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  1. I am sure someone here knows of something similar.
    I have it in a book by Kieth Piper (no relation to.....) Called Answers.
    It is a comprehensive doctrine book which is pretty good. Baptist guy here in Aust.
    You can order the book on line.

    As with all, I don't agree with him 100% on everything but it is pretty good.

    Website:
    http://answers.libertybaptistchurch.org.au/

    Just curious, what don't you agree with in this book? 

  2. Laura, thank you so much for asking the questions, and looking up these verses!  And thank you for being open and honest in your search for the truth!!!

     

    If I can be of more help, please let me know - just send me a PM or something.

     

    In Christ,

    Thank you too for taking the time and patience.  I would like to add you to my friends list, if you don't mind.  We never stop learning and I'm always looking for the truth.

  3. Luke 4:4

     

    KJV  And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

     

    NIV  Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’[a]Footnote Deut. 8:3

     

    I see they omitted "but by every word of God"...but that's the reason for the footnote which says... He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

  4. Laura,

    NIV says "He appeared in the flesh..."

    KJV says "God was manifest in the flesh..."

     

    It is a significant change, and the KJV has it right.  If you do the homework behind the translation, the verse was consistently translated in line with the KJV up until the days of Westcott and Hort.  They invented a problem, and insisted that it said "he" despite all claims from all previous commentators who had studied the manuscripts. 

     

    Now, you might say that the context makes it apparent that the "he" in the NIV refers to Jesus Christ, and I won't argue with you on that.  The problem is that the KJV does not say "Jesus Christ" was manifest in the flesh, but that GOD was manifest in the flesh, making Jesus Christ equal with God. 

    I have had many conversations with the JW's over the years, and they can generally weasel their way out of many passages in the gospel of John (John 10:30 for instance), but I have NEVER heard any JW give any reasonable explanation for the KJV rendering of I Timothy 3:16.  They cannot refute it. 

     

    So, I will take the KJV over the NIV any day of the week because it consistently promotes the deity of Christ, and in this passage makes the case so clearly that those who believe Jesus Christ is NOT JEHOVAH cannot answer this verse. 

     

    I hope you understand what I am attempting to communicate here....again, not argumentatively, just trying to help....

     

    In Christ,

    When I read "he appeared in the flesh" I understand it to mean God appeared in the flesh in the form of Jesus.  The reason I get that is from the first sentence  Beyond all question, the mystery from which "true godliness" springs is great.  I will look up another scripture you gave me to compare.  Thanks. 

  5. Am I a Christian?  Yes, and I am not ashamed of that label, and use it frequently when witnessing.  At the same time, it was our ENEMIES who gave us the name "Baptist" as a derogatory term, just as the term "Christian" was a derogatory term to the early followers of Christ.

    I associate myself, and gladly take the name "Baptist" because history shows that it was the Baptists who most closely adhered to the Bible and Bible Doctrine.  Yes, today, as we move closer and closer to the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, there is much apostacy in the Baptist ranks...but there are still many who remain faithful and true to the word of God. 

    I might occasionally find a "Bible" church that is very sound on there doctrine, but not on their practice (i.e. allowing rock music, and generally unseparated, etc.)

    I might occasionally find a "Bible" church that is straight all the way across the board - KJV, separation

    But these are by far the exceptions.  Everywhere I have lived, the ones who are closest to the truth are the independent Baptists. 

    If we were to identify the local churches across the country that are closest to the truth in doctrine AND practice, the overwhelming majority of those churches would be Baptist churches, and a few scattered "Bible" churches and maybe even a few "non-denominational" churches mixed in.

    That is why I (gladly) continue using that name (among other reasons.) 

    So it IS important to know where we came from, and understanding our history, and why we are what we are.

     

    It does not mean that ALL IFB churches are right....but that are much closer than your average unseparated, non-KJV non-denominational church or "Bible" church is.  I would rather put up with some of the nonsense of the IFB's than the leaven of false doctrine from the others.

     

    Laura, as far as the KJV, I think there is plenty on here about it, and it should be enough to convince you that it IS GOd's perfect word without error.  If you have not noticed any "discrepancies" it is because you have not looked very hard, or have glossed over the major discrepancies, and justified them with the corrupt Greek NT.  A few major discrepancies are as follows: The last 12 verses of Mark, John 8:1-12. I Timothy 3:16, I John 5:7, Luke 4:4, Acts 8:37, and many others that deal directly with the deity of Christ and salvation.  Food for thought...not wanting to debate you on it, just letting you know there is much more to this than you allow.  Either God keeps his promises, or He is a liar.  The promises given extend to every single word for all generations.  Ps. 12:6-7, Prov. 30:5-6, Matt. 24:35, II Tim. 3:16 (ALL Scripture IS...present tense...).

     

    In Christ,

    Here is the NIV version of 1 Timothy 3:16. 

     

    16 Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:

    He appeared in the flesh,
    was vindicated by the Spirit,[a] footnote vindicated in the Spirit
    was seen by angels,
    was preached among the nations,
    was believed on in the world,
    was taken up in glory.

     

    Here is the KJV

     

    16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

     

    Show me that what is being said is different between the two versions.  I am not asking to debate but am wanting to be open minded.  I only had time to look up one verse for now.  I will look up the others later.  Thanks.

  6. You must be referring to your church because there is no IFB Church as a denomination.  Some are little more than cults (not Baptist anymore), others have gone the way of the emergents (not IFB anymore) and many cling to the King James Bible and teach and preach their members from it.  The enemies of the Baptists have themselves said that we are the ones who most closely follow the Scriptures for all matters of faith and practice.

     

    You're right, there is not yet one local church that 100% accurate because there are no 100% perfect people yet.  

    My church says they're not a denomination.  They are not under a hierarchy.  However, I don't recall saying they were but that there were saved people in many denominations.  I don't have to call myself a Baptist or any other name to prove I am a Christian.  That's one of the things I don't agree with.  I don't believe the KJV is the only preserved English translated Bible.  Out of respect for this forum and its rules, I post KJ if I use scripture but I use different translations in my studies as well as KJ and have not found discrepancies yet.  Nothing of significance that changes the meaning of what is being said.  Bibles are still being translated today in other languages for other countries so why can't we have new translations from the English language that was used in the 1600's?  And the wearing of skirts?  How ridiculous to say that a women is dressed modestly because they wear a skirt.  Even unsaved women do that so how do you make the distinction?  Our style of clothing has changed, our language and our music.  Some of the Baptist churches need to get out of past eras.  One of our women's classes was on homemaking.  I felt like I was in a 1950's home economics class.  I need some meat, but unfortunately one can only go to whatever churches are available in the area.

  7. Replying to above posts....God gave us the the Bible...not commanded us to become Baptists.  There are saved in many denominations because it is a a matter of the heart not what we label ourselves.  As far as Peter goes, he had to publicly be rebuked by Paul because of hypocrisy not wanting to eat with gentiles because they weren't circumcised, even though he knew better and had nothing to do with salvation but was worried about what "man" thought.  So, even in the early church there was hypocrisy and by those who walked physically with Jesus.   

  8. We're Baptists by distinction and conviction.  Everyone who believes IN Jesus Christ calls themselves Christians, even JWs, Mormons and Catholics and especially those false converts at the rock-n-roll churches.  

     

    To further distinguish ourselves as Bible believing Baptists from all the liberal baptists we call ourselves, generally speaking, Independent, Fundamental, Soul-Winning Baptists!

    Well then that's why I say I am a Christian and go to an IFB church.  I think my point is that I am Christian first or a "believer." I'm probably gonna get stoned here but I don't agree with every single thing the IFB church teaches.  I don't think there is one single church on this earth that teaches 100% accurate truths.  Even reading posts on this forum on different topics, all the Baptists here can't seem to agree with each other.

  9. Maybe we should just call ourselves Christians and let the chips from the outside world fall where they may.

    I have been saying that all along...somewhere on this forum.  :-)

     

    Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

  10. 1st,let me say this, I've set with a Assembly of God church member many times in the coffee shop & we have had many discussion & disagreements on church doctrine yet there has never been a cross word between us.

     

    We do not accept members from the Assembly of God by letter nor statement. We will accept them by their profession of faith saved by grace though faith in Jesus Christ, not of works, not of self with them being baptized. And the same thing would be true for a Catholic.

     

    Oh, the Assembly of God person I mentioned is an Assembly of God preacher, we are friends & always friendly to one another.

    Excellent.  That's how Jesus accepts us.  Romans 10:9.  Not by our titles.  I go to an IFB church because they are the closest to Biblical principles and a place I feel I can learn and grow.  I don't call myself Baptist.  Not that I am ashamed if someone calls me Baptist but I don't want to be instantly labeled.  I am Christian. Acts 11:12  Since Christian is a broad term these days, I tell people I am a "believer"...that gets them to ask me what I believe and I can share my faith.    

  11. My fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I am seeking scripture that speaks out against my topic. I do not believe that God would come to another induvidual and tell them something that he had intended for the person being told to find out. Here is what I am facing; my relationship of a month shy of two years was ruined by a woman who told my significant other that "God told her that she needed to end our relationship." I cannot blame my Girlfriend for listening to her do to the fact that I am out numbered in this fight. Her Mom, Sister, and Grandparents share the same penocostal holiness faith. She is not that way herself, however her mind could be swayed when the core of her family is in support of this. The woman who told her to do this is a Second cousin whom is more like an Aunt to her and they have always been close. She is the second wife to a man (her third marrige herself) who pastors a church in our area. His congregation is being led by him unknowing of his past life...I guess he doesn't read the book of Timothy...however thats a different discussion. I need verses and most of all prayers because the only way that her and I can make it back together is by God's touch. Thank you friends!

    God speaks to us in different ways.  Just to name a few...

     

    Generally through the Word.

     

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

     

    Through our conscience.

     

    1 Timothy 1:5  Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.

     

    Through the Holy Spirit.

     

    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

     

    Through counsel and advice of other Godly people.

     

    Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

     

    Ephesians 2:18 tells us that we have access to God.  "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father."

     

    From what you wrote, your girlfriend is close with this person.  That person probably loves and wants to protect her.  But....ask your girlfriend to consider going to God directly, on her own, with much prayer and direction from scripture.  

  12. I don't think that's what he's saying, Laura.  He's talking about churches that don't identify with any particular denomination or belief, but combine enough so that everyone is comfortable.  In actuality, those type churches are inter-denominational.  The non-denominational churches can be more of a combination, but the ones I've attended or known about have tended to lean baptistic in belief.

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    I'm Baptist because I believe Baptists align more closely to scripture than any other belief.  That doesn't mean others are completely wrong (I know of a Wesleyan church which, believe it or not, is more IFB than some IFB churches I could name), but just that Baptist is more right.  And I say that without smugness or overweening pride.   :wink  I'm IFB because I believe it is more biblical than Baptist churches that have a hierarchy to whom they answer.

     

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.  I know some Baptists that believe only Baptists are saved.  I just wanted to clarify, for my own understanding, that a comment wasn't headed in that direction.

     

  13. The nondenominational church is the last place I would recommend to anyone that asked me about fining a good church, why? for they generally made up of people from any different denominations, accepting people from any denomination, & by their name you have no idea at all what they may teach, it may be Pentecostal, Holiness, Methodist, Presbyterian,  Anglican, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Episcopalian, Seven Day Adventist, Assembly of God,one thing for sure they do not want to be identified with us Baptist. They may may teach works based salvation & or many other doctrines that's strange to the Bible.

     

    Please answer me this question for clarification.  I came from AOG.  I now belong to an IFB church.  Because of where I came from, should I not be allowed in the IFB church?  My Pastor came from a Catholic background.      

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