preaching before the Cross?
     
     
    One of the false teachings of the SDA is that the Sabbath has been changed.  However it is Friday sundown to Saturday Sundown and as far as I know it still is.
     
    If what they are refering too is day of worship.  Out of the ten commandments that Paul restated for the church the only one he did not restate was sabbath observance nor did he give a command for its observance.  He did say this, Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
     
    The SDA have an active judgement of having the mark of the beast towards those who gather on Sunday for worship and of the eating of meats, therefore are in violation to this scripture as well as some others.  Those who teach we should abstain from eating meat are teaching a doctrine of a devil according to Paul, 1Tim 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;  ; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.   For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:  For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
     
    Now if I understand this correctly the SDA supposedly know the truth yet command in hypocrisy about the Sabbath and meat eating.  Not only that in order to know that there is no violation by the Jew of the Sabbath if we study out, there was to be no lighting a fire to cook (no turning on the stove, no going out of their tent door, If they went out on the Sabbath day in Jerusalem they were to go to the TEMPLE only.  There is no temple in Jerusalem today and the SDA assembly buildings are not the Temple today.  There is just so much wrong with SDA teaching and they like many wil go to the Greek to change the English text of the AV/KJB while claiming to be a KJB only believer.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from wretched in Av Bible Beleivers Check List Of Beliefs   
    1)   Believes that the AV in English Contains the Preserved words of God for this generation
     
    2)   Believes that the words in AV English are exactly what God meant for mankind
     
    3)   Believes that they can hold in their hands a BOOK (the AV) that contains ALL of the words of God
     
    4)   Believes that there are no problems with the text of the AV – some words or doctrines may be hard to understand, but there are no problems with the text
     
    5)   Believes that the AV in English is Without Error
     
    6)   Believes that the English words in the AV are Inspired
     
    7)   Believes the AV English can correct the underlying Greek or Hebrew
     
    8)   Believes that they don’t have to go to “the Greek” or “the Hebrew” to better understand the English
     
    9)   Believes that the AV has a built in Dictionary to Define the English words used in the AV text
     
    10) Believes that the AV has a divine built in cross-reference for establishing Bible Doctrine
     
    11) Believes the Scriptures when they say: “It is written” or “Thus saith the Lord”
     
    12) Believes they should use only AV terminology and words when establishing Bible Doctrine
     
    13) Believes ALL other Bibles in English today are inferior to the AV text
     
    14) Believes that no scripture is of private interpretation
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from wretched in Av Bible Beleivers Check List Of Beliefs   
    First you need to understand that there has never been found a KOINE Greek dictionary.  There are not enough documents in Koine Greek to establish one and the words that are avaiable translate differently.
     
    John Strong's Greek Dictionary is based on Classical Greek in most of the Greek words he numbers in his concordance.
     
    If there were errors in the copies of the original Greek or Hebrew God made sure we had the correct English words for this generation.
     
    so in conclusion
     
    1) We don't have any ORIGINAL Greek documents to compare too, we have only copies and we have no way to verify their accuracy to the original.  Same with the originals in Hebrew.
     
    2) Strong's Classical Greek meanings given to Koine words is disengenuos at best.
     
    3) If we beleive that the AV/KJB is inspired #6, then God gave us his interpretation of his words and their meanings he wanted us to have #2 and he gave us a built in dictionary in English for us to define the English words #9, then we could correct any undrelying Greek COPY or Hebrew COPY (there are no originals today they have all been lost).
     
    4) The English words God inspired and employed are broad in meaning just like the original Greek and Hebrew words were.  And as such  you can teach any English version pinpointed interpretation or meaning available today from the AV/KJB.
     
    rmstcb1611, great reply and I fully agree.
     
    I believe if you have to run to the Greek and Hebrew to correct the English then you realy don't beleive in a preserved text and you or scholars become the authority of God's word. And if anyone believes that the Koine Greek COPIES we have today are without error you have more faith than I. 
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Lousy Hymns   
    Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
     
    Isn't StephenCalling upon God, praying that the Lord Jesus receive his spirit?
     
    He is speaking to Jesus here.
     
    If this verse is accurate you can indeed pray to Jesus because he is one with God the Father and God the Holy Ghost.
     
    because John tells us these three are one 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
     
    So it is not dcotrinally wrong to pray to Jesus
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from heartstrings in Lousy Hymns   
    Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
     
    Isn't StephenCalling upon God, praying that the Lord Jesus receive his spirit?
     
    He is speaking to Jesus here.
     
    If this verse is accurate you can indeed pray to Jesus because he is one with God the Father and God the Holy Ghost.
     
    because John tells us these three are one 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
     
    So it is not dcotrinally wrong to pray to Jesus
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Galations 2:20 in Can A Pastor Get Remarried If His Wife....   
    what would we do with verses like this one:
     
    Mt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
     
    Is it only applicable to Israel?
     
    Someone above asked when a person was blameless.  Would this indicate when:
     
    Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
     
    I would agree that if she left him that there was something not right in their relationship.  But unless we know every detail of that relationship we could not make a correct judgement on it.  So without complete knowledge I would say the pastor should step down and submit to another leader for a time before being reinstated to a leadership possition of any kind.
     
    If we knew this man never neglected or abused his wife that may influence a judgement.  But then again if she had time to carry on with another then it would seem she was neglected.
     
    Pastors, be sure you don't neglect your families because of ministry.  This is the cause of things like this and in that case the Pastor is not blameless.  He needs to seek forgiveness from his wife and children for this neglect.
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