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  1. Peter the pope The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5–6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ’s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else. Some argue that in this passage there is a minor difference between the Greek term for Peter (Petros) and the term for rock (petra), yet they ignore the obvious explanation: petra, a feminine noun, has simply been modifed to have a masculine ending, since one would not refer to a man (Peter) as feminine. The change in the gender is purely for stylistic reasons. These critics also neglect the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and, as John 1:42 tells us, in everyday life he actually referred to Peter as Kepha or Cephas (depending on how it is transliterated). It is that term which is then translated into Greek as petros. Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: "You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church." The Church Fathers, those Christians closest to the apostles in time, culture, and theological background, clearly understood that Jesus promised to build the Church on Peter, as the following passages show. Tatian the Syrian "Simon Cephas answered and said, ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.’ Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah: flesh and blood has not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say unto thee also, that you are Cephas, and on this rock will I build my Church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it" (The Diatesseron 23 [A.D. 170]). Tertullian "Was anything withheld from the knowledge of Peter, who is called ‘the rock on which the Church would be built’ [Matt. 16:18] with the power of ‘loosing and binding in heaven and on earth’ [Matt. 16:19]?" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 22 [A.D. 200]). "[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. . . . What kind of man are you, subverting and changing what was the manifest intent of the Lord when he conferred this personally upon Peter? Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]). The Letter of Clement to James "Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]). The Clementine Homilies "[simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’ [Matt. 16:18]" (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221]). Origen "Look at [Peter], the great foundation of the Church, that most solid of rocks, upon whom Christ built the Church [Matt. 16:18]. And what does our Lord say to him? ‘Oh you of little faith,’ he says, ‘why do you doubt?’ [Matt. 14:31]" (Homilies on Exodus 5:4 [A.D. 248]). Cyprian of Carthage "The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]). "There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering" (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253]). "There [John 6:68–69] speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ. The people joined to the priest and the flock clinging to their shepherd are the Church. You ought to know, then, that the bishop is in the Church and the Church in the bishop, and if someone is not with the bishop, he is not in the Church. They vainly flatter themselves who creep up, not having peace with the priests of God, believing that they are secretly [i.e., invisibly] in communion with certain individuals. For the Church, which is one and Catholic, is not split nor divided, but it is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere one to another" (ibid., 66[69]:8). Firmilian "But what is his error . . . who does not remain on the foundation of the one Church which was founded upon the rock by Christ [Matt. 16:18], can be learned from this, which Christ said to Peter alone: ‘Whatever things you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:19]" (collected in Cyprian’s Letters74[75]:16 [A.D. 253]). "[Pope] Stephen . . . boasts of the place of his episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter, on whom the foundations of the Church were laid [Matt. 16:18]. . . . [Pope] Stephen . . . announces that he holds by succession the throne of Peter" (ibid., 74[75]:17).
  2. One gets to heaven I was saved 2000 years ago at the cross I was save when I was baptized I am saved with my daily actions in coroperation With the Grace I have been given I will be saved when christ comes again
  3. No it seems like you are echoing lds since you Deny haitorical facts No you can't learn math from a math book with out a teacher
  4. And I'll response with answer I'll give a bible verse and historical source One at a time please It will be hard to respond fast today since I am out promoting the Jesus and his church envangelizing
  5. I have been doing quite well to Sam on this web site I state historical facts Go to **Spam Link Removed** to learn the truth about the church that Jesus founded Amen And Mary pray for us
  6. While I would argue that the baptist religion is false for 7 reasons 1-there is no evedence of its theology for 1500 years after Christ 2-it is constantly developing and changing, the rapture was a tradition of man made up in the 1800's 3-once saved always saved promotes sin 4- bible alone isn't in the bible 5-faith alone isn't in the bible 6-baptist are not one in theology 7- baptist can not trace their roots to the apostles
  7. The first mass produced English bible of course The 1601 douay rhiems almost identical to the KJV 1611 except authorized by the church Jesus founded
  8. John said you would know if you ingested the Eucharist not osas John 6:53 King James Version (KJV) 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
  9. Linda according to the bible you are a heritic The entire 73 books Jesus founded a church not churches Matt. 16:18 Jesus said to follow a church not the bible 1 Tim 3:15 King James Version (KJV) 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
  10. Sam re wrote history Hillbilly USA isn't center of the universe According to the bible Rome is Acts 23:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
  11. Go to catholic answers web site to learn about the church that Jesus Christ founded Matt 16:18 Sola scriptora not in the bible The catholic church wrote the bible 1 Tim 3:15 King James Version (KJV) 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
  12. Linda How do you know your not a heretic Acording to the bible if you are controcepting (gen38) Or Living in a 2nd marriage (Luke 16:18) You are Commiting a mortal sin (1 John 5:16-17) Plus if you are not recieving the eucharist you do not have life in you (John 6:53)
  13. According to the bible Christ gave priests the power to forgive sin John 20:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
  14. I was saved on the cross I was saved when I was baptized I am being saved with my actions everyday And I pray to be saved when Christi come again Even Paul didn't have assurance of salvation Philippians 2:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
  15. All Dideche Polycarp Ignatous of Antioch The apostles creed Joesphus Clment of Rome Justin mryter St Thomas apostolic church of India Ethiopian orthodox church dead sea scrolls Codex sinicatus Zero zip proof of any baptist ideas before the edict of Milan catholic through and through Go to catholic.com to learn more
  16. Once saved always saved isn't in the bible Sola scriptora isn't in the bible Sola fieda isn't in the bible In Matt 16:18 Jesus said on Cephas I build my church No where did Jesus say make sure you read the bible or you won't be saved Because the catholic church wrote the bible
  17. If you controcept or are remarried you have committed a mortal sin
  18. According to the catholic church Except Jesus as your savior,
  19. So an lds has an equal gospel as a baptist ?? John...... It doesn't matter what church you go to
  20. Sam if you are remarried or controcepting you are breaking gods law
  21. I came here to look for historical evedence of your views and you have none The catholic church which I am not a member can back up everything they do with historical facts Catholic.com
  22. I assure you will all have judgement in the next 100 years so does it really matter
  23. Again no pius catholic would pray to Mary they would ask Mary to pray for them The bible is clear if we have faith we will have everlasting life so of course we are forbidden to contact the dead but Mary and the saint are alive with eternal life God bless:-) And Mary pray for them
  24. How does one get to heaven Have absolute faith in Christ to the best of the individual's ability and with absolute faith the good works will be shown (faith+works) James 2:24 What I mean as best of individuals ability is god will hold me more accountable than some one who can't read and write the bible
  25. Irishman go to catholic.com since you are baptized a catholic (eph 4:5) you are obligated to be part of the true church that Christ founded You are only one confession away from being truly saved John 20:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

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