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    Retronatrix got a reaction from swathdiver in Montana Says Hi!   
    Totally forgot to do a more personal intro.
     
    I'm a 30 year old housewife, lots of hobbies and interests. Love Bible study,reading,cooking and gaming. Love making friends and having conversations and debates so I'm sure I'll fit in here a bit.
     
    I was Old Order Amish until it came time to take baptism.I was saved a few years later, winding up in an Adventist church with my husband before leaving for the local Baptist church.
     
    Really don't know what to say but that. lol.
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from KAT in Is A Mohawk Sin?   
    Just wanted to throw something out here:
     
    Growing up between two vastly different cultures ( Amish and English - loooong twisted story lol) I didn't understand a lot of the things about how my plain side lived and the other side of the family lived another. It was very confusing at such a young age. I don't remember much about what I asked or was confused about but what I do remember is my adopted parents trying their best to explain. Plus I got a chance at that early stage of life to understand what conviction and discipline was.
     
    Kids are better off with an honest "no" then a "yes" out of complacency,trust me.
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from KAT in Montana Says Hi!   
    Totally forgot to do a more personal intro.
     
    I'm a 30 year old housewife, lots of hobbies and interests. Love Bible study,reading,cooking and gaming. Love making friends and having conversations and debates so I'm sure I'll fit in here a bit.
     
    I was Old Order Amish until it came time to take baptism.I was saved a few years later, winding up in an Adventist church with my husband before leaving for the local Baptist church.
     
    Really don't know what to say but that. lol.
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from John81 in Is A Mohawk Sin?   
    Just wanted to throw something out here:
     
    Growing up between two vastly different cultures ( Amish and English - loooong twisted story lol) I didn't understand a lot of the things about how my plain side lived and the other side of the family lived another. It was very confusing at such a young age. I don't remember much about what I asked or was confused about but what I do remember is my adopted parents trying their best to explain. Plus I got a chance at that early stage of life to understand what conviction and discipline was.
     
    Kids are better off with an honest "no" then a "yes" out of complacency,trust me.
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    Retronatrix reacted to Ukulelemike in Women's Authority   
    God has established an order, within the family, and within the church. In both places, a man has been placed as the head.

    The requirements of a bishop, (pastor), as well as a deacon, is to be the 'husband of one wife'. Now, let's set aside the 'one wife' aspect, as that's being covered in another thread-but how about 'husband'? A woman cannot be a husband, no mater what lasw this crazy country may pass. Thus, these positions are assigned to men.

    Women cannot teach the men in the context of the assembly. However, a woman CAn teach a man outside the assembly, particularly in training new believers or giving the gospel, as we see Priscilla and Aquila did with Apollos. Though in such a case, it would be best if it was done in conjunction with their husband.

    I agree with Heartstrings though, in that women are very wise, as well, and can be of great help. My wife has helped me grow, both as a Christians and a pastor. She is a great help when we go to one of our church family's house each week for Bible study-I do the primary study, but she comes up with lots where I might miss something. But she agrees that in the church, she has no place doing such. .
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    Retronatrix reacted to JerryNumbers in Women's Authority   
    Clear examples? Real examples in a New Testament Church? No. Best follow the instructions given. Really, God has a good reason for this.


    1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


    1Pe 3:1 ¶ Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
    1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.


    Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
    Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    That they may teach the young women, not young men, & not old men.
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    Retronatrix reacted in The Eucharist (as practiced by the Roman Church)   
    The Eucharist (as practiced by the Roman Church)
    March 29, 2010

    This morning, during prayer, I was halted to consider a catechism. It may have had much to do with a recent celebration of the Lord’s Supper at my local church.

    We know the doctrine our Baptist churches teach concerning this ordinance instituted by our Lord, Jesus Christ. Most of us are familiar with Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22, teaching about the ordinance and both its symbolic and spiritual significance Also, John 6 teaching symbolic and spiritual significance of receiving Christ as Lord.

    We also know how the Roman Church takes this scripture, particularly John and perverts it to a man instituted mystical dogma. The RC would have you believe, what is referred to as transubstantiation, that as the priest holds up the bread and wine, God changes it to the literal body and blood of Christ. They say, although you cannot see any change, taste any change, or smell any change, nor is there any shape change. They believe the substance has changed.

    Side note: The priest calls Christ down from above to inhabit the wine and bread? Are they subliminally attempting to say the priest or their church has power over Christ?

    The change the RC supports is in “substance” a level of change God had not created on this earth. This would be a level of change not available for observation within God’s creation. I am not arguing against the spiritual and supernatural abilities of Christ, the Father, or Holy Spirit but, reasoning against creation acting beyond how God created it without some detectable change.

    Quoting Julie L (RC), from discussions at OB last year, “No, I have never tasted the bread and wine before the consecration. But it would taste the exact same. Transubstantiation means that the bread and wine maintain their shape, color, taste, smell, etc. But that the substance has changed. Jesus is now present within it. Some say Jesus is hidden in the Eucharist.”

    http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/a.html
    “…it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present.” - The Catechism of the Catholic Church: paragraph 1374

    How has God worked with creation in the past? God turned the Nile River into blood. However, in this miraculous transformation, the blood was observed to be blood by all. There were observable changes to appearance and composition which were recognized by God’s people and the Egyptians. Exodus 7:15-21.

    Now, the heart of my argument against the eucharist as performed in the Roman Church is this: that, when God miraculously changes His creation, it is observable to God’s people. When Jesus turned the water into wine, the change was observable. There was a recognizable change confirmed by the “governor.” John 2:1-11. When God provides change it is recognizable and it is self evident without further support. However, when men deceive or attempt deception, they must resort to distortion of truth and seek “support” for their “miracles.” When you lie, you must always create more lies and further fabrications to conceal the first lie.
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    Retronatrix reacted to JerryNumbers in Which Bible Version Can You Recommend?   
    And of course, the majority, when they miss, they do not support their churches missions expenses, so in effect, they do not support Jesus. I suppose they think when they miss, & or go on vacation, the expenses stops.

    In the past I have been guilty of that, realized I was wrong.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in Which Bible Version Can You Recommend?   
    People expect the pastor to be there all the time, especially when they themselves decide to attend services, but they see no problem with missing services when they feel like it.

    There are legitimate reasons for missing church, an illness, caring for a loved one; but for too many people today they consider vacation, a ballgame, a family cookout and many other non-emergency situations to be good excuses for missing church.
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    Retronatrix reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Which Bible Version Can You Recommend?   
    ESV is less reliable than the KJV.

    ESV contradicts the KJV in many verses.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism   
    That's true. If one preaches what the Bible says they should never apologize for that. Any time we put the desires or wishes of others above what the Bible says we have placed them in the place of God. Very dangerous ground to be upon!
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism   
    Unfortunately there are also other churches where some of the women pull the strings of the preacher so they get their way.
     
    Totally wrong, and a bad church to be in where the women want to take authority so they can have things their way and the preacher bows to those women rather than to God.
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    Retronatrix reacted to HappyChristian in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    Retro, do you have children?  If you do, it's vital to separate from her even more than you have.  You don't want to expose your children to her unhappiness.  If you don't, the degree to which you separate yourself from her is up to you and your hubby.  But...
     
    I can't say, "if it were me..." with authority because I have always had a wonderful relationship with my mother. But I can say, "if it were me..." then my hubby would put his foot down and not allow me to spend time with her when it causes anguish, like this obviously does.  I know from experience that he would because he has before.  There was an issue 24 years ago where he told me I had to tell my mom to stop (she and my dad were pressuring me to pressure my hubby to do something - this did not affect our relationship but it would have had it continued) or he would not allow me to talk to her anymore.  That shocked her because it was done out of genuine concern. She told my dad who went to their pastor. The pastor told him to mind his own business.  He did, problem solved.  
     
    Perhaps your hubby needs to do something like that.  He is your protector, and if your mother is bad as you portray, he needs to protect you from meanness. He can do it by telling your parents that from now on, the four of you will have dinner one night every other week, to be changed to one night a month if problems arise.  (or something like that)  And then stick to your guns.  Rest assured that the rest of the family know from whence the trouble is coming...
     
    Above all else, pray for your mother.  Pray that God will soften her heart and help her to see what she is doing. If she is saved, the Holy Spirit can convict her about that.  If she is not saved, pray the Holy Spirit convict her of her need of the Saviour.  Maybe even send her a card in the mail once in a while, just to tell her you love her.  
     
    There are other members of my family that would fit into the hard-to-manage category.  But the only thing I can do with them is be consistent in my life/testimony, be kind to them at all times (never mistake always being quiet with kindness - sometimes it is necessary to rebuke in a firm tone), and pray, pray, pray.  
     
    Don't just pray for your mom, though. Pray that God will work on you, too.  Always when there is an issue, we can point to the other person and say it's because they...and often it is.  But  there is something God wants to teach us about ourselves in any situation, as well, that will conform us more to the image of His Son.
     
    I don't know how much help that was.  I hope some.  And I'm sorry - will pray for you and yours.
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    Retronatrix reacted to KAT in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    Dear Retro,
      I myself went through the same thing- mine happened after I was saved and I was no longer her party buddy.  We, however,moved to another state from her so it was "easier". 
     
    The verse that God keeps giving me - because I am stubborn - is :
     
    Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
     
    It is a command- not a feeling or "if she does so-and-so, I will honour her".  That was the hardest thing I ever had (and am still having to do). 
     
    I bit my tongue so much, that I thought it would come off!  When we talked and she said very hurtful things about me, my Saviour, etc., I asked for God's Grace and He gave it to me-- God made it so that I did not take her bait and let her get me into an emotional mess (where she could see/ hear). 
     
    My prayer was that my mom would see Christ through me.  But the only way that she could is if I stepped aside (died to self) and allowed Christ to work.  That meant that I had to be a cleansed vessel that He could use.
     
    It was not easy and I cried so many times to God. Now (after about 5 years) we can visit in person, she asks me to pray for her, and she watches her tongue around my family when we visit each other. She even asked my husband to preach at my Dad's funeral.
     
    We still don't have a close Mother-daughter relationship and there are times I am still biting my tongue and praying for God's Grace, but.... 
     
    Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
     
    I hope I made sense, and I pray that you understand that you are not alone in this.
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    Retronatrix reacted to KAT in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    My retired USN husband didn't either. Me on the other hand....
     
    edited because I can't spell
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    Retronatrix reacted to 1Timothy115 in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    I can sympathize with all you have said. Except..."cuss like a sailor." Not all of us saved by grace retired sailors cussed.
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    Retronatrix reacted to swathdiver in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    As long as she's serving Satan, she'll do everything in her power (conscious of it or not) to destroy your family, to knock it off its foundation in Christ.  With someone like that you have to separate from them.  When you do have contact, do not put up with their shenanigans.  We have some relatives who behave similarly (don't all the lost?) and had to treat them that way until they slightly modified their behavior when we're around.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism   
    Stories similar to this is what I've heard too. Even from my own limited experience with a few SDA folks it seems that even the "better" SDA churches are cultish.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in What are you currently reading?   
    My youngest son has become interested in German so I've been teaching him some of the precious little I remember; which isn't much at all anymore.
     
    Currently reading Deuteronomy and the Sword of the Lord before I begin another book.
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from John81 in What are you currently reading?   
    Right now I'm reading an old collection of Billy Sunday's sermons and re-reading Created to be His Helpmeet. Teaching my husband some Deitsh out of my parallel Bible too, if that counts.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in Who Is The Head Of The Wife?   
    It's often the case the husband gets forgotten or left out because the whole idea of husband as head of the house, head over his wife, are viewed as archaic, degrading and even evil.

    Even in some churches which will acknowledge Ephesians 5:23 the idea that it actually applies in real life is often not considered.

    It's not good for someone of the opposite sex to become too close to ones wife...or husband for that matter. Such opens the door to potential problems, especially when that one of the opposite sex thinks it's okay to start coming to the house to visit the wife or stopping by where they work to visit them, or showing up in the park when they take their walk or whatever.

    As head of his wife and family, it's a husbands duty to protect them. Sometimes this means putting yourself between the outsider and your wife. Good Christian wives know this and appreciate it.

    The worlds way is to look down upon the husband for doing what is right. Shouts of oppressing women, and demands that women be allowed to make their own choices, of being insecure or hyper-jealous of other men, and often much worse are cast forth by the world.

    Those same charges fly when a father seeks to protect his daughter, or even his son, from potential danger and evil. The dad is called a Neanderthal and scolded about how he should just let his children make their own decisions.

    Considering the fallen nature of the world which is in state of rebellion it's no wonder the biblical ways to care for ones wife and children is assaulted from nearly every direction. Sad to say, this even occurs in some churches and Christian circles.

    On a personal note I say, "Well done Heartstrings!"
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from KAT in The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism   
    My husband and I were formerly SDA and after talking to other ex-Adventists it seems that each church is a little bit different. I can't speak for them all but we had bad experiences. Church doctrine itself changed drastically once we were baptised in to membership and questioning anything basically got me could-shouldered on and off for the time I was there. Eventually, we experienced many Biblical abuses.
     
    I was told by the preacher that if you cry during prayer it's because you have sin on your sould and aren't truly saved, for example. That it's ok to eat meat (part of the health message/food restrictions) but that people who do so are in danger of hell, even if they believe in the Christ and are saved. The preacher would say salvation is forever and after a few months, from pressure of some of the older members who questioned him, changed his stance and said that re-baptism was needed for salvation after sin. There's a much longer list of everything that went on, really.
     
    It came on suddenly, the doctrinal changes, and finally we left when the preacher stated that if a decision between Ellen White's writings or the Bible was needed that White took precedence, being more recent prophecy.
     
    I, for one, consider it a cult having seen it from the inside and knowing many people who've left the SDAs.
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    Retronatrix reacted to John81 in Gay Marriage Is Good Marriage........   
    We should certainly not accept the politically correct, nicey-nice, painted over terms the wicked use to cover their sins.

    Terms such as "gay", "pro-choice", "women's rights", and such things are code for sin and we shouldn't use those terms.
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    Retronatrix got a reaction from swathdiver in Dealing With A Nasty Mom. Any Suggestions?   
    I can't be the only woman out there dealing with hard-to-manage family.
     
    Basically, my mother thinks it's her job to meddle, cuss like a sailor, talk evil of everyone and everything then outright ridicule our home's foundation. In the middle of it all she expects me to constantly be around her at every second and If I don't then she lies and trys to start drama with other family just to gt my attention.
     
    My husband and I both have put our foot down in so many ways, asked her to leave our home, restricted time with her, confonted her in love and honesty.........everything we could think of. We both figured that her childish behavior would at least soften if she saw that we followed through with our telling her basically "behave or we can't come play" lol. Unfortunatly, neither being loving nor strict nor honest is helping.It's been over a year since she's moved to our town, a few blocks away,and she's still trying to convince us to move in nearer or even with her and my dad.
     
    I'm fine with the concept of loving from a distance, but I can't bring myself to make that distance further than it is already. I don't want to push her out of my life but can't stand being around someone who is untrustworthy and gets satisfation from trying to get me to cry.
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    Retronatrix reacted to irishman in The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism   
    I have had extensive dealings with the SDA's. When i was a young lad, I spent many summers up on my uncle's farm, and his wife tried to raise all of the 11 kids in the Adventist belief. I went to "Sabbath School" and even went to camp meeting down in Barrien Springs Michigan. I was a Roman Catholic by name only, and they tried their best to convert me. I heard H.M.S. Richards "preach" at the camp meeting (one of their "big guns"), but could not stomach the "vege-burgers" that they ate in place of meat. It seemed hypocritical to me that they ate vege-links and vege-burgers,and pretended that it was meat! The sect that i was exposed to did not wear jewelry either, but it was ok to make it out of agates that they collect on the roads! They sold it, but did not believe in wearing it! I even dated a SDA gal, but we could only go roller skating, and drive around and talk.

    Many years later, my wife's aunt and uncle became SDA's and gave me a book to read called the "Blue collar law" or something like that. By that time I ws saved, and threw the book in the garbage. I don't think they ever forgave me for that; to this day they do not speak to us. I do not see how a Christian can take the Holy Spirit which indwells him into an environment like that, and claim that some may be saved.

    Anyway, It is a cult, and furthermore, the Bible implies that a true Christian cannot be deceived by false Christs and doctrines. I said it "implies" that in Matthew 24:24
    It mat be impossible to deceive the elect. And I am not afraid to say that any person that believes you can lose your salvation is not saved; they are trusting in their own works, and living in fear. It is ridicules to say that one can enter into eternal life by grace, and then suddenly think it is up to him to keep it.

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