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Pastor Scott Markle

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  1. Brother AdamL, I am glad that you chose to present your response. It is well presented; however, it appears to have one underlying assumption that is wrong in relation to my own response above. I myself would NOT limit my response above just unto the present generation. I would have given the same answer for any generation. In fact, I believe that it is the same problem that is reported throughout Scripture for multiple different generations of Israel in the Old Testament and for various believers in the New Testament. (Note: If you will take notice, you will find in my above response various allusions to the very teaching of God's Holy Word on the matter.) On the other hand, I would agree that the scenario which you present above represents a way of falsehood within the Independent Baptist movement. Certainly this way of falsehood should be rejected. I myself have rejected it and find it spiritually offensive. However, in my own ministry experience the "Millenials" (and, for that matter, older generations as well) that have fallen away from faithfulness have done so because they are instead pursuing video games, social media, money accumulation, personal recreation, and other things of the world, not because they could not acquire Biblical answers to their questions. (Note: Since you do not know me personally, I really cannot prove whether I am a "shallow" or a sound teacher and leader. I can only refer you to that which I have posted here on Online Baptist. I suppose that is the only evidence that I can provide to you for whether I am able to give genuine Biblical answers to genuine questions.)
  2. Proverbs 1:7 -- "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." In my opinion, they are leaving because they lack the foundational motivation of heart to stay. They are more concerned about what pleases them than they are about what pleases God. They do not possess the fear and love of the Lord in their hearts. Rather, they possess the love of self and the world in their hearts. They are dull of hearing toward the teaching and preaching of God's Word because they do not possess a foundational fellowship with the God of the Word. They have entangled themselves with the riches, pleasures, and social connections of this life and world; and those things are choking out their desire for the Lord their God and His Holy Word. It is ALL about the priority of their hearts.
  3. Adult Sunday School -- The Life of Christ (using a chronological harmony of all four gospels, which will likely take us years to come) Sunday Morning Service -- Just finished a series entitled, "The Means for Perfecting Growth" (7 messages); returning to some messages on a series through Psalm 119 (which I have engaged off and on throughout multiple years in the past) Sunday Evening Service -- A series of messages from the end of Exodus 13 & through Exodus 14 concerning God's leading into trials. Then a lengthy series entitled, "Beware of Hypocrisy." (likely at least 14 messages) Wednesday Evening Service -- A slow study through Numbers (for the school year months, started years ago in Genesis, through Exodus & Leviticus) (Often venture away for Bible questions or circumstantial "rabbit trails" that present in the moment.) Monthly Faithful Men's Bible Study -- A very in depth, line by line study through 1 Peter (started 9.5 years ago, just entered chapter 4 - Is anyone who knows me surprised)
  4. Indeed, Matt, you reveal the answer in your response: 1. You feel that you NEED God and His Word, because the Lord and His Word are a priority in your living. Thus you also feel that you NEED a Biblically faithful church, its Biblically faithful edification, and its Biblically centered fellowship. 2. Others, however, hold the world and the things of the world as a priority. Thus they allow the world to entangle them and choke out their relationship with the Lord and His Word. They are thorny ground believers. As long as they remain entangled with the priority of this world, they cannot and will not bring forth spiritual fruit unto perfection. As long as they love this world and the things of this world, a true love of priority for the Lord is not in them. As long as they walk in such a loving friendship with this world through the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, they ARE walking at enmity with the Lord their God. There is NO middle ground with this matter. Remember, it is spiritually impossible to serve two opposing masters. Spiritually it is impossible to serve both the priority of our Lord and the priority of the world in our lives at the same time. We love the one (whichever one it is), and HATE the other. We hold to the one (whichever one it is), and DESPISE the other. No light matter spiritually according to the word usage of our Lord. (Sorry if I came on a little strong there. Having completed a book entitled, "In the World, Not of the World: The Believer's Relationship to the World," this subject is much on my mind at the moment.)
  5. Ahhh, but generally speaking this issue is not about attendance and the recognition of its importance. Rather, this issue is about commitment to the priority of the Lord in an individual's life. Generally you will find that those who are Sunday morning only attenders also have the Lord and His Word at a lower level of priority in their daily lives, and have the world and its "things" at a higher level of priority. In such cases, the attendance issue will not change until the priority of heart changes. This is the FOUNDATIONAL issue - the priority of their hearts. (Note: Sometimes the numbers difference is contributed by a ministry program difference, such as a bus ministry on Sunday morning, but not for the other services. Also, sometimes the Wednesday night lack is contributed by a work schedule difference, such as 2nd shift workers that are not affected on the weekends.)
  6. Nehemiah thought that the sabbath day began at sunset. (See Nehemiah 13:19) As far as the question in the original posting, I cannot answer. I have no such evidence to provide, nor do I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Friday. Rather, through precise Bible study I am convinced that our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Thursday.
  7. ???????????????? 1. Was the day of Pentecost on a Sunday, the first day of the week? 2. Were the believers and disciples of Christ gathered "with one accord in one place" on that day? 3. Did God the Father and God the Son Themselves hand-pick that day to send forth the baptism and empowerment of the Holy Spirit upon the body of Christ, the church?
  8. Brother "Baptist Bible Believer," Concerning King Saul, I would contend that his relationship with the Holy Spirit, about which you referenced, was NOT that of His regeneration, but that of His anointing for service (different, but similar, to the filling of the Holy Spirit for the New Testament believer). I would contend the King David was speaking concerning the same matter for his own life in Psalm 51. Furthermore, I would contend that such a work of the Holy Spirit could be lost by an Old Testament believer without that Old Testament believer losing his or her eternal security. Concerning Lot, most certainly I would consider him as an example of eternal security in spite of his personal unfaithfulness. Concerning your other question: I do not recall anyone by that name; however -- 1. My circle of relationships is fairly small (although sometimes I find that it is bigger than I had imagined). 2. Names and I do not get along well in my memory banks, so the problem may just be a memory problem on my part.
  9. Brother "Baptist Bible Believer," You made a similar comment earlier in this thread discussion, as follows: At the original time wherein I read that comment, I had a thought to express, but simply did not have the time to post it. Now I have that time, so here it is -- I believe that your perspective concerning the gospel is, not a greatly, but SLIGHTLY off center. The Old Testament believers most certainly were required to focus their faith upward and forward. However, the focus of their faith was NOT required to be upon an EVENT (i.e. the cross). Rather, the focus of their faith was required to be upon a PERSON, that is -- upon the Person of God's promised Messiah/Christ, and in relation to Him upon any information that God had revealed about Him by that point in time. In like manner, we New Testament believers are required to focus our faith upward and backward. However, the focus of our faith is also NOT required to be upon an EVENT (i.e. the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ). Rather, the focus of our faith is also required to be upon a Person, that is -- upon the Person of God's promised Messiah/Christ, and in relation to Him upon that information which God has revealed about Him. We are NOT saved through faith in the CROSS of Christ. Rather, we are saved through faith in the CHRIST of the cross and resurrection. Even so, although the divinely revealed information about the promised Messiah/Christ has progressively become more detailed over the history of Scriptural revelation, the opportunity to place faith in the PERSON of God's promised Messiah/Christ has EVER been available from the time of Adam and Eve's sin unto the present time. Yes, I also took note of a similar comment in one of your earlier posting, as follows: I myself would certainly acknowledge that the sealing of the Holy Spirit is an important aspect for the New Testament believer's eternal security. However, I would contend that the sealing of the Holy Spirit is NOT the only layer in the foundation of our eternal security, but that it is only one among a number of layers in the foundation of our eternal security. Furthermore, while I would acknowledge that the Old Testament believer did NOT possess the sealing of the indwelling Holy Spirit, I would contend that they did possess the various OTHER layers in the foundation of their eternal security. Consider one of those layers as follows: 1. Does the epistle to the Romans indicate that Old Testament justification and New Testament justification are the same before God? 2. Does the epistle to the Romans indicate that this justification before God is an eternal, unalterable justification? 3. Does the epistle to the Romans indicate that those who are justified before God thereby cannot be separated from the love of God by ANY force?
  10. The Purpose of the Old Testament Sabbath: 1. A day of rest through spiritual worship with and for the Lord. Exodus 20:9-10 -- "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates." 2. One day in every seven to be hallowed unto the Lord. Exodus 20:11 -- "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." 3. A sign between the Lord and the children of Israel concerning the Lord's sanctifying work upon them. Exodus 31:13 -- "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." 4. A sign and seal of the perpetual covenant between the Lord and the children of Israel. Exodus 31:16-17 -- Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." _________________________________________________ However, as a New Testament believer I am not a member of the Old Testament/Covenant. When our Lord Jesus Christ brought in the beginnings of the New Testament/Covenant, He did not intend simply to put a new patch upon the old. (See Matthew 9:16-17) Rather, He intended to establish a new body. (See Ephesians 2:11-22) This is the Biblical mystery concerning the New Testament church. (See Ephesians 3:1-12) Even so, the SHADOW of things to come are now past; and the New Testament body of Christ is now present. (See Colossians 2:16-17) For the children of Israel, the Sabbath day looks back to the creation, their deliverance from Egypt, and the sanctifying covenant of Sinai. For the New Testament believer, gathering on Sunday looks back to the resurrection of Christ, the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and the establishment of the New Testament body of Christ.
  11. 1. John 20:19 -- "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you." 2. Acts 2:1 -- "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." (Note: According to a Biblical understanding of schedule, the day of Pentecost was ALWAYS on the first day of the week, Sunday.) (2nd Note: This was the very day hand-picked by God the Father and God the Son Themselves to send forth the baptism and empowerment of the Holy Spirit upon the New Testament church, the body of Christ. In my own estimation, this FACT is the most significant New Testament reason for the assembling of a church body on Sunday.) 3. Acts 20:7 -- "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." 4. 1 Corinthians 16:2 -- "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." I am not aware of any New Testament passage which indicates that the primary purpose for the assembling together of a New Testament church is for the purposes of "rest and worship." Rather, the New Testament seems to emphasize that the primary purpose for the assembling together of a New Testament church is for edification and worship. Now, the Hebrew word "sabbath" means "rest" (not "seventh"); and the Hebrew Sabbath days were indeed for "REST and worship." However, this is NOT the case for the New Testament church. Indeed, those things were "a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (See Colossians 2:16-17) The shadow is now past; the body is now present. I myself have no desire to return unto the SHADOW of the Old Testament. Rather, I myself desire to walk in the present reality of the New Testament BODY.
  12. By the way, Job also had an eternal security in his own future resurrection to stand with God through the power of his Living Redeemer. (See Job 19:25-27)
  13. As Alan pointed out just above, this is incorrect. Colossians 2:16-17 states, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moons, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." This New Testament passage speaks concerning a series of subjects that existed under the Old Testament Law -- 1. Meat requirements. 2. Drink requirements. 3. Holyday requirements. 4. New moon (sacrifice) requirements. 5. Sabbath day requirements. This passage teaches us the following about these subjects that existed under the Old Testament Law -- 1. No New Testament believer is to be judged in relation to these matters. (Thus they are NOT a New Testament requirement.) 2. These Old Testament matters were only a SHADOW of things to come in the New Testament. (Thus they were to be replaced by the New Testament reality.) 3. The body of Christ (the church) has now come as the New Testament reality. (Thus the New Testament church, having come, has now replaced the Old Testament shadow.) ________________________________________________________ Concerning the first day of the week, Sunday -- 1. Our Lord Jesus Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week, Sunday, making it the day to represent the new life of the new covenant and of the New Testament church. 2. The first day of the week, Sunday, was the day directly chosen by the God the Father & God the Son upon which to send forth the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit and thereby to empower the New Testament church. (For the Day of Pentecost is and always has been on a Sunday.) 3. Acts 20:7 specifically mentions the first day of the week, Sunday, as the day "when the disciples [New Testament believers] came together to break bread [most likely a reference to the celebration of the Lord's Supper]." 4. In 1 Corinthians 16:2 the apostle Paul specifically instructed the New Testament church at Corinth to collect their financial offering "upon the first day of the week." 5. Remember that the New Testament church is built upon the foundation of the New Testament apostles and prophets, "Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone," not upon the Old Testament law and prophets.
  14. Hmmm. Well, I was saved . . . By receiving the Lord Jesus Christ through believing on His name. John 1:12 -- "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
  15. Some years ago I also acquired Ages Software material (approximately 16 different disks worth). However, it is my understanding (although not with 100% certainty) that Ages Software went out of business a few years back.
  16. In a fairly foundational sense, we either choose the discipline of standards for living or the desire of selfishness for living.
  17. Since Brother Alan specifically mentioned me, I will present the information for the website of the church over which the Holy Spirit has called me to pastor. To be clear - I pastor a small country church in a small village within the Thumb area of Michigan, nothing of popular importance. www.melvinbaptistchurch.com (Note: I struggled a bit with presenting this information because I do not desire to push myself forward in any manner. Please receive this information in the spirit with which it was delivered.)
  18. Having been engaged in a thorough line-by-line study of 1 Peter over the past number of years (for a monthly men's Bible study) - First, I would contend that 1 Peter 2:17 is the conclusion for the context of 1 Peter 2:13-17, concerning the our godly relationship toward ungodly government and society. Second, I would contend that 1 Peter 2:18 then begins the paragraph of 1 Peter 2:18-25. Third, I would contend that 1 Peter 2:18 provides specific instruction concerning a specific relationship (servants toward masters), but that 1 Peter 2:19-20 provides the GENERAL principle of godliness upon which the specific instruction of verse 18 is founded. Fourth, I would contend that 1 Peter 2:21-25 provides the primary example of godliness (in our Lord Jesus Christ) concerning the GENERAL principle of 1 Peter 2:19-20. Fifth, I would contend that 1 Peter 3:1-12 provides further specific instructions concerning further specific relationships (wives toward husbands, husbands toward wives, believers toward one another), with those instructions all being founded upon the same GENERAL principle of 1 Peter 2:19-20. (Note: This is grammatically signaled by the word "likewise" at the beginning of verse 1, the word "likewise" at the beginning of verse 7, and the word "finally" at the beginning of verse 8.) So, in more specific answer to your question - YES, I would contend that the GENERAL principle of godliness in 1 Peter 2:19-20 can and should be applied unto ALL human relationships.
  19. This raises a series of questions for me: 1. In this world, what group of people possess the greatest standard of righteousness for true justice? Answer - The faithful servants of the Lord. 2. In this world, what group of people possess the greatest wisdom concerning righteousness and justice? Answer - The faithful servants of the Lord. 3. In this world, what group of people serve as spiritual salt to combat the moral corruption of this world? Answer - The faithful servants of the Lord. 4. In this world, what group of people serve as spiritual light to combat the moral darkness of this world? Answer - The faithful servants of the Lord. If this is all true, why do faithful servants of the Lord work so hard to get out of jury duty (a duty and privilege of citizenship in this country that is not found in most other systems of government)? Do we really want the lost, immoral, unrighteous, foolish individuals of this world being the greatest influence upon our system of justice?
  20. Sister Rose, I still need to provide a corrective concerning the meaning of "spirit." However, before I do that, I wish to consider the meaning of faith is relation to the matter of the believer's security. Concerning the doctrine of the believer's security, those who hold to "eternal security" generally place their focus of faith upon the faithfulness of the GODHEAD. Whereas those who deny (or doubt) the position of "eternal security" generally place their focus upon the faithfulness of the individual believer. Now, the faithfulness of the Godhead is eternally unfailing; therefore, those who place their focus of faith therein find a sure and steadfast foundation for their assurance of security. However, the faithfulness of us believers is ever inconsistent; therefore, those who place their focus therein either begin to think more highly of their faithfulness than they ought to think, or begin to develop a growing uncertainty concerning their security. As such, those who hold to "eternal security" believe in salvation by God's grace through faith in Christ alone, and believe in security by God's own faithfulness and power alone. However, those who deny (or doubt) the position of "eternal security" may believe in salvation by God's grace through faith in Christ alone, but then believe in security through the believer's efforts of faithfulness. I myself definitely hold to "eternal security." Every passage within the New Testament wherein I see it taught focuses my faith, not upon my faithfulness (or lack thereof), but upon the eternally unfailing faithfulness of the Lord my God and Savior. I believe with conviction that as a believer in Christ I am eternally secure because HE is eternally faithful. Even if I fall away into a lifestyle wherein I no longer believe, "yet he abideth faithful: he CANNOT deny himself." (See 2 Timothy 2:13) Now, if God's Word really does provide us a promise (or promises) of our security, then it is our responsibility to believe the promise of God. In accord with the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:13, it is our responsibility to see afar off the fulfillment of that promise, to be persuaded concerning the fulfillment of that promise, to embrace the fulfillment of that promise, and to live our lives daily in accord with the reality of that promise. Yet that raises the question -- Does God's Word really provide us with a promise of the believer's security? The difficulty in answering this question is that the words "secure" or "security" are never used within the King James translation of the New Testament in relation to the believer's future. So then, we must ask -- What is the meaning of "the believer's security," and does God's Word make promise concerning this meaning simply with different terminology? Now, I do have an answer concerning this question. However, before I provide it, I would ask you, Sister Rose, to consider and communicate your understanding concerning the MEANING of the believer's security. What do YOU think it means?
  21. Well, I would also contend that the same spiritual gift may be given to different individuals at different levels of strength, and that multiple spiritual gifts may be given to the same individual with a mixture of different levels of strength for each gift (which I reference as an individual's "gift-mix").
  22. Actually, for most of the spiritual gifts, there is an element wherein all believers might engage the ability somewhat. However, those who possess that area of spiritual gift, when filled and empowered by the Holy Spirit for its usage, will have a special strength of ability in that area.
  23. For now I will go with what the clear teaching of the KJV Bible says in English within Romans 1:26-32. If God was referring to the sodomite in this passage, I image he would of put sodomite in Romans 1:26-32. LOL (Since HE did not put that word there, I suppose that I am not required to view the reprobate mind as applying to the sodomite then, right?) Indeed, I desire to follow only the clear teachings of Scripture.
  24. Indeed, Brother Kurecki, Brother Yabruf's first argument against a consideration of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 in this discussion is that within the King James translation of the New Testament it does not mention "homosexual" or "sodomite." IF that is a valid argument to invalidate a consideration of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, then consistency in the usage of that argument would also mean that ANY and ALL verses within the King James translation of the New Testament are invalidated for this discussion, because NONE of them mention "homosexual" or "sodomite." More specifically this would include Romans 1:26-32 in relation to the reprobate mind (as referenced in Romans 1:28). Within the King James translation this passage does not mention "homosexual" or "sodomite;" thus if the argument is valid, this passage is also invalidated for the discussion. Now, I myself do NOT believe that these passages should be invalidated from the discussion. Rather, I believe that the argument itself is an INVALID ARGUMENT. While none of these passages mention "homosexual" or "sodomite" within the King James translation, Romans 1:26-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 all provide a description of homosexual/sodomite behavior. Therefore, I would contend that all of these passages are indeed valid for the discussion. _______________________________________ To illustrate my point in the first paragraph above, allow me to use Brother Yabruf's own phrasing, as follows:

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