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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Way Of Life - On Doubting Salvation And Struggling With The Christian Life   
    I Feel sorry for the abuse she had to endure but she never stops mentioning it and wonder if she is truly past it.  I think she's mingled in with the prosperity teachers so I steer clear of that.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from EKSmith in "god Told Me To Tell You."   
    God speaks to us in different ways.  Just to name a few...
     
    Generally through the Word.
     
    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
     
    Through our conscience.
     
    1 Timothy 1:5  Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.
     
    Through the Holy Spirit.
     
    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
     
    Through counsel and advice of other Godly people.
     
    Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
     
    Ephesians 2:18 tells us that we have access to God.  "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father."
     
    From what you wrote, your girlfriend is close with this person.  That person probably loves and wants to protect her.  But....ask your girlfriend to consider going to God directly, on her own, with much prayer and direction from scripture.  
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    Left the Bldg reacted to PastorMatt in A Look Back At 2013   
    Here are the stats from 2013. Another year has passed and Online Baptist is as strong as ever.
     
    326 New Members / -70 From Last Year.
    3,026 New Topics Started / +916 From Last Year
    38,425 Post Made / +8,158 From Last Year
    560,670 Topics Read / +142,346 From Last Year
     
    As you can see, with the exception of New Members, we exceeded last year. I'm blaming that on better spam method we are using now compared to last year.
     
     
    Thank you everyone. You all make this site possible.
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    Left the Bldg reacted to DaveW in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    Hmmmm - I'm not certain, but I think he is saying that some people display a "holier than thou attitude".

    It can sometimes be hard to tell exactly what someone means, but it can help if you read what they actually write.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from John81 in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    Christians can use scripture to correct for instruction and doctrine but there is a proper way and the reason for this thread. Instruct, don't argue.  Correct, don't criticize.  I am including myself as I have allowed myself to argue.  The person doing the correcting needs to remember their own shortcomings.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from OLD fashioned preacher in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    I was corrected regarding the KJV.  Steve Schwenke lovingly shared scripture and respectfully asked me to consider.  I could tell he really cared and now I am a KJV believer.  I will share with others in the same way he shared with me. 
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from wretched in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    Neither will gluttons but it doesn't stop some Christians from inhaling big macs, donuts or any other harmful fatty, high cholesterol and chemically induced foods that can cause obesity and potentially clog arteries and cause certain forms of cancers.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from wretched in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    I want to be clear as to my intentions for posting this thread.  It is not because of what happened in one particular thread or between particular people but multiple threads and multiple people I have been involved with and in and some I have not.  In the short time I've been on this forum, several threads had to be locked.  I think we all need this post as a reminder that we are having discussions with other brothers and sisters and we should treat them as such.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from wretched in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    I agree.  People have stood by the "correcting, refuting, rebuking" scripture to justify proving themselves right rather than trying to help someone.  
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    Left the Bldg reacted to DaveW in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    1 Corinthians 13

     1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

    This is the beginning of the chapter on love.

    This verse begins with a picture that shows the importance of love in our speaking.

    The sounding brass was a harsh bell type sound which was used in the markets to get attention.
    The tinkling cymbal was a similar type thing.
    The analogy is that of someone tyring to get attention for their "special deal".
    It is like in a Public mall when a shop has a loudspeaker set up and a guy calling out trying to get people to come into the shop - for the majority of people it actually drives them to the other side of the mall.
    It doesn't matter if it is a good deal - most people don't like the clashing sound of the messenger and so the information becomes useless.

    It actually doesn't matter if the information is good - if it is not given in a spirit of love it sounds like a sounding brass to the hearer.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from allen32 in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    I was corrected regarding the KJV.  Steve Schwenke lovingly shared scripture and respectfully asked me to consider.  I could tell he really cared and now I am a KJV believer.  I will share with others in the same way he shared with me. 
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from HappyChristian in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    I was corrected regarding the KJV.  Steve Schwenke lovingly shared scripture and respectfully asked me to consider.  I could tell he really cared and now I am a KJV believer.  I will share with others in the same way he shared with me. 
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    Left the Bldg reacted to Bro K in When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?   
    All depends on HOW the scriptures is point out!! I still believe that the Pastor is in the best position to do this.
    There are several factors one must consider: How well do you know the individual: How grounded are they in the Word: Are they easy influenced: Are they easy offended: What is their opinion of you?:  Does the Pastor have guidelines in place on how to handle different situations? etc
    Pointing out scripture and correcting at the same time can easily cause resentment.
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    Left the Bldg reacted to Arbo in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    And here's me thinking that the Marriage Supper of the Lamb was a banquet...
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from candlelight in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    Stop saying I'm promoting.  Where did I say that in any of my posts?
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from candlelight in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    Arbo.  You're right.  What infuriates me at this point in the discussion is not even about alcohol...whether one can drink or not or if it's fermented or unfermented.  Now it's the defamation of character.  Now I'm a bad witness because I choose not to judge anyone in whichever stance they take.  Since I've been on this forum for only about 3 months I've been told I'm not separated from the world or sacrificing to Christ...now I'm a bad witness and stumbling block.  Shame, shame, shame on those people for hiding behind scripture to refute and rebuke for their own self righteousness.   
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from Jeffrey in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    Neither will gluttons but it doesn't stop some Christians from inhaling big macs, donuts or any other harmful fatty, high cholesterol and chemically induced foods that can cause obesity and potentially clog arteries and cause certain forms of cancers.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from MountainChristian in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    Neither will gluttons but it doesn't stop some Christians from inhaling big macs, donuts or any other harmful fatty, high cholesterol and chemically induced foods that can cause obesity and potentially clog arteries and cause certain forms of cancers.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from AlexdlT1611 in Alcohol: A Biblical Case For Abstinance   
    I don't think I'd go that far...otherwise Noah would have been lost.
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    Left the Bldg reacted to John81 in Biblical Separation   
    How are those forms of music fads when some of it's been around longer than we've been alive? A fad is typically short lived, and then folks move on to the next fad. Also, CCM covers much more than just those styles and yet they all get lumped together.
     
    Some of our favorite hymns used the popular musical styles of their day, with some even using already in use popular tunes. As was point out previously, there is nothing new under the sun.
     
    The only thing on my t-shirts is a pocket. If a shirt has words or images, one should be discerning with regards to whether they are appropriate or not. The same with music, what are they singing?
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    Left the Bldg reacted to John81 in Biblical Separation   
    Unless one wants to take an Amish or strict Muslim approach to matters there is no way our clothes, music, housing, work, etc., are going to be so separated from the world that it stands out as "clearly different from the things of the world".
     
    My modest clothes are virtually the same as most other men in the area, whether saved or lost. My house, car, the places I shop, eat, the doctors and dentists we see, the services we use, the devices we use, and on and on.
     
    Are we to drop all these things because the world uses the same or is it possible that it's what something is being used for that makes things worldly or Christian, not the thing itself?
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    Left the Bldg reacted to John81 in Biblical Separation   
    Much of what we call "old fashioned religion" isn't all that old at all and at one time was something "new".
     
    Most of the hymns in our hymnals are actually "new", having been written mostly within the past hundred or two hundred years; which means for the nearly 2,000 years of Christianity before them music was different. When we read the history of our hymns there came a point, in the latter 1800s if I remember correctly, that the music style took a dramatic change from previous hymns. Some denounced this, some embraced it, now they are in our hymnals.
     
    The music Moody used as he travelled about was "modern" and "new", something which most conservative churches of the time denounced as worldly, and yet today much of that is in our hymnals and our musical styles have progressed even beyond what Moody used.
     
    Many would rather ignore it, but there is differences among people when it comes to preference, culture and such that does affect aspects regarding music. I've heard white Baptist pastors say certain music is okay for the black Baptists down the street but it's not right in a white Baptist church. Why?
     
    One problem many Western Christians have brought about around the world has been their attempt to force those in other countries, such as in Africa, India and such, to adopt their approved Western style music while calling all the locals musical styles evil. This is one of the reasons Christianity has long been viewed as a "white mans religion" and a propaganda tool of the West.
     
    What is there under the sun that one can't find a worldly connection with? Even our Bible is used by the world, sometimes in very evil ways. Whatever form of music we are using, there is a worldly counterpart. Whatever modern things we have in our churches, they have worldly connections.
     
    Myself, I like the actually no-so-old hymns like Amazing Grace, It Is Well With My Soul, When The Roll Is Called Up Yonder, and such. Why? Much of it has to do with growing up with such, preference.
     
    Do I want to attend church with a rocking style band? No. Neither do I want to attend one with an orchestra. I don't particularly want to attend a church with a big choir either. To one extent or another, we can find all these in Baptist churches today. My preference is more on the quiet side and congregational singing.
     
    When it comes to music, I know what draws me closer to the Lord, what helps me worship and praise Him. While I might not understand their choices, I don't give a lot of time to thinking about what other Christians listen to, or don't.
     
    Depending upon what part of the world they are from, white Christians will offer a plethora of views on music. The same is true for black Christians, which I've noticed vast differences between where they live in the States, or what part of Africa they live in. Indians, Koreans and others have differing takes on music. The music Jews used in Bible times is much different than we use today. Even what is called traditional Jewish music today is very much different than what we use.
     
    Local churches can determine their musical stance and we can choose whether we want to attend a particular local church or not. Within our own local church we can, and should, be involved in things regarding music just as we can, and should, with regards to other matters within our local church.
     
    Far too much attention is drawn to this matter because we are constantly looking at what this or that church is doing. Well, a local Baptist church has a female associate pastor, which is clearly (to me anyway) unbiblical, and I would have nothing to do with that church, but I'm not going to focus upon that and keep raising the issue over and over again. I'm going to focus upon the Lord and how I can serve the Lord through my home church and how we can keep our home church on the straight and narrow for Christ.
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    Left the Bldg reacted to Kitagrl in Divorce, Remarriage And Repentance?   
    I think it is a good question. We have had to figure that one out too. It kind of boils down to, is remarriage a single act of adultery, or is it a continuous act? For one thing, once a person is married, would God want yet another divorce? We know the answer is no. So that means you should remain as you are. Which makes me think its a one-time adultery Are divorced/remarried people supposed to be church disciplined? No...which means, again, its probably a one-time adultery.

    Actually my feeling is that God understands it much better than we do. We feel that divorce and remarriage is the modern day equivalent of polygamy. God sees each marriage as "marriage". God said not to multiply wives...every time in the OT when a man had several wives, he also had several problems! Nothing good ever came from multiple wives. God did allow it, but did not bless it. In the NT, He commands us to stay with our spouse...and says pastors and deacons should not be divorced...husband of ONE wife....and if its true that divorce/remarriage is similar to polygamy in God's eyes, then that furthers the idea of a pastor or deacon not being divorced. On the other hand (and the good news) is that if divorce/remarriage is similar to polygamy in God's eyes, then He can still use people like this! Obviously people who have been divorced and remarried have their own sets of problems...generally child support and custody issues, sometimes nasty ex's....and other issues. It kind of brings about its own "punishment" if you will, just like any other poor life decisions.

    However I do not believe God looks on a remarried person as living in sin. I believe its more like...well...you shouldn't have remarried. But now you did. So now you need to go on from here and do the right thing and serve God. Be repentant for not seeking God in your life decisions....but repenting doesn't mean breaking yet another marriage that God now sees you in.

    Hope that makes sense! It doesn't really mean "Oh its just one sin, I can get remarried"....on the other hand...God used many polygamists...they just received the "fruit" of their decisions in some pretty miserable ways. And God's only punishment is that you can't be a pastor or deacon.

    Homosexuality on the other hand is considered an abomination to God and something that only people basically given over to the devil do. I know that's horrible to have to say, but its in the Bible. Marriage is natural...homosexuality is definitely NOT natural.
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    Left the Bldg got a reaction from Miss Daisy in Running Into Some Pelegians And Holiness/pentecostal Types   
    I would hope he preached that to drive home the point that you cannot lose salvation and not actually be teaching that a Christian should go out and do those things.  King David committed murder and adultery but did not lose his salvation but he did pay a heavy price for his actions.  There are consequences to our actions.  However, loss of salvation is not one of the consequences.
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    Left the Bldg reacted to Salyan in Running Into Some Pelegians And Holiness/pentecostal Types   
    If the Nazarenes believe, as I'm understanding from your posts , that one has to not fall prey to sins (or certain sins?) after salvation in order to remain saved, then that is indeed a works salvation. It is faith + not sinning that ultimately gets them into heaven.

    People seem to get all distracted in this issue. They focus on these egregious sins instead of focusing on Christ and His work. Jesus says that no man is able to pluck us out of His hand. No man means no man. Not even yourself.
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