AVBibleBeliever

And I agree, with exception to your reference to Gen. 1:3-5, of course. Although verse one and two are the 'subject starter' of 3-5.  subject starter yes but actual time line no.  verse two is the actual time line starter.  Gen 1:1 is the forming of the earth and Gen1:2 is the starting point of the forming of the world in which we live currently.

So what is your reasoning with this answer?  From Everlasting is a time standard we do no relate too.  but the 24/7 is within our understanding because it was established on day one of the six days of the work of God.

Did I say anything contrary to your logic?

If I did, I don't see it.

Your view of Psalm 90:2, is interesting. But I don't see 2 creations here.  Two beginnings would be more like it not two creations. one from everlasting one at the six days of the work of God.

That's like saying 'the land of America', yet saying it's two different things. Land, and America.  No it is not the same as your analogy

That verse is just explaining the length of time that God has been Moses's God.  Moses was given Genesis by revelation from God

And the reference to "earth and the world" is just saying the original 'composition' [without form, and void] of earth before God separated it into 'all things', and after he separated it into 'all things' that we now see as the Earth.  "without from and void" can be determined by the Bibles uses of God's words as preserved for us The second and only other use of "without form and void" speaks of Jerusalem (more specifically the temple mount, once built and established then being without form and void when they were taken into captivity by babylon. To say that "without form and void" means that no previous form existed is not in alignment with the word of God in how he uses "without form and void" concerning Israel, Jerusalem.  Either We believe God has given us the meaning of his words in the book that contains all his words or we have to go to some other source to determine what He means.  I choose to believe God's definition over any contrived meaning by men.

Sorry AVBB, but time began at verse 1,... Not verse 3.

In the beginning, god created the Heaven and the Earth.

Exodus 20:11 tells us the Earth was made in the six-day time frame.

Eternity is the begining it is from everlasting.  From everlasting to everlasting is the time quantum of God, however the 24/7 according to scriptures, God's words on this, is that he established the 24/7 on the first day of his six day work.  Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen,

God established the 24/7 time encapsulation for man in Genesis 1:3-5.  and then placed it in a firmament to which that time works well for man after his creation.  God created the 24/7 before he set the sun and moon in revolution around the earth.  

Anytime existence before that is known in scriptures as eternity, eternal, from everlasting to everlasting.   It is said that the high and lofty one inhabits eternity that means from beginning to end (hence the alpha and Omega identification in scriptures) of it this is why he is eternal and why he can be everywhere and know all things.  That is because he is the almighty God.

Both David and Peter say a day is as of a thousand years.  they both speak from within the 24/7 time quantum to express something they did not understand at that time in their earthly existence, which is eternity.

I do not deny the existence of a time quantum before the 24/7.  But our current time quantum of the 24/7 was established in Gen 1:3-5 on day one of God's six days of work.  god's time quantum is from everlasting to everlasting.

You will notice in the scripture below, preserved for us in Gods word that the Earth and the World were two separate creations.

 Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

who is Peter preaching too?

For a hint see the underlined

Ac 2:5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.  Jews from every country
 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
 10  Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
 13  Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
 14 ¶ But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea (Jews), and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Peter continues by quoting a Jew named David
 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
 37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Is this the Gospel which Paul preached? I thro not.
 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children( the promises are to the Jews), and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.  Is this the gospel of of Grace taught by Paul?
 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.  3000 Jews according to the context.

Who is Peter talking too?

Ac 3:1 ¶ Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
 2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
 3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
 4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
 5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
 6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
 7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
 8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God:  Who are the people in the temple?  Only Jews are allowed in the temple.

 10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.
 11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.
 12 ¶ And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel (These spoken too are Jews), why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of JacOB, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
 14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
 15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
 17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come (when is the times of refreshing? and why is it their sins wont be blotted out until then, but mine sins are already blotted out?) from the presence of the Lord;  Is this the gospel of Taught by Paul that you and I believed?
 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:  what exactly is being preached about Jesus and who preached it?
 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things (when is the restitution of all things?), which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. who are the fathers, the brethren and you?  These are Jews of course.
 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
 24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.  who are the children of the prophets, and the fathers?  Jews again
 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.  Is anyone saved by turning away from their iniquities?

again who is Peter speaking too?

Ac 4:1 ¶ And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, They were in the temple preaching and the captains and the saddcees (who don't beleive in the ressurrection) heard them.  Jews are being spoken too again.
 2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.  the people are Jews OBviously.
 3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.
 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.  them are the Jews who heard.  and what was the word they believed on?  It was not the Gospel Paul preached or what you as Independent Baptist believed?  it is a gospel of their resurrected king and messiah, the Christ, coming for his kingdom to which they are encouraged to not only beleive (like we are today) but to repent, be baptised, that in the coming of the Lord they will receive the blotting out (forgiveness of their sins) unlike you and I who HAVE NOW the forgiveness of our sins Eph 1:7, and we needed not to repent of our iniquities but only that we turn to God the repentance Paul taught when he said in Act 17:30 and 26:20.

Again and again we see at the time just after Christ Ascension the church is a solely Jewish one either by birth (why one must be born again) or Gentile by conversion to which afterwards they are considered a JEW if in fact there were any Gentiles at Peters preaching in the temple.  My point is you must identify which church to know that the church Peter preached to was of the circumcision and God added to it many Jews and Jewish converts.

So we must ask, Which Gospel is being preached?  remember we have not heard Peter say once that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS which Paul said was the gospel he got from Chris himself.

It would seem that it was that Christ was of the line of David and is their King, their messiah.  this is what was being preached it is what was earlier preached by Peter the eleven and the 70/72 during Christ earthly ministry.  and this belief was paramount to the coming kingdom had the leadership of the Jews not rejected God the Holy Ghost in Acts 5. We see three times in the Scriptures that the Jews, represented by their leadership, rejected God the father in the OT, God the Son in the Gospels and God the Holy Ghost in Acts 5.

OBservation goes a long way in determining who, what, why, when, where, which and how, these are the tools for understanding the preserved interpretation of God's words as found in the Authorized Version. All scriptures is for our learning but not all for our current church doctrine, which church is as important as which Gospel.

Ok, now we have some info at our fingertips the church here of baptized believers first of the Gospel preached by John the baptist and some being baptized by John known as the baptist.  which church was john the baptist baptizing?  A Jewish church it would seem and the early church that peter continued could be called a baptist church.  but the gospel is not the gospel of the baptist church today.  So there is no way anyone could claim that their lines go back to John the baptist because they are teaching a different Gospel than John the baptist, Jesus Christ and Peter.

Hence no baptist church today can claim John the baptist is of their line and that they are the TRUE church because they are preaching two different gospels.

hence what is going on in this thread is nothing more than the carnality of men striving to say I am of one group over another.

1Cor 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Cor 3:1 ¶ And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

It means, unfilled and unformed-it seems to have been a mass of water, and even science is figuring out that there was water on earth before anything else, or at least, that it was older than the sun-their numbers are waaay off, but they are esentially correct, since the water was first, and the sun on, what, day four.

I do not believe the earth is millions of years old.  I believe it is no more than and equality of one day or a thousand years older than Gen. 1:2.

Having said that the quote above says, "science is figuring our that there was water on earth before  anything else."  According to Gen 1:2 water was on the earth before the six day work of God in the beginning of this current world and the creation of man.

However Science does not believe there was water on the earth in the beginning.  They believe a comet brought building blocks of life and water to the earth.

here is a quote from the recent failed comet landing prOBe scientist, "One of the things they are most excited about is the possibility that the mission might help confirm that comets brought the building blocks of life — organic matter and water — to Earth.

Again, I believe God's preserved word is true no matter what ANY man, saved or unsaved says, if Proverbs 8 is giving us a correct chronological view from everlasting about the exaltation of the wisdom of God (Jesus being that wisdom), Earth, the depth, the fountains of water, then there was no water on the earth when God first created it.  Sometime between the creation of the earth and Gen1:2, which would be between 1 day and a thousand years, iniquity was found in Lucifer and God judged that iniquity by allowing the waters to break forth from its ordained place and flood the earth not killing anything but destroying the throne Lucifer was trying to exalt above God.  Thereby bringing sin and darkness into the depths of God's heaven.

God solved the resulting darkness by calling for light, establishing the 24 hour time calculus on day one, and stop the darkness from expanding into his holy heaven by placing a firmament around the darkness encapsulating the waters below from those above on the second day.  Once done he could move on into his will for this earth which ultimately is for the exaltation of Jesus Christ and the establishment of his throne forever (see Revelation 21-22).

No death before Adams sin, no pre-Adamic life, all fossil records are from the flood of Noah, no dust on the moon from billions or millions of years, no deep sediments on the ocean floors from billions or millions of years of erosion. 

people often over look chronological order of events preserved in the word of God, Alaska.

Um... why? There's a whole lot of land that doesn't get tilled in the world, but it still needs water. It's only planted crops that require tilling.

Contextually, the verse says that the Lord 'had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." I think this is just two unrelated factual statements. If the first was because of the second, then grammatically the conjunctive 'for' should have been used. As it was not, I don't think we can pull a doctrine out of this verse that is (a) not mentioned and would ( require a complete reorganization of the hydrological cycle (which would be a significant natural event that is also not mentioned).  

I didn't have a clear opinion before as to whether or not it rained before the flood, but now that I think about the physical ramifications of such a hydrological change, I think I am now of the opinion that, as far as we are told, it must not have rained before the flood. 

you will notice that the word man is singular.  a single man could not OBviously till the whole eartth, but he could till the earth locally.  Remember that earth as a planet is not the same as earth the ground which is what God is talking about.  what we have here is God telling us that until he made a man to till the earth the earth was misted that is all it says.  Once man was created and began to multiply then God allowed it to rain.  We know that Adam, Cain and others since them have tilled the earth before the flood.

Rain was not unusual for them but raining for 40 days straight was, and it would be today. I don't think God would have revealed this scripture for us to assume there was no rain for almost 1000 years until the flood.

Seems pretty plain to me.  Why you ask?  because God said it.

 

Ge 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

 

(Emphasis Mine)

 

So you either believe the account that God gave us by His inspired word, or you don't and need to inject your own human reasoning. I do believe that the Biblical chronology would prove that Gen.2:5 was before the flood.  eh???

in context is does say, and there was not a man to till the ground.  but after there was a man to till the ground then it is only logical that it rained.

You can see through ice, especially if God wants you too.  The verse that comes to mind said something about separating the waters from the waters and putting a firmament between them.

the firmament is not an ice shield it is what hold the darkness and separates us from God and his abode.

Well, I don't live in India, and I don't like nose rings.    That said, if the waitress has one and gives me good service she'll get a nice tip.  Even if she doesn't give good service, she would get a decent tip because we then leave a tract - and we aren't going to stiff a tip and leave a tract at the same time.  Bad witness, that!

 

My biggest pet peeve?  The fact that I don't have one. I want a dog so badly.  A beagle pup.  That I can name Liberty.  Yes, then I wouldn't have a peeve anymore, I would have a pet. 

oh my, if only I knew, someone offered us one for free.  Our landlord wont let us have one.  Plus I hate getting attached and then having it get hit or die on you can be emotional.

No I did not. Sorry.

God has been working on all those areas of my flesh and now I just grin and bear it.

the Lord Knows the other persons, sinfulness, weaknesses and no good ways, there is no need for me to let it bother my spirit.

People ask "How are you today?"

We all know they really don't care how you are it is just that it is a politity (a term of politeness),  If we told them exactly how we are doing that day they would think, "boy, what a wretched loser."

Often I will say, "Just because the worlds in chaos it doesn't mean I can't be happy"  I say it smiling.

When I can no longer handle a person and their actions I like most of you just avoid them.

BTW, those of you who can't handle a nose ring.  Don't go to India many of the restaurants waitresses have nose rings or chains.  A majority of women have nose rings there.

Are we saved by recognizing we are sinners?

or

Are we saved by faith alone on the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection of Christ?

I guess its just me and having been so "sheltered" from all this sort of stuff from spending so much of my Christian life in remote Alaska. But I see people all over this board that OBviousley listen to and watch radio and TV preachers.

 

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would feel the need to watch or listen to these men if they are members of a Bible believing Independent Baptist Church. Are they not getting all they need from their own church?

 

Why wade through all the different teachings of these men when we supposedly have the Spirit led truth in our local churches?

 

For my part, I never have and never will listen to or watch media preachers. I guess I really am a local church guy, but I don't make any apologies for it

I don't have any cable to watch TV.  If I turn it on it is all static not even a local station comes up.  It was the same way overseas in the missionfield no Cable and no local stations.  I spent more hours in the word of God than anything else.

It takes "detective work" with the help of the Holy Spirit to uncover a lot of truth that is in the Scriptures.

How many times have I seen folks just "gloss over" a truth as if it wasn't even there.

Being creatures of habit, many often just "parrot" what they have heard others say.

 

The Bereans were more nOBle than the Thessalonians because they diligently searched the Scriptures.

Boy, if that isn't the truth.

I have met more parrots than eagles when it come to the word of God.

Well, then I must come to the conclusion that some of you think it is wrong to ask questions about what the Bible is not clear on.  And that some of you feel that everything covering 'from everlasting unto everlasting' is recorded in the Bible.

I wish it was so but it is not true.

Like I said if you think from everlasting goes back only to Genesis 1:3-31 six day creation then you have already set a time to what From everlasting is.

But if you think in goes back further then you have not attributed any time measurement to it and that leaves open enough room for the things that the OP states to have happened. 

How far is up?    How far is down?  

it was a Serious Question.  you either think "from everlasting goes back to the beginning of the six day work of God Gen1:3-31.  or it goes back before Genesis 1:1. 

What we can tell his throne, his person are from everlasting. 

Now when I asked how would you as a man attribute a length of time to be for "From Everlasting"

Or , maybe, Heaven had a visitor from Time, who was commissioned to describe some things that are hard for us to comprehend...

In Addition to Prophets, remarks above,  the word "about" is key in understanding that the one seeing the revelation, a man, is the attributing or guessing a time to how long he experienced the silence.  This does not mean heaven us under any type of time quantum (measurements).  Time only works here on this planet.  Even the scientist and sci-fi writers know that.

How far back does "from everlasting" go?

In Genesis God gives us an account of creation.  We have all we need to know in that.  We don't have to go beyond what is written, but just believe.

Well God's word does not tell us when the Cherubim, Seraphim and Angels were created or made.

There is no harm in wondering why there was a flood in verse two of Genesis one.

I have all I need for life and godliness in the word of God.  But the word of God is not a complete history of all things that are found in the third heaven.  Like when did he create his chariot wheeled throne seen in Ezk 1 and 10?

God's word does say, seek and ye shall find.  No harm in that.

Because all of God's abode, now known as the third heaven, was  in light and there was no darkness at all in it until the judgement of Lucifer and his angels between verse 1 and verse 2.  Then came the Darkness (I believe the Judgement of God on Lucifer), and the Spirit of God (God the Holy Ghost) moved over the waters (vs 2).  He (God the Father) called for light (God the Son) upon that arrangement as the darkness already followed the light that was in God's abode, evening which is called the Night was now the first phase of 24 hour day and Day would follow in sequence ON THE EARTH.

God's Glory (Light) shined forth over all his abode (vs1), God's judgement (Darkness vs 2), God's grace (calling for light vs 3).  This day cycle was set but would be carried on once the sun, moon and stars were made in Verse 14.

First day upon this earth in Gen 1:3-5 not one person has argued that.

The phrase contained in Gen 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

"The evening and the morning" is a Hebrew mechanism which indicates roughly "In the space of the day".
The inclusion of such a phrase at the end of the description for each day - including this first day - means that each day should thus be considered alike.

It's not really all that difficult to understand - no verbal gymnastics required.

Do you know why evening is mentioned first?

"when there was only God"  who is from everlasting unto everlasting, and 1John 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.  I can't believe he created anything in darkness or that Darkness exists in the Third heaven because just like the New Jerusalem with the new heaven one earth in rev 21 there is no darkness because the glory of God is the light of the third heaven. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

I believe the there is not darkness in the third heaven and there never was any darkness until Lucifer was allowed to be tested and upon his fall judgement went forth and Darkness came from that judgement.  What we see by God's word through Cross references is that when we come to verse 2 of Genesis chapter 1 that darkness was the result of the judgement upon Lucifer and the angels that followed him.

No argument on my part, it is just my Belief and I do not insist you agree.  However you and Dave have been very adamant that I believe the way you do.  This is an non-essential issue upon which we are not required to lose fellowship over.  

try not arguing so much.

The First day's activities are found in Genesis 1:3-5 before there was light there was no day.  he called for light because there was none.  Verse two said. darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Gen 1:3-4 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.   And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.   And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God started no other work until light and the the 24 hour division or time quantum (measurement) was established.  Day roughly 12 hours and Night roughly 12 hours this made up the first day.  Then each days activities are listed out according to Genesis 1:3-31.

Now did God need the 24 hour day to complete each stages of the things he made and created?

No

He listed days for us to comprehend because man knows no other time measurement outside the 24/7 condition.