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  1. Best idea would be to toss a paper airplane up there with "read me" written on the wing. As he opens it you can detail your disappointment in full and explain that he needs to repent on the spot. 

    as he is reading, send another airplane to the piano player, with the same "read me" written on the wing. When she opens it, have written: "as the piano player comes and plays softly" (he/she will know whats up). 

    No baptist can resist soft music and a firm rebuke and not make a point to hold an impromptu alter call. 

    Glad to be of service. 

  2. I understand he doesnt go through all the verses of calvinism. Honestly - in my expierence, chasing verses is a waste of time. You will always just come back to "well your interpretation is wrong!", "no YOUR the wrong one". on and on and on.

    Calvinism is inconsistent within itself and implodes if you run it out logically. Now you can be a consistent calvinist and there are many (RC sproul for example). Those people you wont convince. How do you convince someone that God wants all people saved when they believe God hand picked those for hellfire ? you don't you explain why their view of God is tyrannical and walk away. 

  3. I ask this for your opinions, thoughts, and insights.

     

    I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! you're wrong!" but rather I would like to have this discussion on here. I will probably be starting another thread I would like to get some more opinions on that is in tandem to this thread but worthy of a secondary set of thought patterns.

     

    Without futher ado this is the link:

    Click me! 

    So the thread there is pretty simple: 

    Apparently DBS is "Fractured" due to Riplingers divorces (although Dean burgeon has been a TR-Only group not  KJVO group but anyway)
    Ruckman has passed away
    Steven Anderson is a menace (which I don't disagree with)
    Etc..

    Do you see the KJB issue still in full force or not?
     

  4. Well Shalom!

    Have not been around to post for at least a year, Wasn't terribly active then - however I would like to find an online outlet of believers who share common beliefs and values. I understand we wont agree on everything, however, that shouldn't stop fellowship. 

    anyway, hope to be around more often.

    JG

  5. God does not redeem sin. He Cannot redeem lies,lust, pride,etc. Rock music cannot be redeemed because it's nature is against God. Rock music is not holy and you know it. Stop compromising my friend, it's not worth being out of fellowship with God. As long as you willfully embrace this music you are not in fellowship with God. 

    lol so are you full on Arminian right here?

    you call me friend but have done nothing thus far but cast stones in my direction, you are far from "friendly".

    what does it mean to "Redeem" would be our first question:

     

    Redeem

    REDEE'M, verb transitive [Latin redimo; red, re, and emo, to obtain or purchase.]

    1. To purchase back; to ransom; to liberate or rescue from captivity or bondage, or from any obligation or liability to suffer or to be forfeited, by paying an equivalent; as, to redeem prisoners or captured goods; to redeem a pledge.

    2. To repurchase what has been sold; to regain possession of a thing alienated, by repaying the value of it to the possessor.

    If a man [shall] sell a dwelling house in a walled city, then he may redeem it within a whole year after it is sold.

    Leviticus 25:25.

    3. To rescue; to recover; to deliver from.

    Th' Almighty from the grave hath me redeem'd.

    Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles. Psalms 25:22. Deuteronomy 7:8.

    The mass of earth not yet redeemed from chaos.

    4. To compensate; to make amends for.

    It is a chance which does redeem all sorrows.

    By lesser ills the greater to redeem

    5. To free by making atonement.

    Thou hast one daughter who redeems nature from the general curse.

    6. To pay the penalty of.

    Which of you will be mortal to redeem man's mortal crime?

    (there are more, but stopping there)

    So for porn, since its very nature is that of adultery, to redeem it, would be definition 6, 3, and perhaps 1. and further to it, as I have said, it would be the collapse thereof.

    for rock music, we are here debating the nature thereof. I am on the side that, just due to a tone or pitch, or distortion in an instrument. or a scream or a yell in someones voice, that does not dictate a nature against God. I'm sure some prayers have been said on the battle field in shouts and yelling.

    So I would take definition 2; to be bought back. that is, the world has had the lock down on the style of music but it is not rightfully theirs. It (Rock music) belongs to God.

    Now you can disagree, but you cant say it somehow breaks my fellowship with God. until you from scripture alone can justify the statement "Rock music is ONLY of and For the world"

    if you feel I am out of fellowship with God.

    www.bethelbc.ca is our churches website, please let my pastor know your concerns as I'm sure he wouldn't want a deacon that has no fellowship with God.

     

  6. So I have this issue where if an author, is calvinistic, non kjb, post trib, non creation. I just dismiss them anyone just disqualifies them and I'm wondering if I'm really hindering my reading and study, although at the same time I'm wondering if perhaps this is just a leading to spend full time invested in the word until I feel comfy dividing between writings of authors I don't agree with. How about you? How do you decide what's worth investing time into or not? Sorry about formatting OB and tapatalk don't like making paragraphs.. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

  7. i seem to have been shut down for posting in this thread, will pm you my response John :)

    I've learned to understand it, some bands are indistinguishable without lyrics infront of you lol.

    As for the comfort piece, I don't know if I could give a satisfactory answer to appeal to everyone. So without going into a long winded explanation about where I came from pre christ etc. I find the raw emotion, to come from deep in my heart. It feels authentic to sing to with everything I have vs the alternatives.

    Petras version of amazing Grace obviously isn't as heavy as that. (second thief is on one of the heavier ends of metal) but allows me to sing out and bring peace to my heart more than 60 songs on the power point at church.

    So this is the disconnect I suppose from me to 99% of everyone else in the ifb baptist realm. I get I'm alone, and there's a lot of discernment involved in selecting bands, CERTAIN SONGS from bands, even albums, however music is the gospel, its not divinely inspired, artists will fail, they wont be as bold as I want all the time, they wont play how I want all the time, but if they are brothers and sisters in the faith, to listen to their struggles and what they are going through and their prayers and to be with them in prayer and in song is encouraging to me. There are a lot of fakes, MOST DEFINITELY. There was a band that claimed the "christian" label, and the lead singer came out and said that they were never christian and wondered how they got away with it as you just had to read their lyrics, he was recently convicted of hiring a hitman to kill his wife (it never happened). But before you slam Christian Metal or scoff at that title, do we scoff and throw away IFB (cough lancaster baptist) for some of the things that happened there? the scandals in ifb? the false accusations? the double standard and pure hatred for anything uncommon to the status quo is completely unnecessary. you dont agree, fine, i still love you but i disagree with some tenants of the argument (yes uke mike, even you I love despite your apparent thinking that I am too self righteous and prideful to hear another view). I just dont agree, you think I'm playing with fire. I think we're missing an opportunity to reach broken hearts and lost souls. You think im sacrificing holiness to do it. I think that bands don't need to sacrifice their integrity and can play the music they enjoy. To me, if I had the ability, I would love to do something like "daily in the word" with guys like this on the road, to keep them accountable and keep their eyes on soul winning. but alas just dreams. To me, and this is just me, but if bands like Bride or Petra would be more acceptable to ifb churches if they sang about the hobby horses in ifb-dom, if they went off on sprinkling, and the king James.


     

    Anyway, yes I find guitar riffs soothing and same with heavy drums and I get that doesn't jive with many here, but such is.

    As for the first impression piece, I suppose it would depend on the song and when they started listening to it (intros are usually instrumental). I mean 'Reformers' debut album is very blunt and clear

    Reformers - the greatest king:

    You are the only One found worthy of all the praise/You are my King whom I will love for all my days/Jesus You are the way, the truth and the life/For You I will stand up and give up my life/I will give up my life/I will give up my life for You/Every single person wants a King like Jesus Christ/No matter who you are there are things you can't deny/He's humble and honest and faithful all the time/He's loving and gentle/King of kings, Jesus Christ/You are the bridegroom King/The church: the bride, as one we sing/You're the only One found worthy/You're the only One found worthy of all the praise/You are the greatest King, deserving of full allegiance/You are deserving of more than I can give/I make the choice to honor the King/He's worthy of all the honor and praise/He's worthy/Jesus Christ the King of kings


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsboHo5FlZ4


    Not all songs are about worship primarily, some are about homosexuality, political positions etc so for those it may not be super clear. As for stylistically does it make someone go "this is definitely christian" probably not until some lyrics get out.

    However other than like, old old hymn tapes I can't say I've ever heard anything that was stylistically blatantly "christian" before vocals came out but again I'm not from the generation of old.

    Anyway, I can already see the stones in the hands of a few. But there you go, as much as I can realistically give without getting into my past and why this style of music helps me in my walk.

     

    cant edit posts, sorry for the (now) triple post... OB hates my ip at this time.

  8. You have really no care, it seems for what anyone says on the subject-you ignore any possibility of finding direction from scripture, or experience from those who actually write and perform the music, or the fruit of it, which is, just CCM, a false unity with ungodly organizations like the Catholic church, and a severe lack of discernment. This is the goal of many of the CCM performers-to break down walls of separation, which walls are there for our good, and at the command of God.

    If I didnt care, I wouldnt have replied to your comment. I find your arguments non convincing, according to you (it would appear) its cause you feel im spiritually immature and a weak christian. 

    As for the record labels, yes, metal music. I find Metal a whole lot more soothing when I've a rough day vs bluegrass or a 4 man acapella group. I get nothing out of those things.

    but this:

    "

    3. Count It Blessing

    When I see the wicked

    gain the upper hand

    When the righteous fall

    and are persecuted

    And the children beg

    for water and shelter

    And it feels like

    all the walls are caving in

     

    Rejoice! In the storm

    Rejoice! It will soon pass!

     

    And when nothing is quite right

    and I cant see Your light

    I count it blessing

    And when everything falls in place

    And I can feel Your grace

    I count it blessing

     

    Consider it pure joy when you face these trials

    knowing that it produces perseverance

     

    And when nothing is quite right

    and I cant see Your light

    I count it blessing

    And when everything falls in place

    And I can feel Your grace

    I count it blessing."

    Gives me comfort.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zat9YhL2Naw

    (posted youtube link for it, I get you'll hate it)

    dont have time to get through the rest, I dont submit to scholars, nor man, but God. so again, the tempo arguments or what have you, i find useless and weak. Petra for example has shown what they can do in ministry using rock music, you may dislike it but it doesnt make it less of a ministry.

  9. that article is humorous at best. Even if you decided to go to Strongs for Lev 18:22, the definition of Abomination there:

    "H8441

    תֹּעֵבַה    תּוֹעֵבַה
    tô‛êbah    tô‛êbah
    to-ay-baw', to-ay-baw'
    Feminine active participle of H8581; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: - abominable (custom, thing), abomination.
    Total KJV occurrences: 117"

    sooo either way, the article falls flat.

    as for the KJB "controversy", I dont think you need the greek, I believe the KJB is preserved. Some people like to use the greek who are KJVO; I dont find it necessary for my own studies, lesson planning, teaching etc.

    "What about Greek nuggets?"
    http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/nuggets.html

    I find just using a good ol 1828 dictionary helpful, as my english fails in comparison to the KJB.

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