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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    It is too late I know your drinking and it has already offended and weakened me.
     
    So what are you and Jeffery going to do about?
     
    Obey God's word and stop drinking alcoholic beverages?
     
    Or
     
    Disobey God's word in in Romans 14 and continue in your liberty that offends and weakens me and others?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
     
    The AV Holy Bible is already interpreted for you all you need to do is study, rightly divide, and apply it. 
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to DaveW in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    But some are tending to dismiss arguments simply because it is poetry - that is wrong.

    I do appreciate your answers to this thought, I still have trouble with the line though, because I have seen plenty who say and think they can control it, but it is apparent to everyone else that they can't. (Unsaved people by the way so not a direct comparison).

    I don't really think there is a satisfactory answer to where to draw the line........

    For me, as a matter of my conscience and for my own safety, I would put that line at zero.
    I hope you can accept that as my personal line. I would hope that as you would not expect to have my line imposed upon you, that you would allow me to stand at my line.

    I will most likely leave the issue at this point.

    Thanks for this last interaction - I believe it has been both cordial ( bit of a pun there! ) and profitable.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    as I said, "This is how sophist reason using questions upon questions and never offer a clear answer."
     
    these questions gender strife and not edification and the person should be avoided.
     
     1Tim 6:4,5  He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
     2Tim 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
     Tit 3:9 ¶ But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from heartstrings in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    as I said, "This is how sophist reason using questions upon questions and never offer a clear answer."
     
    these questions gender strife and not edification and the person should be avoided.
     
     1Tim 6:4,5  He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
     2Tim 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
     Tit 3:9 ¶ But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Letter To The Editor: Saddened By Christian & Missionary Alliance And Ambrose University Continuing Plunge Into Contemplative   
    It is a shame that people seem to forget that prayer is a two part endeavor our speaking to Him and then us hearing from his word the Holy Bible. 
     
    Seems the word of God placed on the back burner for an experience to hearing an audible voice. 
     
    I mean who among us would not like a good thundering voice of God to speak out of the clouds to us? 
     
    But this not the way for Christians. 
     
    Ours is a life of separation, good living, godliness and a sound witness until our life is over or the Lord returns for us.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    Jeffery, If you take some one else's blessing and try to make it yours you will be in error.  It is like trying to claim the lottery though you don't have the winning ticket.  It will not benefit you one bit.  You want the blessing to drink alcoholic beverages saying it glorifies God.  But take God's word out of context to do so, this kind of conclusion does not glorify God.
     
    So are you as a Christian glorifying God when you drink Alcoholic Beverages?
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to Ukulelemike in Considering The Texts - John 14:1-4   
    Another simple reason why the Rich man and Lazarus cannot be a parable. Parable are always simple earthly stories, be it fishing, farming, weddings, daily living issues, all things the listeners could easily relate to, often by personal experience. However, in this, we see a great exception: a majority of it is something no one there could possibly related to: the after-life. And again, it is inconcieveable that Jesus would use something that doesn't exist to make a spiritual point of truth.
     
    So:
    1: Personal names given, never done in any other 'parabe'.
    2: Parables ALWAYS were sories made from an earthly, human perspective. This taes place, mostly, outside of earth and human perspective.
    3: Parable were always relatable by the listeners. An incident of the afterlife would not be.
    4: To use something that didn't exist to make a spiritual truth would be uncharacteristic of Jesus and would make Him a liar, using essentialy a 'boogey-man' argument to
         make people obey.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from LindaR in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    Jeffery, If you take some one else's blessing and try to make it yours you will be in error.  It is like trying to claim the lottery though you don't have the winning ticket.  It will not benefit you one bit.  You want the blessing to drink alcoholic beverages saying it glorifies God.  But take God's word out of context to do so, this kind of conclusion does not glorify God.
     
    So are you as a Christian glorifying God when you drink Alcoholic Beverages?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    Isa 55:1 is written to Israel not to the Christian today.  You failed to rightly divide scripture.
    John 2 has nothing to do with a blessing to the Body of Christ.  If the blessing was not made to the body of Christ it cannot be applied to the body of Christ.  You err not knowing the scriptures.
    Judges 19:13 are concerning Abimelech and it is an allegory as you know well the vine does not literally speak.  Again you fail to rightly divide and properly identify context using the verse out of context is a pretext and is an error.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    So are you as a Christian glorifying God when you are drinking Alcoholic Beverages?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Miss Daisy in In Defense Of Alcohol, God's Blessing To Man   
    Why would a Christian want to exercise their liberty to drink Alcoholic Beverages?
     
    What would be God's will on a Christian taking liberty to drink alcoholic beverages?
     
    Is someone who uses the liberty to drink alcoholic beverages stronger spiritually?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in Did Jesus Make Alcoholic Wine?   
    Is anyone who uses their liberty to drink alcoholic beverages do so as the Jews in Duet?
     
    Are any of you come to the temple in observance to the feasts?
     
    Why does a Christian want to drink alcoholic beverages anyway?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from MountainChristian in What Is Preaching?   
    As a reminder though I would like to mention that doing a topic with one verse is not a violation of teaching but it should not be the normal way.  I do them to get away from the systematic book by book chapter by Chapter and verse by verse study and teaching.  Sometimes it is one verse even in that way that a whole topic is developed because the topic is there in God's word.  And at other times it is sections of scriptures and others whole chapters.
     
    So don't get me wrong if they want to do single verse topical preaching that is ok but they will work a lot harder to develop them than going verse by verse through God's word.  ALL the topic they could ever come up with are in the text of the Bible, all plots to every book or movie you  have seen can be found in scriptures.  There is nothing new under the Sun.
     
    I see that a lot of this is done because pastors are no longer really studying God's word but are getting outlines of the Internet and a lot of those are single verse teachings.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Is It Wrong For A Christian To Be Cremated?   
    whether alive or dead he shall gather us together.  If the corruption shall put on incorruption is in reference to the body God can gather every ash and put it back together and make is incorruptible.
     
    Personal choice as to this issue I would say.
     
     1Cor 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
     
    Christians were burned and still are.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Galations 2:20 in Get Mad For Christ Is Not A Sin...   
    Philip 2:5-7  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    Philip 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    2Thess 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     
    I know the context of the above verses don't directly apply but the broader understanding of following the example of others is there.
     
    So when we read the scriptures though John the baptist alluded to him as one crying in the wilderness I don't think he ever yelled and screamed as they do today.  I don't think Jesus or Paul did either as I find no place where any of the apostles or disciples did.
     
    So why are men today screaming and yelling in the Pulpit?
     
    1Cor 14:37-40 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.  Let all things be done decently and in order.
     
    Does it seem to go against the commandment to do all things decently and in order.  Yelling and screaming is not a decent or an orderly activity would you not agree?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from paid4 in Fellowship   
    1Cor 5:9 ¶ I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
     10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
     11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
     12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
     13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
     
    2Thess 3:6 ¶ Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
     7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
     8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
     9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
     11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
     12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
     13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
     14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
     15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
    These verses state we are not to have Christian fellowship with a brother who is in sin, we are to put then away and not even to eat with them.  And we are told to not to have company with a man/woman if they do not OBEY the words Paul wrote in this epistle (need to re-read it and see what else is will put a person out of FELLOWSHIP). 
     
    Roms 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
     18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
     19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
     
    If they cause division or offenses contrary to sound doctrine we are to avoid them.  This is what has led to so may denominations, sects, groups and cliques in the body of Christ.  The same carnal activity Paul encountered in 1 Corinthians.
     
     
    2Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
     2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
     3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
     4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
     5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
     
    And  we are told to "turn away" from such (not of the world but in the church context of 1Tim 3 starts in chapter two).
     
    1Tim 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
     4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
     5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
     
    And lastly we are to withdrawl ourselves and support from a man who does not agree with the words of the scriptures and the doctrines laid down in the Bible (like Kent Hovind et al).  (You will notice that vs four fits well into 2Tim 3:1-5). How many of you will endure such teaching of the prosperity preachers (John Hagee et al) and fellowship with them via TV or Internet and buy their wares in opposition to the world of God.
     
    Conclusion our Fellowship is not to be done for the sake of fellowship. 
     
    The OP fails to recognize the pre-cross prayer for the Apostles (no matter how she might think it is one applicable to the body of Christ or not).
     
    True Christian Fellowship is to be on the Scripture, its truths and in following those truths.  Such as those things noted above.  How many times have we put people out of fellowship for sin?  How many times have we avoided people in the church and leader who are prideful or boastful.  How about those who are not obedient to their parents?  Or those who break an agreement with a believer?
     
    True Christian Fellowship requires that we follow the scriptures if not then our fellowship with God is injured as well.  When a man/woman is in disobedience to God's word and we allow them to remain in fellowship there is no true unity or one mind in Christ.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Fellowship   
    They also fellowshipped in schools, at lake and riversides, in religious buildings, in fields, on mountainsides etc etc etc....
     
    The Church is not a building  It is the body of Christ
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Invicta in Rapture   
    I often wonder why we end up using terms that are not in our Holy Bible to define our Bible Doctrines.
     
    1Thess 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
     14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
     15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
     16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
     17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord..
     
    and in 2Thess 2 it is called our gathering
     
    2Thess 2:1 ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
     
    the divine cross reference of the AV connects 1Thess 4 to 1Cor 15 with the word sleep and rise or raise. 1Cor 15 is a description of 1Thess 4:13-17.
     
    1Cor 15:51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
     52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
     53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
     54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
     55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
     57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
    We call our doctrine the Rapture, a Roman Catholic name but the scriptures call it "Our gathering unto him" the catching up of the saints into the clouds.  Is it flying?  No, it is a twinkling of an eye event which means one second here the next second there.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from John81 in Get Mad For Christ Is Not A Sin...   
    Philip 2:5-7  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    Philip 3:17 ¶ Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    2Thess 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
     
    I know the context of the above verses don't directly apply but the broader understanding of following the example of others is there.
     
    So when we read the scriptures though John the baptist alluded to him as one crying in the wilderness I don't think he ever yelled and screamed as they do today.  I don't think Jesus or Paul did either as I find no place where any of the apostles or disciples did.
     
    So why are men today screaming and yelling in the Pulpit?
     
    1Cor 14:37-40 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.  Let all things be done decently and in order.
     
    Does it seem to go against the commandment to do all things decently and in order.  Yelling and screaming is not a decent or an orderly activity would you not agree?
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Galations 2:20 in Sinless Perfection.   
    John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
    John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
     31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
     32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
     33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
    1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
     
    Well from these verses we see that the nature of Jesus Christ was the same as he had before he was born on earth.  It is not about what nature he took upon himself.  His divine nature has always been his nature.
     
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    AVBibleBeliever reacted to heartstrings in Does God Love Us For Who We Are Or For What We Do?   
    We know that He has valued us all so much, that He gave his best.
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16
     
    Even though we didn't deserve it
     But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.Romans 5"8
     
    Valued far more than the animals
    Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Matthew 10;31
      Doth God take care for oxen? 10 Or saith he[it] altogether for our sakes? 1 Corinthians 9;9-10
     
    But do we really know why?
    What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Psalm 8:4 
     
    I would say it is neither who we are nor anything we could ever do. Isn't it, instead, because of who He is? He created all things for His pleasure, but then He says it is His 'good pleasure' to give us the Kingdom,  and He says that He endured the cross for the JOY set before Him.  But then He says He wants OUR joy to be full. He's just the ultimate, selfless, giver. That's all I can say at this point.
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from candlelight in Rapture   
    me too
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    AVBibleBeliever got a reaction from Covenanter in Rapture   
    I often wonder why we end up using terms that are not in our Holy Bible to define our Bible Doctrines.
     
    1Thess 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
     14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
     15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
     16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
     17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord..
     
    and in 2Thess 2 it is called our gathering
     
    2Thess 2:1 ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
     
    the divine cross reference of the AV connects 1Thess 4 to 1Cor 15 with the word sleep and rise or raise. 1Cor 15 is a description of 1Thess 4:13-17.
     
    1Cor 15:51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
     52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
     53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
     54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
     55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
     56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
     57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
    We call our doctrine the Rapture, a Roman Catholic name but the scriptures call it "Our gathering unto him" the catching up of the saints into the clouds.  Is it flying?  No, it is a twinkling of an eye event which means one second here the next second there.
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