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  1. A verse of Scripture, about Donald Trump’s presidency..... Proverbs 28:2 “For the transgression of a land many [are] the princes thereof: but by a man of understanding [and] knowledge the state [thereof] shall be prolonged.” ------------------------ “For the transgression of a land” When a nation sins, by turning away from God, this causes the kind of public disorder that brought our country to the idolatry, profanity and immorality, that we find it in today. ------------------------ “many [are] the princes thereof:” The result of a Godless society, is many will be pretending to be in authority over us(the bureaucracy of little dictators that we have in Washington DC and all over the country); Causing the people to lose their national identity and to brake off into parties and factions. This is where we have come, with the Obama presidency; With more racism, division and political corruption than we have ever seen. ------------------------ “but by a man of understanding [and] knowledge” But wise leadership, can solve this problem by a man of understanding and in his right mind, who chooses wise counselors. Things are brought back into the right order again. And the right methods of healing the nation are put into place. ------------------------ “the state [thereof] shall be prolonged.” Therefore the nation will be strong again and be prolonged. Praise the LORD He gave us Donald Trump for a president. We should be praying for his success and safety every day.
  2. Could it be, that the Holy Spirit, put this word into the heart of the translators? And I am not talking about Double Inspiration,
  3. My OP was about the superstitious and extrabiblical celebrations of the so-called Holy week. But it has derailed into an argument about semantics. This is like arguing about that holiday in July. Some people call it “Independence day” while other people call it “the 4th of July”. It doesn’t matter, because it’s the same day. One is more descriptive than the other while the other one is more patriotic. But EVERYBODY knows what you are talking about. The Bottom line, is that THE BIBLE HAS NO MISTAKES!
  4. Over the years, before I started posting here, there was another site(an SBC site), where I would post and find a lot of trouble, because of my views on the KJB. Every year I would post a thread something like this and would be attacked from every corner of the site. I am not allowed on that site any longer, so here is this years observation. (This is an edited copy of one of my posts to that site.) -------------------------------------------------- I have spoken up against “holy week” observances, as a purely “superstitious” practice, disguised as a religious practice in the past and have been amazed at how many of the “Christians” here, come out of the woodwork to jump down my throat for such sacrilege. Well the “lenten season” has come around again, but this year I have a new observation to add. The observation is, that almost 99% of these people who will come out in favor of the unbiblical recognition of “good Friday”, are also KJB haters. Now this has never surprised me, because of the fact that a love of the KJB is usually an indication of a love for the DETAILS of what God’s Word has to say. And any honest detailed look at the Scriptures will point out how truly unbiblical this whole idea of holy week is. But the new realization that I am adding this year is the fact that these same people who Hate the KJB, will be quick to point out the “so-called mistake”, in Acts 12:4..... “And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison, and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.” ------------------------ Now for sure, the word “Easter” here, is translated from the same GK word that means “Passover” and people are quick to jump on this as a reason not to read the KJB. While in the same breath, lifting Easter up as the star in the holy week’s crown. (You either love Easter or you hate Easter, make up your mind.) Now as I have said before; Although I do recognize Easter as a special day, I also celebrate easter every Lord’s day. And also I don’t see this translation in Acts 12:4, as the big mistake that others do, for 2 reasons. ➀ First, we aren’t Jews; We are Christians. And the man that had been put into prison in Acts 12, was a Christian who was being persecuted for his faith. Also the vast majority of those who will be reading the English Bible, will be Gentiles, Therefore it seems perfectly natural to set the precedent here, in that regard. ➁ Also, almost 100 years before the KJB used the word Easter in this verse, it had been used in Tyndale’s Bible. And a little over 200 years before the KJB, the Wycliffe Bible(the first English Bible), also used this word in Acts 12. ------------------------ I remember someone from that other site, telling me in years past that.... “Any Church that didn’t celebrate good Friday, needed to repent”. And as usual I am saying, that “Any Church that celebrates good Friday or any of those other Catholic holy week observances, needs a new pastor”.
  5. Hello wretched What I am getting at, is it is impossible to “force anyone to learn”. We can teach, until we are blue in the face(and I do), but it is not up to us, if they learn. As for Acts 11:26, of course it was the disciples at the Church in Antioch, that were being called “Christians”(little Christs), because those members at that Church, that were living for the Lord, looked like Christ. But what about those who were in disobedience to Christ. Even in the best of Churches, there are some who do not live for the Lord, like they should. And finally, the “concept” that I thought was lacking, was “using the wrong word”. If your talking about “teaching”, than use that word. Don’t use the word “student”. It’s just a slippery slope, that we should avoid. But I will agree with my brother 1611, this is not a fellowship breaker. Who knows, maybe I am wrong. I have not arrived yet. Although SALVATION does change people, we still retain our free will. And most professing Christians that I interact with, do not appear to be living for Christ, but I don’t through them under the bus.
  6. Hello again 1611 Thank you for so quickly responding to my post and for going to the horses mouth with your response. And I am looking forward to scrutinizing his response. But, I needed to quickly respond to the opening premise of his statement. It starts out by saying.... A TRUE BELIEVER IS A DISCIPLE OF CHRIST The reason this is not true, is because Biblical salvation, is by grace through faith and that not of ourselves.. And Jesus repeatedly stated, that we do not become disciples by Grace! Luke 14:26-27 26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. As much as we would like it to be the case, it isn’t. Not every true believer(in fact a very small percentage if true believers), take up their cross and follow Jesus. And this is just “one” example of Jesus sharing the qualifications of becoming a disciple. There are more. Now, there is a false teaching out there, called “Lordship Salvation”, that might state that this is the case, but maybe not. Now, I am back to reading your response....
  7. Hello 1611 My attitude about the subject of “Disciples”, has as much to do with the actual definition of the word “disciple” as it does with what the Bible says about it. At the heart of this issue is Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Years and years ago, I was reading a newsletter, that made the following statement.... “...just as Jesus told us to go forth and make disciples....” The trouble was, I could not remember Jesus ever saying this and the fact is HE DIDN’T say this. This statement is taken from other English versions of the Bible in Matthew 28:19. But “the Bible” does not make this statement. The fact is, the word disciple means “student”. Therefore the words disciplship, or discipling etc. do not exist. This is like saying “studenting”! The bigger FACT is, that God is the only one who can “make disciples”, because only God can put it into a person’s heart, to “want to be a student of Jesus”(like Mary sitting at Jesus’ feet). Therefore, I am turned away from this book, simply by the title. Although, we are to bend over backward to accommodate Christians, in the area of education, as both individuals and as Churches. Therefore, this may be a good book. But just as with the Bible itself, “words are important”. So if we are going to write a book about educating Christians in Church, we should not call it discipling. This is a step in the wrong direction.
  8. Things to think about: Philippians 4:6-8 Because Satan is always attacking us, in our minds! =================================================================== V.6 -DON’T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING......BUT PRAY ABOUT IT- Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. =================================================================== V.7 -GOD’S PROMISED RESPONSE...... TO OUR PRAYERS- And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. =================================================================== Finally, brethren, V.8A -THE BOTTOM LINE....WHEN BATTLING WORRY- (Controlling our thoughts:) =================================================================== whatsoever things are true, V.8B -THINKING ABOUT.....THE THINGS THAT ARE TRUE- (John 14:6) =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] honest, V.8C -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE HONEST- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] just, V.8D -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE JUST- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] pure, V.8E -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE PURE- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] lovely, V.8F -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE LOVELY- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] of good report; V.8G -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE OF GOOD REPORT- =================================================================== if [there be] any virtue, V.8H -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE MORALLY RIGHT- =================================================================== and if [there be] any praise, V.8I -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS TO PRAISE THE LORD ABOUT- =================================================================== think on these things. V.8J -TAKING CONTROL OF OUR MIND- (Because this is where battles are won:) ===================================================================
  9. Good morning At 11:30pm last night, I posted this OP and shut down my computer and went to bed. And 5 minutes later, realized that I had dropped the ball. I remembered that someone had shared the Gospel with me. Of course, “sharing the Gospel”, needs to be the main thing taught and drilled into the heads of those who come to Church. In fact, this is why God’s people are targeted by Christian ministry. To bring them to maturity and teach them about their responsibility to Get the message of the Gospel out. ------------------------ Please forgive me, for neglecting to add this truth to my OP.
  10. PRAISE THE LORD, I was allowed ot come here and remove my mistake. But I remembered at the moment that I was typing this OP last night(before I posted it), that I felt God removing His peace from my heart and I should have listened..... “And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.” (Colossians 3:15) ---------- The real message here should be, how we should become more and more sensitive the LORD's voice, even when we are tired.
  11. Hello 1611mac I think I know where you are coming from. Here is my story. I was born again, during lunch at work, in response to a message preached on the radio by Oliver B Green. I had no Church background at all, before that(so I had no teleological baggage to unlearn). Over the next few years, from simply my personal Bible study, I came to this conclusion. The moment that I asked Jesus to save me and was born again, I became a member of “the CHURCH”(or, “the body of Christ”). Then later on, when I joined a Baptist Church by water baptism, I became a member of “a Church”. During those first few years, I regularly called these two definitions of “the Church”, The visible Church and the invisible Church. Being “invisible”, because only the LORD knows, which professing Christian, is a member of it. I see, Romans 6:3-4, as perfectly describing these two baptisms.... 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. The 1st in V.3, being baptized into Jesus Christ, by the Holy Spirit’s indwelling. Which led to V.4, “Therefore”, we are baptized into his death, by a local Church! ------------------------ This made(makes), perfect sense to me: But then, over the years, I discovered that for some reason, a lot of people have a big problem with this view. By the way, I see this view, as having more weight, because I didn’t get it from any man, but from my personal Bible study........ "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27)
  12. An explanation... ➀All the 1st generation Children of Israel(those Jews who died in the wilderness). God’s people the Jews, came out of Egypt. After they refused to go into the promised land, God kept them in the wilderness for 40 years, until the 1st generation(all those over 20 years old), died. Then the LORD took there Children on into the promised land. Lots of people identify “the promised land” as a type of heaven. That is to say, that those Jews who died in the wilderness and didn’t get to go in, were not saved. But, Hebrews 4: and other places, teach us that the promised land, is actually a type of “rest”: A state where God’s people can go, as they totally commit their lives to Christ. Those Jews who died in the wilderness, are just like those Christians who died in 1Cor.11:, when they were disrespecting the Lord’s supper, etc.
  13. When you start to consider all the “mixed multitude” that will be in heaven, it becomes kind of a “Doctrinal Challenge”, because there are facts that can’t be gotten around. ➀ Every baby that dies, will be in heaven: (Although they will not be part of the Body of Christ, they will be there!) ➁ All Old Testament Saint will be in heaven: (Including people like Noah and his ancestors and Job and his some of his friends and maybe even his children.) ➂ All the 1st generation Children of Israel(those Jews who died in the wilderness). ------------------------ These are just three examples, that doesn’t include all the Billions of people who will be saved during the Tribulation (Revelation 15:2-4), to say nothing of those saved during the millennial reign of Christ. For sure there will be a “great city” in heaven, where the Bride of Christ lives. But there will be “inhabitants” of heaven that are not part of the Bride, that in Revelation are called “servants”. The Bible pictures heaven, as being greatly populated, but as having kind of a “class system”, with the BRIDE OF CHRIST, being at the top. These are the “few” that find the “narrow way”. ------------------------ l know that I have opened a big can of worms with this response, but that is why I called it a “Doctrinal Challenge”!
  14. Alan has asked me to talk about the method that I use to memorize Scripture, or to share a testimony about it; Well I feel like the Lord is leading me to talk more about my motivation, than my method. ------------------------ MY MOTIVATION: So lets talk about the true VALUE, of the things concerning our faith. The fact is, 10 seconds after we arrive into the next life, we are going to realize how much more important Spiritual things were, than physical things. This is really what Scripture memorization is all about: Investing our time and effort into things, that are truly important, even though we may not see their true value right now. There are 3 things, that I see as more important than we will ever be able to fully realize, this side of heaven. And these three things are so important and valuable, that they can’t even be placed in order, because they are of equally great value. One is PRAYER, the other is HEARING FROM THE LORD and the last is GOD’S WORD. All three of these have to do with our personal and genuine, communion with the one true living God. And it is this aspect of verse memorization, that our eyes need to be opened to. These are “GOD’S WORDS”, that we are memorizing and digging deeper and deeper into, as we keep them memorized. The more that we fathom, the true identity of the one true living “GOD”, we will get closer to understanding just how important it is, to hide His Word in our heart(Psalms 119:11 Of these three important things, that I mentioned above; In a real way, they are all connected. Every day, that we take the time to STOP and really study God’s Word, we open our selves up to hearing from Him(this is how I get messages to preach). And as we take time to PRAY, we are developing that communication link between ourselves and the LORD, in such a way, that we are more open to receiving a WORD from Him. ------------------------ MY METHOD: There is really nothing special about my method: Years ago it started out with placing each individual verse on a 3"x 5" card, with the verse written out on one side and it’s address on the other side; And covering most of the verse with my hand, giving myself fewer and fewer hints each day, until I was able to fully quote it from just seeing it’s address. Then once it is memorized, I placed it into the monthly list, where I would test myself on it each month. Then later I moved the information from these cards, into pages in a document on my word processor on my computer, having 30 documents named DAY-01 to DAY-30. Then eventually converting these 30 documents/files, into PDF format and copying them onto my phone, where I am able to do my daily memory verse work where ever I am. ------------------------ I hope these things help someone decided to start memorizing Scripture. I have found it to be very rewarding in every aspect of my life, because God’s Word is so “POWERFUL”.
  15. What the Lord showed me, in these two verses this morning! Proverbs 30:5-6 V.5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. V.6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. -------------------------------------------------- -GOD’S VIEW OF A “PURE BIBLE”- Every word of God [is] pure: (One who’s words, are never changed) -------------------------------------------------- -GOD’S BLESSING UPON THOSE WHO TRUST HIS PURE WORD- he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Because trusting in His Word, is the same as trusting in Him!) -------------------------------------------------- -MAN’S RESPONSIBILITY AT KEEPING THE BIBLE “PURE”- Add thou not unto his words, (Don’t change it’s words:) When a “bible” had it’s words added or removed: It ceases to be God’s Pure Word! -------------------------------------------------- -SOMETHING ALL OF US SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY- lest he reprove thee, (Being reproved by the LORD:) -------------------------------------------------- -GOD’S PLAIN DESCRIPTION OF UNTRUSTWORTHY TRANSLATORS- and thou be found a liar. (They are liars, plain and simple!) --------------------------------------------------
  16. Hello Alan Don’t worry a bit about it. Over the last 35 years or so, I have NEVER found any brother or sister, who completely agreed with me 100%, in every Doctrinal area. Which in itself, is rather strange. Because we all read the same Bible and we all have the same Holy Spirit. But the Lord works in and through each of us, in His own unique way, bringing us all to the exact same view of fundamental Doctrines, yet allowing us to see lots of other things in a different light. Have a great day.
  17. Hello Alan I much appreciate your response. And thank you for being so cordial and Christlike. No, my view isn’t Calvinism, because it includes our “free will”, and Calvinism rejects that we have any free will at all. I don’t really know what it is(this is why I love detailed responses like yours). Because they help me get(and keep), my head straight, because your using Scripture, to back up your point. ------------------------ You said...... “It sems to me your interpretation of Titus 2:11, and Romans 10:14 is faulty. Even though all of mankind has the revelation of God through the creation, and thus has knowledge of God, all of mankind needs to hear the gospel story in order to get saved.” The point being made, is that although they do NEED to hear about Jesus, to be born again, they don’t need a preacher. What I mean is, even though “natural revelation” has no way of telling them about Jesus, IT DOES, give them light, to seek out the truth and the LORD will provide them with a preacher. Therefore the excuse we find in Romans 10:14, doesn’t hold water with God. ------------------------ Next you said........ “Did not Paul say just a few passages further, "For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: But as it written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand." Romans 15:18-21" For sure, Paul was needed, to get them the Gospel. But the point of my OP, is that God had already prepared there hearts in such a way, that if Paul hadn’t made it to their town, than God would have sent someone else, with the Gospel; Or they would have moved to Antioch to hear it, etc. ------------------------ Next you continue with....... “So, Paul, in obedience to the Great Comminssion of Christ as stated in Matthew 28:18-20, started from Jerusalem to the farthest region he could go to preach the pospel, "not where Christ was named." why? "... and they that have not heard shall understand." Even though the folks preached to have the natural knowledge of God through the creation, Paul says, "they that have not heard." You see, there are two things being heard: First, that there is a God that wants to save them; Second, is the Gospel. For any of us to say, “people will die and go to hell if we do not send someone there”, is not true. Because God will see to it, that someway or somehow, they are going to hear the Gospel. This is really all about, the error of using Scriptures like Romans 10:14, to lay a guilt trip, upon Christians. When the facts of Scripture tell us, that the Lord is going to take care of them. ------------------------ Then you said....... “The apostle Paul stated this doctrinal fact after he said, "But I say, Have they not heard? yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the earth." Romans 10:18 Oh, by the way, what Paul said in Romans 10:14 & 18 and what I quoted in Romans 15:18-21 do not contradict one another. The contradiction, as in Titus 2:11 and Romans 10:14 is not a contradiction, it fits hand in glove if your not a Calvanist.” I love it when the Lord shows me, how His Scripture “it fits hand in glove”: But the things that were said in Romans 10:14 and Romans 10:18, is not such an example. "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14) and "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world." (Romans 10:18) Here God answers v.14 by saying: Have they not heard(without a preacher)? Yes verily! The contradiction, in Titus 2:11 and Romans 10:14, is a contradiction brought about by misusing Romans 10:14, as an “imperative”, rather than a “discretionary” statement. ------------------------ I will sum up your next three paragraphs with the 3rd one.... “If Paul would not have gone to Colosse then the Colossian folks would not have heard, they did not believe on Jesus, and therefore how can they call upon the Lord? how then can they be saved? If Paul would not have gone and preached then they would be in hell today instead of heaven. The folks at Colosse heard Paul preach and then, on their own free will, trusted in the Lord Jesus as their Saviour. "How then shall they call on him whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a precher? Romans 10:14" There salvation was not dependent upon “Paul’s obedience or ability to get there”: As always, everyone’s salvation is dependent upon the LORD! God in His Righteousness, will see to it, that no one goes to hell, unless they reject Him. And He promises that all who ACCEPT HIM, will also ACCEPT HIS SON! Natural Revelation, is the Father, inviting humanity to ACCEPT HIM. And “without exception” all those who accept the Father, WILL ACCEPT THE SON.... "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24) Here, Jesus says: The only ones that the Gospel will have any effect upon, are those that have “believed on him that sent me”! A person must believe in the Father first, or they will reject the Son. Therefore, Once a person has Faith in the Father(by Natural revelation), than they are secure in that until they hear about the Son. ------------------------ Then lastly you said....... “There is no contradiction in the free will of man and the sin nature of man. A man out of his own volition either decides to get saved or to not to get saved.” I have heard this called, “decisionism”(mostly by Calvinists). I do not reject your statement, out of hand. But it does seem to “scrub” the LORD, out of the way of salvation. I also believe that God gave us a free will to accept Him or reject Him. But at some point in the process, our free will is lost. That is, today if I decided that I wanted to go to hell, I couldn’t! Because I am “in Christ”! The same “may” be true, for that native, who saw the lightning and “knew in his heart that there must be a God, and decided to search for Him”! In some way that we may not understand yet, this guy may be “secure”(in some way); Until he comes to know Christ! ------------------------ Thanks again for your response. I make it a point in all of my responses, not to ever be trying to “win the argument”! I am not here to lift myself up as having all the answers. I am here to gain a better understanding of Scripture and hopefully to be corrected by Scripture. While bringing Glory to my LORD!
  18. Hello Jim The exact extent of our “free will”, when it comes to “seeking the Lord”, is hard to nail down. Because although the Lord is in complete control of our salvation, at some point in our salvation, He can and does, put it into a person's heart, to come to Him(Ruth 1:16).“And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, [or] to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people [shall be] my people, and thy God my God:” For sure, Romans 3:11 is true. But the right way to look at this truth, is that “without the LORD”, "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." This truth is still true for us, even after we have been saved and are faithfully living for the Lord, Because we are STILL “nothing” without Him. It was in this context, that I say.... “God will see to it, that everyone who searches for Him, will find Him”, because it is the LORD that will put it into a person, to “search for Him”!
  19. Over the last 30 years or so, my study of God’s Word, has brought me to a set of Doctrinal convictions(a few hundred). But the way each of us get there, is important: We need to be careful not to ever come to a Doctrinal conviction, based upon someone’s opinion; But only by our personal study of God’s Word and the leadership of the Holy Spirit. God should give us our convictions, not man. I have said all of this, because I was recently reminded of one of these Doctrinal convictions, that I have taken; And wanted to share how I got there. Over the years the Lord has wonderfully blessed my memorization of His Word. My monthly recital of these verses has been GREAT. Each month as I re-memorize each one of my memory verses, I can’t help but study them in greater and greater detail, over and over again. Then, about 25 years ago, as I was re-studying Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," I realized that it contradicted one of my other memory verses. And as we all know, if we ever find a mistake in the Bible, “we are the ones making the mistake”; And what we have to do, is study even harder, until we find “our mistake”. So I set out on a deeper and deeper study of Titus 2:11 and Romans 10:14, to find out which one I was misinterpreting. After several months of prayer and study, the Lord gave me the answer. Titus 2:11 plainly says that EVERYONE will be given an opportunity to get saved. But although Romans 10:14 says that “only those who a preacher was sent to” would have this opportunity; “This is not what God says”. Within the context, of Romans 10:14, in verse 18, “the LORD” responds to the three questions in v.14 by saying...“But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” Therefore, the Lord says that they do not need a preacher, in order to hear. This verse refers us back to Psalms 98:3 "He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God."(Natural revelation) Therefore, the questions in v.14, are questions that people will be asking the Lord, as excuses for not being saved, before being dropped into the lake of fire. ------------------------ This Doctrinal conviction, that I have come to, is challenged all the time, when I hear missionaries quote Romans 10:14, as the reason why we need to send them to their field; "Because if they don’t go, people will go to hell." Also I hear pastors using it, to get their people to support missions in a greater way. Don’t misunderstand me. I am not saying that missions are wrong. But God is saying, that if someone is going to get saved, He will see to it that they get saved, regardless of what we do or don’t do. Let me explain what I am talking about; with a little story about two natives. In the middle of South America or Africa. A thousand miles from any town, is a small village of people. Well one day two men leave the village to go hunting(in different directions). That afternoon, a big thunderstorm comes up and both men have similar experiences. They are walking along hunting and out of nowhere, a lighting bolt hits a tree in front of them and spits it open and catches it on fire. After getting back up from the ground, one of these men looks around and says in his heart, there must be a God in heaven somewhere, that created this wonderful world I am living in. And from that moment on, he sets out to find out more about the creator.(Kind of like Exodus 3:3) But the other man, who had the same exact experience, gets up from the ground and says, boy that was interesting and continues hunting.(30 years later he dies and goes to hell). But the first man, uses the light that God gave him and is given more and more light. While in a Church in Kansas, the Lord calls a family to the mission field to that same part of the world. The missionary finishes his deputation and goes to the filed and is setting up his tent, after traveling deep into the wilderness. When here comes that first man(out of the jungle), and is standing face to face with this missionary. And the man is told about the one true living God and his Son Jesus and that first man gets saved. As you can see, this man did not need a preacher to find the LORD, but God used a preacher to tell him about Jesus. The Bible does not teach us, that people will die and go to hell, if we are not obedient to the Lord. But it does say that God will use someone else. God will see to it, that everyone who searches for Him, will find Him.
  20. Donald

    I am a car!

    Like I said....... ➃But the Bible says, that if we strive to please God by honoring Him and being the best Ford we can be, than He could see to it, that we last longer than expected.
  21. Donald

    I am a car!

    Hello Dave You said...... “Now back to the actual discussion - how then do you tell that someone saying he is a pair of Italian shoes actually IS a pair of Italian shoes?” The only way, would be to take his shoes and socks off and inspect what he is: But then that would be unseemly; Which is the whole point. ➀ God hates it, when we can’t tell by simple observation, what a person is;(Deut.22:5) ➁ Satan hates God and human beings and does all he can do to hurt both parties. ➂ Therefore, Satan lies to someone and convinces them that they can only be happy If they are something else, so in their deceived state, they identify as something else. ➃ Plus(an added bonus), is Satan knows that God hates rebellion and this whole issue, of calling yourself something that you aren’t, is height of rebellion against your creator. ------------------------ ➀So, if God created you as a Honda, than you are going to run a long time. ➁But if God created you as a Ford, than you will be dead much faster. ➂And forcing Honda parts onto yourself, will bring your death even faster.(Satan loves that) ➃But the Bible says, that if we strive to please God by honoring Him and being the best Ford we can be, than He could see to it, that we keep running a lot longer than expected. So honor God and be what you were created as and be a blessing to yourself and the Lord and others. (Satan hates that!)
  22. Hello Ronda and thanks for your response I fully understand and agree, that Israel has received different promises and expectations from the LORD, than the Church. But the what I am talking about God and how He is the same, yesterday today and forever. And one of the “constants” with the LORD, is the way He deals with sin. And that He deals with the sin of His people, in a different way, than He deals with the world’s sin. Sure enough “God hates sin”, but He hates it more in “His people”, than He does the world. ------------------------ The “proposal”, that I am talking about in is thread is about God’s “earthly judgement” upon His people and how similar it is, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. In the Old Testament, most of God’s people did not even know that they were experiencing God’s judgement, when it was right on top of them. And it could be, that God’s Judgement has(is), already resting on God’s people today and we don’t realize it. I had expected Gods Judgement to come in the form of “persecution”, but what I believe is happening is this His judgement is coming in the form of a growing apostasy that seems to be swallowing up more and more Churches every day. One of these days(maybe today), we will look around and find that 90% of IBF Churches, have gotten completely away from God and His Word. I am finding more and more men(people), who call themselves “conservative pastors” who don’t believe nor preach God’s Word. What I am saying in this thread, is that THIS COULD BE GOD’S JUDGEMENT upon the last day Church.
  23. I just got through with my latest study of Jeremiah and now I am about half way through Lamentations; And I just can’t get the picture of Lamentations 2:5-9, out of my mind. The result of the LORD’S anger, was completely unexpected by the Jews, in the way that He totally decimated their religious worship! Then I remembered, that "judgment must begin at the house of God"(1 Peter 4:17), and realized that this judgement is going to be "something that we don't expect"! Just like it was with God’s people in the Old Testament. ------------------------ From our perspective, this judgement is already happening, with openly homosexual pastors and the way that "Bible believing churches" are getting harder and harder to find, etc. etc. By the way, homosexual pastors is just the tip of the iceberg, of the unbelief and the damnable heresies(2 Peter 2:1), that we are now seeing, in all quarters of the local Church. I am surprised every day, with unbelievable error and wickedness, that I am seeing “within the Church”! It breaks my heart, to see God’s people turning from the Lord and His Word, in the way that I am seeing. ------------------------ I believe that our response to this, should be the same as Jeremiah’s: We should continue to preach the truth and obey the Lord, regardless of the ramifications!
  24. I appreciate the encouragement, but I am nothing without the Lord. And the reason for this OP, was to kind of “touch base” with other believers, about my response to this kid. (Because it felt kind of wrong, not being able to “bring him to Christ”.) But this is just half of the story! This happened about a year ago; But "two days ago", this same young man came back to my table and I didn’t remember him, when he asked what book of the Bible I was reading? I told him “Jeremiah” and asked him if he read his Bible every day... His response was, “No, not any more!” Still not knowing who he was, I asked him why he had stopped reading his Bible? Then he reminded me, about our previous encounter and told me of how he still had the New Testament that I had given him and had bought a big Bible and had attended a local Baptist Church, for a few months(after our last conversation). But(as he put it), he never did experience the feeling of conviction that I had described or that the people at Church talked about; Therefore, he started checking out other religions and had spoken to a JW and a Muslim and a Buddhist, with no success. At this point, the Lord blessed my response, by giving me lots of sound instruction and advice. A few minutes later, I was concerned that I was boring him, by repeating a lot of the same things that I had said before, but he assured me that he was very interested, because he “wanted to know the truth”. I reminded him, that what he needed was “faith” and that God was the only one who could give him the “faith to get saved”: But that all he had to know right now, is that “Jesus was the only source of truth” and that all of those other religions, were all lies, because they rejected Jesus as Lord! I also pointed out that the Lord had not given me the “faith to get saved” until I was 27 years old; And suggested that he not give up on searching for truth. I also suggested that he start back attending that Baptist Church(the one closest to the college), and that the Bible promises, that “those who seek shall find”. ------------------------ I wish that I could have done more for this kid(he really seems like he is looking for the truth). But if he really is, than I know that he will find it.
  25. Over the years, I have ran into a situation(like the one that I am about to relay), a few times and I am challenged each time, with the temptation to ignore what I know Scripture says and do what “seems best” to me; But praise the Lord, so far I have always done the right thing. First example: About a year ago, I was approached by a college student(at the local state college that I regularly visit to minister), and as usual, he wanted to know why I am always sitting at that table reading my Bible(haven’t I finished it yet?). After explaining that you can never really finish the Bible(because it’s God’s Word), I continued with my standard operating procedure in cases like this... I ask if the person is born again(or saved if they don’t know what that means), and this kid said that he wasn’t. So I started off sharing the Gospel with him: And as usual I followed that up with my personal testimony of how I got saved and what happened to me following my salvation. But on this occasion, the young man I was talking to(Nick), didn’t respond as expected(by either accepting or rejecting the Gospel), but by simply not responding. After telling him that “saying anything but yes to Jesus is saying NO”, he responded that the “conviction” that I described, that was necessary for salvation, just wasn’t their. I further explained that this feeling of conviction, is actually a result of “believing the message of the Gospel”(being convinced), and having a “fear of going to hell”! That is, when you truly believe the message of the Gospel, than you will believe that there is a “real hell” that you are going to spend eternity in, if you reject Christ. He continued to explain that he did feel convicted. He said, “he want to believe”, but the conviction just wasn’t their. At this point I quoted Ephesians 2:8-9 .... V.8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: V.9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. And explained that for salvation to truly be by “unmerited favor”, than it was necessary for God to “place this faith into your heart”! You can’t “work up” the faith to be saved. Nor was salvation possible by simply having all the right information(knowledge alone, can’t save anybody). God has to give you, the faith to believe. Well our conversation ended, with me giving him a pocket size New Testament and encouraging him to keep seeking for salvation in Jesus. ------------------------ Oh, by the way; I know of several IFB’s that would have simply gotten him to recite a prayer; Then stamped him saved. (And he was open and I could have done that!) But I didn’t!

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