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  1. If you prefer downloads (pdf, mobi, epub) please visit this page: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/what_about_steven_anderson.php
  2. Agree... I confess I am very opinionated on the subject because I was a member of a church that was pretty "normal" (please just accept that term) then the pastor made a very sharp turn suddenly to being "Local Church Only" in the extreme. And you will just have to trust me that it was extreme. And please do trust that I know what the Bible teaches about the church (the pillar and ground of the truth), but I do believe that people can sit at home, read their Bible, and be taught truth by the Holy Spirit. Not everything HAS to occur in the church setting.... You doing OK Bro. Jim? Been a while since we've talked. I'm very very busy and I find it difficult to post on the forum but I do watch..... :)
  3. I did say "It would really be nice to have all this work in the local church".... I agree with you that God's plan for this time is to work through the local church. My point was merely that God, can, however, work in other ways should He so choose. I personally believe He could raise up a group of people to properly establish (plant) a church. But the group I refer to say "No, only another church can plant a church. Only a church has the authority." But I say, God has the ultimate authority and if He wants to raise up a church to answer the prayer of a group of fervently praying people so they can establish a Biblical church then He can do that. The group I refer to would say no. If it doesn't come from a local church it has no authority and is illegitimate. I had someone tell me once that all truth comes through the local church and he said that people studying on their own outside of the church was "dangerous." That scares me.
  4. Well, I think anyone would agree that we all rejoice about the "good" done in his ministry... In my mind that is a given... But his teaching has not changed. False doctrine is to be rebuked. If I spouted false doctrine here you would rebuke me... you wouldn't ask how many people have been saved as a result of my preaching Christ. And then, even at that, you'd have to decide how many "salvations" it takes to "qualify" for non-rebuke. We have too many compromising pragmatists!
  5. And why is a preacher responsible for only the words he speaks in the pulpit?
  6. John, since it seems that there is no reason to believe what anyone says you might as well not reply to posts as I have no reason to believe that you believe what you say. Have a good day my friend.
  7. Below is from the book two posts above. That is not compromise? If not... please tell me what it is. That is merely one example of many many many. In 1993, Graham repeated this doctrine in an interview with David Frost. “And I think there is that hunger for God and people are living as best they know how according to the light that they have. Well, I think they’re in a separate category than people like Hitler and people who have just defied God, and shaken their fists at God. … I would say that God, being a God of mercy, we have to rest it right there, and say that God is a God of mercy and love, and how it happens, we don’t know” (The Charlotte Observer, Feb. 16, 1993).
  8. Other plain facts.. People Have Been led, Are Being led, and Will Be led into ecumenism by Billy Grahams own ecumenism... That is also fact. Ditto on his False Gospel teaching also...
  9. Free eBook... Billy Graham's Sad Disobedience.... available in pdf, mobi (Kindle) and ePub formats. Web page: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/billy_grahams_disobedience.php Direct pdf link: http://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/downloads/Billy_Grahams_Sad_Disobedience.pdf
  10. Please give the benefit of doubt here. They are most likely saying that they are keeping the lost low so that you may buy for yourself to give away. "Our Booklets are desinged to give away" they say.... not for them to give away to you. They say as much as 50% off (at quantities) so that makes less than a dollar each. You can't print much these days for less. I'm a little sensitive about this because I know for a fact that some ministries price and sell items below their cost (to produce them) just to get the info out there, yet some people still think they should give the stuff away for free. I know a ministry that produces a book for new believers and sells it for cost. Why? The author wants people to have and read the book. Yet, people often complain when it is excluded from site wide sales. So please don't be bugged.... give them the benefit of the doubt unless facts prove otherwise... (I don't know them personally... I'm just sayin'....)
  11. Perhaps his staff made a mistake when testing something new.... Some people don't realize some services are setup to generate automatic RSS...
  12. All link you to the original, this one at ICR.org. The report from this feed was written by Henry Morris III. The only ones that are "broken" (Link doesn't work) seem to always come from Lighthouse Trails Research and you can most usually find the report there with a simple search. Or better yet... you can subscribe to their RSS with your own Reader and everything will work (at least it does for me). RSS is a great tool for keeping up....
  13. hummm.. I've never heard the phrase like that. A quick search: 1Ti 1:17* Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2Ti 2:10* Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 1Pe 5:10* But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. Ps 24:7* Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Ps 24:9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Isa 60:19* The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Da 7:14* And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. 2Th 1:9* Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
  14. I see I was not very good at thanking you for the book references Tyndale.... so.. THANKS! Some I know about (and own)... other I didn't. So again, thanks.
  15. Butchers normally have very sharp knives but these "butchers" have dull knives! (I should say "A dull KNIFE"... if you catch the pun.)
  16. Kimber.... NICE! Very nice firearm!
  17. Brother Alan, In no way is the list hinting at any type of "fellowship." Bro. Cloud is not trying to create anything other than a list. It is simply a church directory which can be used or not used. I can tell you that he gets a LOT of communication from folks who appreciate the list. I can also tell you that a LOT of the churches do not conform to his "new" criteria for being listed. Sadly, he has no one to "research and edit" the list to find those that should be removed. It's all I can do (due to lack of time) to verify new ones and get them listed (at THEIR request). You say, "I felt that alhough I fill out doctrinal questionnaires from churches, I could not fill out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization (the O timothy Magazine), that would check out, and either approve or disapprove, a local church." The questionnaire is not to "approve" or "disapprove" OF any church. It's simply a tool to help ascertain if the church is appropriate for the goals set for the directory. And surely you agree he has the freedom to list whomever he wants. After all, EVERY contact is initiated by the church itself. They are asking to be listed. Very similar to an opt-in mail list. We are happy to remove any church at any time and for any reason. You mentioned "filling out a doctrinal questionnaire from an organization." Please note that Way of Life Literature is a local church ministry. It is operated under the direction and authority of Bethel Baptist Church of London, Ontario. Wilbert Unger is founder and pastor of Bethel Baptist. Also please note that Bro. Cloud is a missionary in SE Asia. See "About" page. The directory is a "no win" situation really. People seem to want it... yet Bro. Cloud doesn't want to send people to churches that use CCM and such. But there is a flip side too. The churches are "emerging" so quickly! I wouldn't be surprised if the directory is gone in the next few years..... So no... Bro. Cloud is not trying to "build his own fellowship of churches." You say "I am still not of the opinion of filling out the questionnaire, nor joining the fellowship the Bro. Cloud has started." That's really good because there is nothing to join! I wouldn't know what to join you to even if you asked.... A church directory is not a fellowship. Please consider: There are like minded churches who would like to be in the directory so that when people are on vacation they can have a 50/50 chance of finding a like minded church to worship in. That's all the directory is. Thanks very much for your thoughts... I do enjoy all the views and discussion here! P.S. You referenced "O Timothy." That is simply a monthly publication and you can find free copies HERE. It has nothing to do with the directory.
  18. Another example of what "soft separatism" leads to..... (the lead article). Challenge.... Make a note on your calendar and check where this church is 3-4 years from now. I pray I am wrong.
  19. Brother Markle... I don't agree 100% with Bro. Cloud on all points either. No one agrees with other's 100% and he always says that if you say you do you are not telling the truth. He also says that he does not agree with himself 100% of the time! Could we go email and discuss this further. I suspect you are fine to put on the directory (much closer to what he would want than most that are currently listed). But even if you don't care to be in the directory I would like to know more about your views. I'll send you my personal email address via PM.
  20. I'll check them all out (your books)... Well, small world! I do the website and mailings so I'm the one who posted that. But there is so much info I can't remember all the names and such. It's all I can do to keep up with Bro. Cloud. He doesn't waste one second of time. I see your church is not in the Way of Life church directory. You can fill out the questionnaire HERE if you are interested. But note that you must score perfect on the 30 questions to be listed (practically). He went really strict with the listings about two years ago. Most churches on the list wouldn't not qualify now.. We are trying to locate those and remove them but churches change faster that you can keep up. I am amazed at how many pastors outright lie on the questionnaire ust to get listed. (I catch their lie by checking their website and sometimes even Youtube videos, etc.) Do you happen to know Pastor Watson in Warren? I was there with Bro. Cloud a couple of years ago. Actually, I think I've been there twice.
  21. What's the title of your book? You got an eBook edition? -edit- ahh.... silly me! I see your "spirit of Revival" logo just purchased your Kindle edition..
  22. You cannot force people to learn but God can help you to motivate people to want to learn. Not throwing any stones at teachers here... I agree with you DaveW.... Even if the teacher is prepared well the people DO have to WANT to grow. I've had more than disappointment myself.... In his reports, Bro. Cloud sometimes mentions the lack of interest at his book table (at conferences, etc.) I've seen it myself. I also used to own and operate a bookstore and I did a few conferences. I quit pretty quickly because I learned that good doctrinal books just don't sell. I really hate to have to say that but it's true.
  23. I sometimes think that more attention is paid to "programs" and "slogans" and "family day" instead of spending the time providing Bible education for self (the pastor) and educating and warning the sheep. I once told a pastor that he should login to Facebook only if to see what his people were posting (it was not very honoring stuff). His reply was "Why would I want to do that? I don't want to get depressed. I want to be happy." I wondered at that moment if he was really called to pastor. Why would a shepherd be willing to let his sheep go astray just so he could be "happy" and have it easy??????? Why would a man take the easy way and provide "fluff" SS material instead of finding or developing a good Bible teaching program? etc......
  24. Thanks very much for the Book info... I appreciate it very much.
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