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  1. Donald

    How to sharpen an axe

    Hello pastor Scott When I read the words...."Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.", I see the result of when a Christian’s sound Doctrinal view is defended using Scripture, his countenance is sharpened, like in Isaiah 50:7 “For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.” As I faced other Christians, in defense of God’s Word, I came away with a sharpened countenance and set my chin like a flint, unaffected by the fact that the vast majority of Christendom holds an opposing opinion. Your interpretation of the word countenance may differ from mine, but we may be looking at two sides of the same coin. -------------------------------------------------- Next you said, “Second, the verse does not speak about being sharpened by one's OPPONENT, but about sharpening the countenance of one's FRIEND. As such, if the relationship of Biblical friendship does not actually exist between two individuals, then the principle of this verse does not actually apply in that case.” The people that I made it clear were talking to each other are fellow Christians; Among Christians, we should not have any OPPONENTS, even those who see things(Doctrine), from another point of view. As for the fact that a “grinding wheel” in not mentioned in Pro.27:17, it doesn’t have to, because God’s Word is the stone that we all use to make our point. -------------------------------------------------- Then you said......... Furthermore, God's Holy Word does present doctrinal principles concerning the matter of righteous friendship, such that we are to pursue after certain types of individuals as our friends and to separate from certain other types of individuals as our friends. As to the “friend” talked about in Proverbs, is referring to “righteous friendship”, I am not sure. I have some friends in Church, that I would consider righteous friends, but there are other Brothers in Church, that I might just call them friends. But a passage over in 2 Timothy, seems to be talking about the friends I am talking about. "V.20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor. V.21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work." The “great house” is the local Church, and in it are some Christians(within our local Church), that are less honorable than others and we are told to “purge ourselves from them”. The kind of plain pointed Biblical discussion, that I propose Proverbs 27:17 is talking about, could very well be used, to “purge” them. -------------------------------------------------- Lastly you said....... “Indeed, I consider certain individuals on this forum as Biblical friends. Even so, it would be possible, according to the principle of Proverbs 27:17, for me to sharpen their countenance and for them to sharpen my countenance. However, in the past I was a member of a forum wherein I was in a doctrinal minority on various significant doctrines. On that forum I had very few actual friends. The rest were simply doctrinal opponents. Although my doctrinal positioning was certainly "sharpened" through my "battles" on that sight, my COUNTENANCE most certainly was NOT sharpened, especially not by my doctrinal opponents.” With this paragraph, I better understand your point. It comes down to “who’s countenance” we are talking about. For instance, the very first time we find this word in the Bible, it was talking about the face of an unsaved killer Genesis 4:6. When I read Proverbs 27:17, I picture a Christian, getting to the bottom Biblical truth, to the point that it makes them more sure of the Biblical ground they are standing on, like in Ezekiel 3:9 “As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.” -------------------------------------------------- Sure enough, I may have gone a little too far in linking the art of sharpening an edge, with this verse in Proverbs. But extending this example out, shows the truly bad results of only giving our ear to those who agree with us. We already have our flesh, we don’t need any other “yes men”. I come here for responses just like yours, so please if you find any “T” that I have not crossed or “I” that I have not dotted, than please let me know. Have a great day
  2. A few years ago I realized something(praise the Lord), but I haven’t yet seen an open door to share it, until now. Yesterday’s response on this site, by DaveW, was the open door I have been waiting for. What I am referring to is the Scripture.......... "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." (Proverbs 27:17) What the Lord pointed out to me, is the fact that most people do not know how to “sharpen” an axe! If you do not know how to make an axe’s edge SHARP, you will not know how this Scripture works! ------------------------ Let me start, at where I learned to “make an edge SHARP”! I was just a young married man with a young family to support and had a job at a shop that built air conditioning ducts(the old fashioned way, by hand), This construction required thousands of 1/8" holes to be drilled in sheet metal. All of this drilling, caused these 1/8" drill bits to become dull. But instead of throwing them away, my boss would have us “re-sharpen them”, and they would be LIKE NEW. So as I was being instructed on how to do this, I leaned that the way that my mind thought, would make these bits sharper, actually made them duller! I quickly learned the right way to do it and the same principal works with any iron, that needs to be sharpened. Occasionally, over the years I would see on a television show or movie, an actor’s depiction of an old farmer, sharpening an axe and I would be reminded of the way that I thought it should be done and how that most people think that it is done that way. Then, a few years ago, I applied this fact, of “how to truly sharpen an axe”, to this Scripture; And realized God’s method, of truly making my self sharper! ------------------------ Picture in your mind, a grinding wheel, in front of you; and your ready to sharpen your axe. Now, as your lowering the axe toward the wheel, with it’s edge away from you, is the wheel turning toward you or away from you. The way that seems to be more “logical” and “safe”, is for the wheel to be turning away from you. That is, with the wheel going in the same direction as the blade’s edge. This will make the blade duller and duller(building up more and more metal on the edge). But, if the wheel is turning against the sharp edge of the blade, it will be removing more and more metal, making the blade sharper and sharper. ------------------------ The way this applies to this scripture, is: If we only debate and discuss the Bible with people that we totally agree with, than we will get more and more assured, that we are right. But, if we discuss the Bible with Christians, that hold an apposing view of that subject or Doctrine, than it will give the Holy Spirit a chance to chip away at some of the wrong ideas that we have. I can somewhat understand, why some people would want to avoid these kinds of heated discussions, because it is not always fun, to be told that your opinion is wrong. But if it’s wrong, you(we), should be anxious to be corrected, so that we can be “rightly dividing the Word of truth”! ------------------------ I have yet to find an individual in my area, who is willing to have these kinds of discussions with me. Local pastors and friends that I know, do not want to get into the weeds, of any of those subjects, we are not in total agreement on. But, praise the Lord for the internet, where people feel more free to be truthful with you, when they think that you are wrong. And for forums like this, where you are able to say “almost” anything. I recall a few years ago, there was a site called “The fighting fundamentalists”. Where you could go and discuss ANY SUBJECT OR ISSUE. It was kind of like the old west. Sure, there may have been a lot of “un-Christlike responses”, but you had to be tough and stand your ground with Scripture. Nothing was ever said or done, to PROTECT anybodies feelings! Those were the good old days. I recall a “Reformed site”(Calvinist), that did not allow any statements or even questions, that would call into question the “Calvinist view of things”. I was kicked off almost immediately. But the problem with that was, it HURT the Spiritual Walk, of every true Christian that was on that site, because they are being PROTECTED from opposing views. ------------------------ Facing OPPOSING VIEWS, is good for us. Because it forces us to take a closer look at what we believe. There is another site, called “the Baptist Board”. I spent a lot of years there and it did some wonderful things in my life, because it is ran by and filled with, people who believe that being King James Only, is some incurable disease. All the years that I spent “defending the Bible” on that site, increased my faith in God’s Word a hundred fold. BUT, on a few occasions, I had to back off. On times when the onslaught of attacks became too pointed or when attacks started coming from people that I respected on that site, I would have to back off and stay away from that site. There were times that I felt like David, when he penned.... "But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped." (Psalms 73:2) When there were times, when I would start to even consider the possibility, that God’s Word could have any mistakes!!!! I knew that I needed to back off from these lies and get back into God’s Word and allow the LORD, to restore my faith! Yes, these were dangerous times; But they worked together for good, in my life. And who knows how many souls, were encouraged by my stand, to take a stand of their own.
  3. Donald

    Let God be True and Every Man a Liar

    Hello everyone I have been away for a while, but I am back and I have a new OP idea, ready to post, but I can’t seem to find anywhere to post it. This site used to have several areas to choose from, for posting new threads. I know this is the wrong format to ask this kind of a question, but I couldn’t find any place else to ask it. Thank you in advance, for your help.
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    Let God be True and Every Man a Liar

    Hello Jordan Kurecki My slant on this subject, is also not one of being anti-commentary, but rather pro-Bible. I recall years ago, while discussing this same issue with someone, they pointed out that the Ethiopian eunuch, when needing help understanding said, “How can I, [understand] except some man should guide me?” Well, this eunuch was unsaved; But when we get saved, God gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit and we no longer “need” man’s help....... “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 John 2:27) Now, don’t get me wrong; I am a BIG FAN of Matthew Henry and refer to him often. But I never forget that he was just a man. Over the year, I have found several “mistakes” in his interpretations; Especially in the area of eschatology. My general advice to young Christians in this area, is to stick with the “3 keys”, and stay away from commentaries for the most part. Learning to simply go to the LORD in prayer, when you have a questions. He has promised to answer our questions. By the way, the "3 keys"(to Spiritual growth), are Prayer, Bible study & Church attendance!
  5. Donald

    Let God be True and Every Man a Liar

    Well said brother Satan(& self), just like every good fisherman, has a tackle box filled with different attacks and temptations, for Christians of every level. This is one of those temptations for the more committed Christian, but yet not so committed to be in their Bible’s every day. One of my personal objectives for years has been, to not have any “preconceived ideas”, that override or twists, God’s Word. Your OP, is talking about the source of all “preconceived ideas”. We are convinced about something(by someone), before we come to the Bible; Then we twist the Scripture to make it fit into our idea. Being in our Bible(studying it), every day, will go a long way to deliver us from this trap, by revealing the truth to us, about what is going on in our mind.... "For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12) Notice, the last line... “....a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." As we study God’s Word every day, He reveals to us when we are allowing “preconceived ideas”, to override the truth of His Word!
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    Hi Who are "our enemies"?
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    I am not sure if this response is going to be on-topic with your OP, because I am going to be considering only “Christian denominations”. It seems to be a more pertinent question, as to why all born again believers, do not all hold, identical doctrinal views. I will try to make this as short as possible. In my discussions with other Christians from other Christian denominations over the years I have been asked this question several times. I remember what may be the very first time that I was asked this question as a pastor about 25 years ago. I was at a lumber yard buying some material to work on my house and the man that was assisting me ask me why there are so many different denominations if we all believe the same thing. Well, I pulled out the little Gideon Bible I carry in my back pocket and I laid it on a 2'-4' that was laying on a nearby table and said, “Here is the Bible and here are all the different Churches” and made a chopping motion with my hand on the board, along side my Bible. This is most likely the best illustration you can make, to answer this question. I said to him, "This first denomination(closest to the Bible), is the Baptist and from there out you have all the others, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian etc, etc". And I said, “What makes each of these denominations different from each other is how far away from the Bible they are”. Now recently I've been thinking about the subject of Baptist distinctives: and as I began to think about the doctrines that set the Baptist denomination apart from others I realized why we are different. And that is because we are not afraid to dig deep for deeper truths in God's word. The two examples that are uppermost in my mind at this moment are the doctrines of “eternal security” and “the priesthood of the believer”. As I began to articulate some of these Baptist doctrines to other it quickly became apparent that I was taking them into deeper waters and they were used to. Christian Denominations differ, because of how meticulously they study the Bible and accept the truths they find(in the same way that individual Christians differ). As for how the LORD feels about these differing views among Believers, this can be found in Romans 14:1-ff V.1 ¶ Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations. V.2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. V.3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.” (Romans 14:1-3) The Lord wants us all to get along with each other, because "He has received us", even though some of us may have a deeper understanding of God’s truth, than others do.
  8. Donald

    Donald Trump and America

    A verse of Scripture, about Donald Trump’s presidency..... Proverbs 28:2 “For the transgression of a land many [are] the princes thereof: but by a man of understanding [and] knowledge the state [thereof] shall be prolonged.” ------------------------ “For the transgression of a land” When a nation sins, by turning away from God, this causes the kind of public disorder that brought our country to the idolatry, profanity and immorality, that we find it in today. ------------------------ “many [are] the princes thereof:” The result of a Godless society, is many will be pretending to be in authority over us(the bureaucracy of little dictators that we have in Washington DC and all over the country); Causing the people to lose their national identity and to brake off into parties and factions. This is where we have come, with the Obama presidency; With more racism, division and political corruption than we have ever seen. ------------------------ “but by a man of understanding [and] knowledge” But wise leadership, can solve this problem by a man of understanding and in his right mind, who chooses wise counselors. Things are brought back into the right order again. And the right methods of healing the nation are put into place. ------------------------ “the state [thereof] shall be prolonged.” Therefore the nation will be strong again and be prolonged. Praise the LORD He gave us Donald Trump for a president. We should be praying for his success and safety every day.
  9. Donald

    Holy week

    Could it be, that the Holy Spirit, put this word into the heart of the translators? And I am not talking about Double Inspiration,
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    Holy week

    My OP was about the superstitious and extrabiblical celebrations of the so-called Holy week. But it has derailed into an argument about semantics. This is like arguing about that holiday in July. Some people call it “Independence day” while other people call it “the 4th of July”. It doesn’t matter, because it’s the same day. One is more descriptive than the other while the other one is more patriotic. But EVERYBODY knows what you are talking about. The Bottom line, is that THE BIBLE HAS NO MISTAKES!
  11. Donald

    Holy week

    Over the years, before I started posting here, there was another site(an SBC site), where I would post and find a lot of trouble, because of my views on the KJB. Every year I would post a thread something like this and would be attacked from every corner of the site. I am not allowed on that site any longer, so here is this years observation. (This is an edited copy of one of my posts to that site.) -------------------------------------------------- I have spoken up against “holy week” observances, as a purely “superstitious” practice, disguised as a religious practice in the past and have been amazed at how many of the “Christians” here, come out of the woodwork to jump down my throat for such sacrilege. Well the “lenten season” has come around again, but this year I have a new observation to add. The observation is, that almost 99% of these people who will come out in favor of the unbiblical recognition of “good Friday”, are also KJB haters. Now this has never surprised me, because of the fact that a love of the KJB is usually an indication of a love for the DETAILS of what God’s Word has to say. And any honest detailed look at the Scriptures will point out how truly unbiblical this whole idea of holy week is. But the new realization that I am adding this year is the fact that these same people who Hate the KJB, will be quick to point out the “so-called mistake”, in Acts 12:4..... “And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison, and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.” ------------------------ Now for sure, the word “Easter” here, is translated from the same GK word that means “Passover” and people are quick to jump on this as a reason not to read the KJB. While in the same breath, lifting Easter up as the star in the holy week’s crown. (You either love Easter or you hate Easter, make up your mind.) Now as I have said before; Although I do recognize Easter as a special day, I also celebrate easter every Lord’s day. And also I don’t see this translation in Acts 12:4, as the big mistake that others do, for 2 reasons. ➀ First, we aren’t Jews; We are Christians. And the man that had been put into prison in Acts 12, was a Christian who was being persecuted for his faith. Also the vast majority of those who will be reading the English Bible, will be Gentiles, Therefore it seems perfectly natural to set the precedent here, in that regard. ➁ Also, almost 100 years before the KJB used the word Easter in this verse, it had been used in Tyndale’s Bible. And a little over 200 years before the KJB, the Wycliffe Bible(the first English Bible), also used this word in Acts 12. ------------------------ I remember someone from that other site, telling me in years past that.... “Any Church that didn’t celebrate good Friday, needed to repent”. And as usual I am saying, that “Any Church that celebrates good Friday or any of those other Catholic holy week observances, needs a new pastor”.
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    New - The Discipling Church by David Cloud

    Hello wretched What I am getting at, is it is impossible to “force anyone to learn”. We can teach, until we are blue in the face(and I do), but it is not up to us, if they learn. As for Acts 11:26, of course it was the disciples at the Church in Antioch, that were being called “Christians”(little Christs), because those members at that Church, that were living for the Lord, looked like Christ. But what about those who were in disobedience to Christ. Even in the best of Churches, there are some who do not live for the Lord, like they should. And finally, the “concept” that I thought was lacking, was “using the wrong word”. If your talking about “teaching”, than use that word. Don’t use the word “student”. It’s just a slippery slope, that we should avoid. But I will agree with my brother 1611, this is not a fellowship breaker. Who knows, maybe I am wrong. I have not arrived yet. Although SALVATION does change people, we still retain our free will. And most professing Christians that I interact with, do not appear to be living for Christ, but I don’t through them under the bus.
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    New - The Discipling Church by David Cloud

    Hello again 1611 Thank you for so quickly responding to my post and for going to the horses mouth with your response. And I am looking forward to scrutinizing his response. But, I needed to quickly respond to the opening premise of his statement. It starts out by saying.... A TRUE BELIEVER IS A DISCIPLE OF CHRIST The reason this is not true, is because Biblical salvation, is by grace through faith and that not of ourselves.. And Jesus repeatedly stated, that we do not become disciples by Grace! Luke 14:26-27 26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. As much as we would like it to be the case, it isn’t. Not every true believer(in fact a very small percentage if true believers), take up their cross and follow Jesus. And this is just “one” example of Jesus sharing the qualifications of becoming a disciple. There are more. Now, there is a false teaching out there, called “Lordship Salvation”, that might state that this is the case, but maybe not. Now, I am back to reading your response....
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    New - The Discipling Church by David Cloud

    Hello 1611 My attitude about the subject of “Disciples”, has as much to do with the actual definition of the word “disciple” as it does with what the Bible says about it. At the heart of this issue is Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Years and years ago, I was reading a newsletter, that made the following statement.... “...just as Jesus told us to go forth and make disciples....” The trouble was, I could not remember Jesus ever saying this and the fact is HE DIDN’T say this. This statement is taken from other English versions of the Bible in Matthew 28:19. But “the Bible” does not make this statement. The fact is, the word disciple means “student”. Therefore the words disciplship, or discipling etc. do not exist. This is like saying “studenting”! The bigger FACT is, that God is the only one who can “make disciples”, because only God can put it into a person’s heart, to “want to be a student of Jesus”(like Mary sitting at Jesus’ feet). Therefore, I am turned away from this book, simply by the title. Although, we are to bend over backward to accommodate Christians, in the area of education, as both individuals and as Churches. Therefore, this may be a good book. But just as with the Bible itself, “words are important”. So if we are going to write a book about educating Christians in Church, we should not call it discipling. This is a step in the wrong direction.
  15. Donald

    Don’t worry

    Things to think about: Philippians 4:6-8 Because Satan is always attacking us, in our minds! =================================================================== V.6 -DON’T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING......BUT PRAY ABOUT IT- Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. =================================================================== V.7 -GOD’S PROMISED RESPONSE...... TO OUR PRAYERS- And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. =================================================================== Finally, brethren, V.8A -THE BOTTOM LINE....WHEN BATTLING WORRY- (Controlling our thoughts:) =================================================================== whatsoever things are true, V.8B -THINKING ABOUT.....THE THINGS THAT ARE TRUE- (John 14:6) =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] honest, V.8C -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE HONEST- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] just, V.8D -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE JUST- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] pure, V.8E -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE PURE- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] lovely, V.8F -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE LOVELY- =================================================================== whatsoever things [are] of good report; V.8G -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE OF GOOD REPORT- =================================================================== if [there be] any virtue, V.8H -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS THAT ARE MORALLY RIGHT- =================================================================== and if [there be] any praise, V.8I -THINKING ABOUT.....THINGS TO PRAISE THE LORD ABOUT- =================================================================== think on these things. V.8J -TAKING CONTROL OF OUR MIND- (Because this is where battles are won:) ===================================================================